Dictator93
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Cryegnine has default support for it actually (Crysis 1 was one of the first game s with native support for it). I am curious if it carries over to SC as mouse control.
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Star Citizen Pre-Alpha: 'Arena Commander' Dogfighting
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Cryegnine has default support for it actually (Crysis 1 was one of the first game s with native support for it). I am curious if it carries over to SC as mouse control.
Rex Griswold
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For anyone interested in the Vanguard/Bulldog long range fighter, concept art is available.
Personally, I think it looks fabulous and will be melting down my Freelancer, Gladius and M50 for it. I only wanted three ships anyway..
Personally, I think it looks fabulous and will be melting down my Freelancer, Gladius and M50 for it. I only wanted three ships anyway..
Dictator93
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Who is the manufacture?
Rex Griswold
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Aegis Dynamics.
Dictator93
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I was gonna say, it looks a lot like an aegis ship. I love that you can identify similarites among the various manufactures. :]
Rex Griswold
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I most certainly agree. It's a nice little touch of immersion that you don't expect to see very often. It's nice that it's supposedly a newer ship as opposed to the nearly 500 year old Retaliator design or the "nearing the end of its service life" Avenger design... even though they're both gorgeous looking ships.
Did you move your ship into a hangar slot on the website?
Zalusithix
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All the talk of this stuff has me looking into rigging up a custom multi-axis controller. I was already going to start modelling an offset shaft extension for the warthog stick this weekend. I need to stop looking into this stuff lol.
As far as similarities go, the segmented roll out turret armor reminds me of Anvil's Carrack cockpit armor.
That said, that beautiful, ugly bastard is mine come tomorrow.
Meh, the only thing I hate about Engineering at University is that I don't have time to even catch up with 10% of Star Citizen news. Seems like I'm on a kind of unwanted media blackout. Good thing is that in ten years I know how to make such space ships myself though (I wished).
Also, those are some bad layers Sandi's got. I like the bob though. Had to lol at the sneak peek, too.
Also, those are some bad layers Sandi's got. I like the bob though. Had to lol at the sneak peek, too
.Meh, the only thing I hate about Engineering at University is that I don't have time to even catch up with 10% of Star Citizen news. Seems like I'm on a kind of unwanted media blackout. Good thing is that in ten years I know how to make such space ships myself though (I wished).
Also, those are some bad layers Sandi's got. I like the bob though. Had to lol at the sneak peek, too
Bad thing is that You will be, probably, work so much that You will miss university and 'free' time there.
At least i'm in that situation ;p
ScepticMatt
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Can it run Star Citizen?
Shrike Alvaron
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God, those animations are just awesome. I can't watch ATV now, but it really looks like the guy they hired from the Skyguard Fabrications TNGS team worked on this. Really tempted to try and sell my LTI Super Hornet package for a Vanguard...
The video is much better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho9n0xaC3GkWe all should totally open a free flight lobby sometime
If you have a package and it's LTI don't bother. The Vanguard is being fast-tracked to flight ready in anticipation of SQ42 so a Cross-Chassis upgrade will be coming very soon.
It depends on what you originally backed... for the alpha pass you would have had to pledge for a ship package that had the alpha pass as part of the pledge package... plus, you have also not since "melted" the ship that was part of the original package. The alpha pass is tied to the ship package, not your account, which means that ship package has to remain intact right up until the alpha launch of the PU. The alpha pass also allows access to Arena Commander. If your ship package does not have an alpha pass, then you also have to purchase the $5 Arena Commander pass. This is the FAQ on the Alpha slots and AC pass.
With the latest patch v1.1, the AC module of the game is now called up by sitting in the "simpod" located somewhere on the hangar floor, usually near the holotable. Once the FPS shooter module drops, sitting in the simpod will allow the choice between either launching AC or the FPS module... I will just go ahead and guess they will have a $5 FPS pass at that time as well.
Zalusithix
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Or just hitting the escape key anywhere in the hanger. Quite a bit faster.
Zalusithix
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None as far as I can see. Probably just a pricing mistake on their part.
Zalusithix
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The Vanguard is available now! Now to wait for hanger ready status to see it in person...
I must say, I love the absolutely massive center mounted gimballed gatling gun (freaking S4 on a gimbal). A homage to the A10 indeed. The power plant is interesting in that it's 2xS2 making it one of the few dual power plant ships out there in addition to being a dual primary engine. Shields are a bit weak at S2, but I think it's more reliant on armor than shielding. (Nope, scratch that, apparently it'll have 2xS2 shield generators as well as 2xS2 power plants.) Actually now that S levels are relational to true size, and not a measure of functionality, comparison is useless. Still, redundancy is cool. I have no idea how those tracks are going to work though for the rear landing gears. The support structure goes through the track lol...
Looking at the holo viewer, the torpedo bays use a similar mechanism to the Retaliator. Each side has two rotating structures that switch in the new missile after the previous one is fired. Pretty neat to see the same Aegis tech being reused.
With those torpedoes, this is going to be brutal to anything unlucky enough to be caught dead nuts in front of it. Four lasers, one massive gatling gun, 2 of whatever you want to mount on the manned turret, up to 8 missiles, and 4 torpedos being able to be fired in one salvo. It'll be the bane of mid sized multi crew ships.
The Aurora "starter" package includes an Arena Commander pass... so you can jump right in and start flying. The Mustang Beta package does not include the Arena Commander pass, so you would be shut out of playing that unless you then also bought the $5 AC pass as well. So Aurora "starter" --> CCU --> Mustang Beta is a good deal.
My guess at the obvious price discrepancy is that the "starter" packages are priced to get as many people in the game so that they can "fly now"... then many will become hooked and will start eyeing other ships to pledge for ^_^
That, and the CCU functionality is something they offer for all flight ready ships, so other ship packages are priced with that in mind depending on the CCU path you can take. The Aurora CL is a $60 package, so the Mustang Beta --> CL is --> $5 CCU. (55 + 5 = 60)
The Mustang Beta is a sweet little ship, and as a small exploration craft, it will be able to travel through any sized jump point... which will be an added bonus when looking to take the shortest path between two points, rather than having to make multiple jumps to arrive at some destinations by the larger ships. Something not to be overlooked if you don't have much free time available for gaming.
**edit to add... I probably explained that CCU thing horribly. :\
**2nd edit... here's a good video tour of the Mustang Beta... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6_6VEjQvxY
**Final edit... yeah, don't read that, it's mostly all wrong and not even possible because I can't read. Just watch the video tour of the Mustang Beta and enjoy.
Zalusithix
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The LN Aurora isn't the AC starter package though. The MR is, and he was asking about the LN. Both would require the $5 extra for AC module bringing the Beta AC ready combo to $55. (LN vs MR) Going from the MR to the Beta is impossible. You have to go MR->Alpha->Beta. Alpha CCU is free, but the Beta CCU is $10 in which case it'll end up being the same price.
Still doesn't change the fact that the Beta package is cheaper to get via CCU from the LN than outright purchase if you don't care about or need the AC module. (Don't want access till beta, or buying packages for AI pilots.)
Thanks for the answers guys.
Yes, I was talking about the Aurora LN because I figured I could save $5 on the Mustang Beta that way*, but I wasn't really sure if there was a restriction to the CCUs or something else I was missing that explained the $5 difference. I understand AC access is not included in either package. I guess the price disparity is just an oversight on their part.
*The M Beta seems like the perfect starter ship for someone like me (exploration focused, solo play, sleek design), and it's my first choice atm, but I've been jumping back and forth for a while now and haven't made a decision yet.
Yes, I was talking about the Aurora LN because I figured I could save $5 on the Mustang Beta that way*, but I wasn't really sure if there was a restriction to the CCUs or something else I was missing that explained the $5 difference. I understand AC access is not included in either package. I guess the price disparity is just an oversight on their part.
*The M Beta seems like the perfect starter ship for someone like me (exploration focused, solo play, sleek design), and it's my first choice atm, but I've been jumping back and forth for a while now and haven't made a decision yet.
Dubbedinenglish
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Cross between F-14 and P-38.
Whoops... I'm sorry, I mis-read what was being asked... so thanks very much for clearing that up!!!
staticneuron
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Oh man.... my issues with self control. Melted a hanger, and the super hornet and got the vanguard for $35. At least it has LTI. I am not sure why I got it though because I didn't plan on blowing stuff up. But it is a sexy beast.
uhh.... yeah. I swear this is my last pledge for SC.
Why are you looking at me like that? You don't believe me?!?!
uhh.... yeah. I swear this is my last pledge for SC.
Why are you looking at me like that? You don't believe me?!?!
YES INKY!
Mustang Beta? Oh my sweet summer child. Prepare your anus wallet, for you are now hooked.
Zalusithix
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Hell, I was waiting the whole day for the thing to go on sale. Refreshed the page probably a hundred times at work lol.
There's no end to this rabbit hole, and you know it!
The Vanguard was the last of the known unreleased ships that I had any real interest in, so I should be relatively safe from here on out pledge wise. I reserve the right to crack and get the Gladius or Redeemer in the future though. I have no need for them (already have 9 ships now), but these damn things are like Pokemon. Really expensive Pokemon.
Thankfully the 'Tali is going back off sale within the next couple days. Can't be tempted by what can't be bought!
Rex Griswold
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The funniest thing to me is all the crying on the official forum about that. "It looks too much like a jet/plane, it should look like this picture of a wedge with guns and a cockpit".
Absolutely beautiful ship(like everything else from Aegis Dynamics) that I'm sure will keep me on the radar of people looking for an escort. I couldn't have bought it harder. Now I'm just waiting on Avenger variants..
I'm still playing with the idea of melting my Super Hornet for a Gladius, but I really don't think I will, even with the nerfs it still chews up most of its competition.
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Wow. I hope you got a good lawyer m8.
I won't need those when I fly by in my 890 Jump on my way to my 57th holiday to the Solsquaria nebula while my private army squad cleans up the mess.
I don't think the Vanguard will be good at escorting anything, except in the niche role of intercepting targets at long range. It's not supposed to be very maneuverable, just very fast and very loaded with munitions. I mean maybe you'll be hired to be that initial BARCAP, but your employer still probably will want some more maneuverable escorts flying alongside the VIP in case anything gets through your missile screen.
and that's where me and my Hornet or Avenger come in =P
Zalusithix
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What you have escort you depends on what you're escorting and the threat you expect to face. Escorts wont even necessarily be monolithic in makeup. Large escorts are going to be comprised of both light and heavy fighters. Alternatively if you're escorting something deep into space, a light fighter wont even be an option due to fuel constraints.
At any rate, the Vanguard likely wont be a great escort vs small nimble fighters given the comparatively lesser agility and mostly forward facing weaponry, but it should be a good counter to the mid sized multi-crew ships that'll be abundant in the PU. Those larger ships have more armor and shielding along with many turrets and small missiles which work well against multiple smaller threats. (See Connie vs multiple Hornet demo.) If all you had was light fighters escorting you and a couple of those ships showed up, you'd be screwed. The Vanguard, however, is heavily armored itself and is capable of delivering massive damage to whatever is in front of it. I expect a Vanguard equipped with torpedoes will be capable of ripping a Connie apart by itself. Come in all guns blazing to open her up and then stuff a few torpedoes in the wound.
It's all conjecture though until we get multi-crew ships in AC and all the other flight/combat systems in place. We need armor and ship g-forces working. Without those it's hard to set the baseline of how exactly the counters are going to fall. Armor is needed to further differentiate between the ship sizes when it comes to durability, and ship g-forces are needed to limit the maneuverability of the larger ships to balance that increased durability.
We also need the updated ship information for pretty much everything. It's hard to get a feeling for how ships compare when so many ships are using the outdated sizing method.
Rex Griswold
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Want to start a fighter escort company?
I think that's one of the better things about the ships in this game, there doesn't seem to a "ship of all trades", you can make your ships fit different roles than they were intended, but a Hornet won't be going out into deeper space and a Vanguard won't be zipping through smaller fighters.
Zalusithix
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It's obviously not the focus here tech wise, but it's rather disjointed to have such realistic eyeballs, and and yet have no eyelashes. Then there's the low resolution paint on eyebrows above them. It's like you took human eyes and shoved them into a mannequin. Kind of creepy to look at.
Because eyes are from CryEngine Ryse tech.
Zalusithix
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Nah, there's enough Aegis ships for the time being (8!), and we already have an excellent dedicated exploration ship in the Carrack. Other manufacturers need their portfolio filled out more. Most others only have about 3 ships or less if we cut out the variants. Variants are fine and all, but they still look and act mostly the same. The PU will need more diversification of ship designs - without them all being Aegis.
Nice. Why no eyelashes tho?!
Ryse doesn't have eyelashes?
EDIT: I guess it did. So they just imported the eyeballs alone?!
Dictator93
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Because!!!!!!!!!!
pre-alpha
I'll give them a pass for now. But no eye lashes in squadron 42 by end of this year = no buy!
Eyes are practically identical across the board, so its element thats included in CryEngine SDK, its not really something You create seperately for every character.Ryse doesn't have eyelashes?
EDIT: I guess it did. So they just important the eyeballs alone?!
Eye lashes etc are part of the model You want to create, so they depend on the artists. Star Citizen has placeholders models for characters, so they dont have everything they should, in the quality they should have
About Ryse, this is good shot for showing faces. Expect better from SC
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