kevboard
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I doubt it. the game is really badly optimised, so you need a CPU to brute force it to 120fps, and even on PS5 it's not a locked 120fps, and can drop to near 1080p.
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I doubt it. the game is really badly optimised, so you need a CPU to brute force it to 120fps, and even on PS5 it's not a locked 120fps, and can drop to near 1080p.
kevboard
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yes it is.
I don't. it doesn't matter what kind of console the Switch 2 is, so why even bring it up?
the fact of the matter is that both CPU and Raster performance of the Switch 2 is closer to PS4 than Series S. arguing otherwise is quite literal denying reality as this has been demonstrated now in many games.
it's 100% accurate. the advantages the Switch 2 has over the PS4 are mainly GPU feature related. if someone made a console that 100% matched the raster and CPU performance of the PS4, but with a GPU that supports ML reconstruction and RT acceleration, it would be near identical to the Switch 2, positioned somewhere slightly below the docked performance of it.
Lokaum D+
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i dont expect nothing, i like how some of you guys loves to compare the SW2 with PS4pro and XSS ( two home consoles ) but when we talk about Switch 2 shortcoming you guys go into this hybrid argument to shield Nintendo hardware weakness. Framerate is more a metter of tolerance, yes, there is games that have great frame pacing and plays Ok on 30fps, for me it runs like shit, and 99% of my time i try to play at 60fps or above.
i agree, but that doesn't shield SW2 games or hardware from criticism, like i said above, Switch fans loves to shit on XSS and PS4pro when a game runs better on Nintendo hardware, but anytime someone tries to criticize SW2 shortcomings they throw the argument of "what do you expect from a hybrid system" like it was a shield, it a U$450 piece of hardware, expesive as a PS5 ffs.
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Baemono
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S0ULZB0URNE
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In 2025 I expect performance options for games like this.
Games don't feel fine at 30fps.
Kacho
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I have no problem with you being critical about Switch 2. I find the career defenders obnoxious and that goes for any system. Discussing a systems shortcomings is always fair game.
Lokaum D+
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Sbox Series X is the future of MS
EDIT: Oh you changed it, now it doesn't make any sense
ecosse_011172
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It's not complicated.
When Digital Foundry play FF7 Remake (unfinished) and say that it plays and looks better than on PS4, i.e towards PS4Pro territory we're comparing like with like.
When we compare a Switch 2 game with a full fat PS5 game, it cannot come as close because it's a hybrid, it's not comparing like with like.
Lokaum D+
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well, i m not DF, i m a consumer and as one imo you shouldn't have special treatment because you choose to release a weak ass hardware that cost the same as a PS5, this is giving a pass for that company for doing less than the other ones, just cause you like this one most.
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ecosse_011172
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What special treatment?
Please specify the hardware Nintendo should have went with.
Baemono
Gold Member
I agree. Especially through the PS Portal, 30fps feels like 15. If I wanted to play 15fps games, I'd use my OG Switch
Lokaum D+
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There's no point arguing with you, we have far different opinions on this to reach a consensus.
But i ll answer you that i dont care about handheld, for the value of U$450 i would expect a hardware powerful as a PS5, a traditional Nintendo home console, the power to play any multiplat at "high" fidelity/frames and Nintendo exclusives would be the perfect scenario for me and for most over here, it would be the console to break Sony and MS imo.
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Toots
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you really are the Toby to my Michael Scott
(Also i'd be lying if i said i did not find your specific holier-than-thou attitude very entertaining
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
That PS5 doesn't come with a screen, battery and physical media reader.
ecosse_011172
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No, you just want to shitpost but not discuss anything in a reasonable manner.
It cannot possible be at the power level of a PS5 AND a hybrid, the USP is that it's a hybrid which allows Nintendo to produce more software than before.
I don't care about handheld either, I'd rather a beast of a home console but that doesn't mean the Switch 2 is a shit hybrid console, it's not, it's a great one.
So, again, please specify the hardware Nintendo should have used for their hybrid not to be shit.
Unless your point is that they should have made another home console instead, I'll refer you to the sales of the Switch compared to Gamecube, Wii U etc.
Lokaum D+
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that must really drove the cost of console to sky high nowadays, imagine that, a 1080p LCD screen in 2025, my dream is that phones one day ll reach this lvl of high tech standards.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Not worse than screens that will have burn-in.
Lokaum D+
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thats why i said there is no arguing with you, you asked me "Please specify the hardware Nintendo should have went with?" i just said " I DONT CARE ABOUT HANDHELD, I PREFER TRADITIONAL HOME CONSOLES, FOR U$450 A CONSOLE POWERFUL AS A PS5" and your response is this ?
see ? there is no point in arguing with you and you just proved my point, but i wonder why did you skiped Wii on your home console sales argument.
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ecosse_011172
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Mate, you know as well as I do that Wii was far, far more underpowered than Switch ever could be and it was a one-off saleswise, it was anything but a traditional home console.
Lokaum D+
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twist as much as you want, it was a home console, a gimmick one ? Yes, also Wii was the beginning of Nintendo pursuit of gimmick consoles instead of powerful ones, but was home console nonetheless.
Gamecube and WiiU failure is 100% Nintendo fault and not consumer.
see, i have no problem with you, but you ll defend Nintendo till your last breath and i as a consumer ll criticize them as i would criticize any other company out there, thats why we arguing is just a waste of time.
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Mozza
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Nintendo will never release dedicated home console because it would never break Sony or Microsoft. They would be lucky to sell around 50 million in a generation. The hybrid console route is the best bet for them.
The Gamecube and Wii U more than demonstrated this...
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ecosse_011172
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Not at all, I criticise when they deserve criticism and defend when criticism is unfair, I have all 3 consoles and a Gaming PC, I'm not some fanboy.
However, repeatedly calling the Switch 2 hardware "shit" when you can't say how it would be humanly possible to make a better hybrid console is pointless, especially when you are holding up Wii as an example (20x weaker than a PS3) making it more ridiculous.
I'll spell it out, you not wanting a hybrid does not make it shit hardware.
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Kataploom
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You're just expecting what has never been promised, besides the form factor greatly justifies the console power. If you feel it isn't worth it, just don't buy it but it doesn't mean it isn't worthy per se as many people love it and are happy with it, me included and I mainly play on PC.
Lokaum D+
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i desagree, a Nintendo home console powerful as a Sony MS machine with Nintendo exclusives as the cherry on top would a 100% hurt Sony and MS sales.
ecosse_011172
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Lokaum D+
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again Gamecube failure is 100% Nintendo fault and you said you are not a Nintendo shill XDLike the Gamecube?
Mate, take the L.
both Gamecube and WiiU failure are Nintendo fault, but yeah, they ll probably never release a dedicated home console anymore.
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Deerock71
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A typical phone is well over $1000.
Mozza
Member
I suppose you could look at it that way... But you can't simply believe if Nintendo released a PS5, it would automatically gain market share....To much water has passed under the bridge since the GameCube.
Nintendo was smart to get out when they did...
ecosse_011172
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Please explain how I'm a Nintendo shill because I point out how unsuccessful Nintendo's traditional consoles have been compared to hybrids in the last 20 years.
Mozza
Member
It would take some sales without a doubt. The core console market is around 180 million consoles each generation, and I doubt they would get the third of this. The cost in gaining even this modest share would be far too much. Nintendo also like to make money on the hardware, which would simply not be possible in this arena.
Lokaum D+
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you keep bring Gamecube and WiiU failure as it was market/consumer fault and not Nintento fault, you cant even acknowledge that.
ecosse_011172
Banned
So you want Nintendo to be less like their successful consoles and more like the failed ones?
Mozza
Member
Was it Nintendo's fault that the PS2 was simply more popular?.... And when the Wii U was released most of the casuals that had bought a Wii, had simply jumped ship.
Lokaum D+
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We finally agree on something here, this is the only reason Nintendo will never go back to traditional consoles, they like to make as much money as possible, their consoles are cheaper to produce but cost the same as a more capable one, their games are cheap to produce but they were the ones who raised the price of games from $70 to $80 and they do this because they know their fan base are loyal to them.
its simple like this.
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Lokaum D+
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C'mon guys, really ?
Nintendo hindered N64 third party support cause they choose to go cartridge and cause of that PSOne became a monster, causing the subpar sales performance of N64.
Nintendo hindered GC third party support cause they choose mini DVD, while PS2 went with regular one that, had more storage capacity, again with almost no third party support GC sales were subpar.
WiiU was a market mess from Nintendo that caused the failure of the console.
are we living in the same universe ? like i said i ll drop this cause we are getting no where, love you both.
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FoxMcChief
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ecosse_011172
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So, is your argument that the Switch 2 is shit because it's not like the SNES?
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Lokaum D+
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see, no point in arguing with you, once more you proved my point, to the ignore list it goes.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
More handheld footage
Mozza
Member
Are you serious........... surely not. The reason you feel you are getting nowhere with all this. Is you are cherry picking bits to suit your own argument. And there is far more context and nuance to the situations you are talking about.
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Mozza
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Well this is why these posts are called opinions lol.
Lokaum D+
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I never said otherwiseWell this is why these posts are called opinions lol.
Darkness_Arises
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Seems decent outside of the weird framerate hitches, which might be down to the video encode. I have just now reached this area on my PS5 and the NS2 graphical quality is comparable with predictable cutbacks.
I would not recommend this game to anybody on any hardware. I bought it on sale to check out the RTGI. The real-time illumination is clearly apparent on the PS5, it is just not what makes a game graphically impressive to me. Also, it is quite boring IMO. About to drop it after 1-2 hours and I doubt I will come back.
BlackTron
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I actually agreed with you right until the very last sentence. Switch being a hybrid isn't a shield from all criticism, but it's the only answer to "but it costs almost as much as a PS5!" self-owning the whole post.
blacktout
Member
Damn, Ubisoft nuked it already. Interesting that they let the earlier footage stay up as long as they did.
kevboard
Member
Well, it actual is close. Sure, it lacks the cpu power, but most games are more gpu bound. We already have seen that cyberpunk has better textures, better iq, better reflections as series s. Which is also a big deal. The same about apex legend having a better iq as series s. Sf6, aside from the texture bug, even with the fix, it still looks better on switch 2.
In other words, games can look better on switch 2. Framerate wise and npc's will stick above switch 2 on series s.
Thats why i put it in between ps4 pro and series s for cpu games.