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Star Fox Zero & Guard - Review Thread
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Maybe that's not the best way to word it, but ultimately what I'd like is to have a bigger game. Presentation values, more levels, more interesting levels.
It's not that the Rail Shooter hasn't been done well recently, it's more that Star Fox just doesn't seem that interesting compared to its predecessor. What I should have said is that Star Fox fails to bring Star Fox into 2016. It feels real dated. As others have pointed out, there's a lot of rail shooters that have done interesting things in the time since 64. Zero doesn't do any of that.
Even if you dig the controls, I honestly don't think they bring a whole lot to the experience.
Nintendogs was probably the start of it, sure, but I think the real indicator of Famitsu's decline was when they gave Peace Walker all 10s and the same issue had an ad with the EIC playing it.
They did not even try to hide it.
My understanding is that at this point it is generally accepted in Japan that Famitsu reviews are just advertisements and should not be taken as real criticism.
Battlechili
Banned
I don't really trust critic reviews very much and personally think the game looks really cool. I like how smooth the transitioning between Walker and Arwing is, and the general speed of the game seems incredibly fast and well designed.
How is not being perceived non-critically? As in, how are random fans finding the new game?
How is not being perceived non-critically? As in, how are random fans finding the new game?
I mean...Star Fox 64 was an hour long game and Assault was about that length. Was anyone really expecting this to be all that lengthy?
Crimsonclaw111
Member
They do want another 64. A game like 64 without garbage gimmicks, without on foot sections that play like ass, without forced touch screen controls, and with traditional arcade game play.
Zero could've been that but of course decided forcing the game pad was a great idea.
Well, I ordered this last night. I had gotten to the point where I wanted to try it despite the control scheme and wanted some straight forward action game to play. I bought it fully aware that the controls might kill it for me and that at most it'd be light fun for me. I hope it is the latter.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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OrbitalBeard
Member
Man, that GameXplain review is really positive, which surprised me, considering how down Andre was on the game initially.
Was Star Fox ever longer than that? It's an arcade-style game that you are supposed to replay a lot. It might be a style of game that has fallen completely out of fashion, though. (It's also the reason I never was much into the Star Fox games.)
TylerDurden4321
Member
Is it actually $60 in the US?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
A lot of times it seems games journalists lack actual gaming skill and perspective but make up for it with contrived sensational writing flair as if they were writing a term paper after swallowing a thesaurus. I know both is possible but I'd rather read a review from a gamer than read one by an English major.
So Star Fox Guard is scoring higher than Star Fox Zero? Interesting.
I hope I'm on the positive side of these reviews. I've been looking forward to the game, but I always feel a sense of dread when I think about how lame the story part of the game is going to be. I hate that it's a rehash of Star Fox 64 AGAIN (it feels like the 3DS remake just came out, particularly since I only played it a couple years ago). It could've been any other story, however simplistic, and I would've liked the idea more.
I hate that Star Fox can't shake free of Star Fox 64. The story is a huge drawback for me. That said, looking forward to it for the gameplay at least.
I hope I'm on the positive side of these reviews. I've been looking forward to the game, but I always feel a sense of dread when I think about how lame the story part of the game is going to be. I hate that it's a rehash of Star Fox 64 AGAIN (it feels like the 3DS remake just came out, particularly since I only played it a couple years ago). It could've been any other story, however simplistic, and I would've liked the idea more.
I hate that Star Fox can't shake free of Star Fox 64. The story is a huge drawback for me. That said, looking forward to it for the gameplay at least.
entremet
Member
Yeah. We need tons of cutscenes and filler fetch quests to be a GOTY contender these days.
Another review thread, another thread where people try to disavow reviews they don't want to agree with by purely talking down about the person reviewing the game or the site it's reviewed on.
Let's face it folks, you won't really know if you like this or not until you play it.
Let's face it folks, you won't really know if you like this or not until you play it.
Yeah, it seems his opinion radically changed once he "got" the controls.
Vampirolol
Member
Except it's not sub 5hr.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Do you even own a Wii U??? I know you didn't before but were president of the 3DS fan club.
I mean, I don't need Star Fox to even be a GOTY contender, but I think cutscenes and a bit more depth to the story can help it a lot. It's what made Star Fox Assault great, IMO. It's a shame so many let the on-foot missions ruin that game for them. It's my favourite Star Fox, personally.
Spieler Eins
Member
These crazy people thinking that Nintendo could apply some kind of evolution to their franchises.
I have had a Wii U for a while now.
Did you not see my thread about the Splatoon and MK8 bundle?
gamerMan
Member
From the start, I never expected this to review well as the control scheme wasn't conventional. I've never been the biggest fan of Star Fox. The on rails sections do look dated. I think the best elements are the boss fight and I think this is where Star Fox Zero delivers. I don't know if we will ever see another game in the series.
There's one boss battle that made me want to throw my controller at the TV. Some of the bosses in this are really obtuse.
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Deleted member 126221
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I disagree that evolution means bloating. Some genres are more suited to short playtimes and replayability and that's perfectly fine.
This. A game where you can play an entire start-to-finish campaign in one sitting is amazing and is something sorely needed in the world of 100 hour campaigns.
The goal of Star Fox is to play the same missions over and over until you aren't even consciously going "If I wait one and a half secons longer I can take out all five of these guys with one charge shot...any sooner or later and I only get three of them," you just do it. I can memorize 64's 16 missions to that level of depth, and Zero's bigger but not horrifyingly so. If there were 400 missions, forget about it, no.
Star Fox should give you the same drive for mastery as wanting to beat an arcade cabinet on one quarter. Length will only hurt uour quest for mastery.
Yup or £38.99, you gotta be out of your mind to pay that.
Complicated
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They haven't made a Star Fox game for consoles in forever. I don't think it's outrageous to expect the series to improve or modernize in all this time.
Sounds Souls-like. Count me in.
DecoReturns
Member
Wasn't shocking was it?
Although to be fair, you've played the game and have first hand experience, people that are discrediting bad reviews might end up having the same opinions like Those reviews, just haven't had a chance to realize it. Ironically
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
The bird one? Looked tough in some of the videos
As a gigantic souls fan, I can say it's not souls like. It's just really lame design coupled with camera issues thanks to the gamepad.
Nah, that one's pretty inoffensive. It was the Gorilla and the Alternate route UFO thing. Any time the game wants you to fly toward a moving, shooting object while using the First Person mode to aim feels really, really bad.
but people don't want star fox to evolve .
i think the issue is that it feels or appears to be shallow, that there isnt much "depth" to it
not that i particularly agree with that sentiment but i think its a valid complaint tbh
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Deleted member 126221
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I see this a lot about Starfox Zero: what would such an "evolution" implies exactly?
Nintendo did try evolving Star Fox. It didn't turn out the greatest, but reaction to that means people were begging for Nintendo return to form.
Just played the first two levels. Controls are fine. I got used to them easily and I never played that much splatoon using gyro. Also it's balls to the wall cheesey fun. Just like starfox should be. That's one thing most reviewers don't seem to realise. It is mean to be like that. As for campaign length well yeah, it meant to be like a space opera film , a two to three hour rollercoaster ride of action and fun. Then you replay it to get high scores and alternate routes etc. It's starfox for fucks sake!
Also the music is damn epic. Borderline Wonderful 101 in epicness.
Also the music is damn epic. Borderline Wonderful 101 in epicness.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Where's the incentive though??? It's a known but very niche Nintendo IP. I'm actually surprised they made another one. Miyamoto was probably looking at a list of all unused IPs to see what game could use the Gamepad and this one rang a bell.
Spieler Eins
Member
There can be other aspects that add value. Being lenghtier also doesn't mean bloat. But rehashing two decade old concepts with shitty controls certainly isn't the way to keep modern standards. This should have at best been a downloadable title. If they do blatant rehashes with clearly no budget, then they should at least place them where they belong - alongside the likes of Pacman CE and others for a low price.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Has it? I'm sure I'm missing some stuff but here's a list of some high quality Star Fox-style rail shooters with their release dates.
Star Fox - 1993
Panzer Dragoon - 1995
Panzer Dragoon Zwei - 1996
Star Fox 64 - 1997
Rez - 2002
Panzer Dragoon Orta - 2003
Sin & Punishment: Star Successor - 2010
Child of Eden - 2011
Kid Icarus 3DS - 2012
This particular sub-genre isn't exactly overflowing with new releases these days.
The SNES and N64 games sold gangbusters. It's really been the mismanagement of the IP and divisive hardware that's plagued the franchise.
A lot of people are talking about an "evolution" vs. a "return to form".
Honestly, they could have done either, but they ended up doing neither. The game is neither a great return to classic star fox nor a great step forward from what's been established. I think that had they done one or the other, I would have enjoyed it more. If it was a crazy departure that really owned up to what it was doing rather than clinging to the past, I would have been down as long as the design was good. If it was a straight remix of Star Fox 64 but with bigger levels, more challenge, and more straightforward rail shooting, I also could have gone for some of that.
Ultimately, what we got was kind of in-between. It's not a broken game, and I would certainly never call it a bad game, but just disappointing and largely mediocre.
Anyway, I'm sure to fall on the more negative side. Judging from the diverse reviews, I bet a lot of you will find this game to be a blast.
Honestly, they could have done either, but they ended up doing neither. The game is neither a great return to classic star fox nor a great step forward from what's been established. I think that had they done one or the other, I would have enjoyed it more. If it was a crazy departure that really owned up to what it was doing rather than clinging to the past, I would have been down as long as the design was good. If it was a straight remix of Star Fox 64 but with bigger levels, more challenge, and more straightforward rail shooting, I also could have gone for some of that.
Ultimately, what we got was kind of in-between. It's not a broken game, and I would certainly never call it a bad game, but just disappointing and largely mediocre.
Anyway, I'm sure to fall on the more negative side. Judging from the diverse reviews, I bet a lot of you will find this game to be a blast.
fwiw, yeah, I'm fine with Gies telling me he didn't like it enough to finish it. I'd rather have honest and possibly weakly-substantiated criticism than grandstanding like "rail shooters aren't a thing in 2016".