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Star Wars: The Old Republic [Releasing Date: Dec 20 NA/EU - NDA Lifted]
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Mr. Luchador
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I'm happy the Imperials have that smarmy British/Faux British accent we've all come to love. For that reason alone, I'm rolling Imperial.
BattleMonkey
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Morn said:
Outside of actual content, which RIFT was severely lacking to in comparison to WoW. The amount of content, and size of the world are tiny in comparison.
It is fair to compare the MMO's, but it is unfair at the same time. WoW has had so many expansions and content updates, that pretty much no MMO is able to come out and match the sheer volume of what WoW offers. RIFT had most of the features WoW did, but not all, but yea when it came to content, RIFT was FAR behind WOW and really no MMO is going to launch with what WoW has going for it.
Interfectum
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eastmen said:
I disagree.
I bet Blizzard's Titan MMO is going to blow people away day one as most of their games have. I don't think it's a matter of matching WoW feature-for-feature, it's about making people not care that a feature is missing because the game is so fun / different.
If you go into an MMO now and miss features from WoW, then that developer has failed, IMO.
BattleMonkey
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Interfectum said:
I would think, but you see it with every MMO that comes out, even with a bunch of unique features that set it apart, the players whine and moan about the game not having a feature that WoW has.
Dinosaur Tamer
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Not really. Comparing two games to each other, I can consider one of them more fun or superior, but still miss some features from the other one. It's just not as simple as you are trying to put it.
Also, I bet Blizard's Titan MMO is literally going to blow people away day one with its real money auction house they are planning to test in Diablo 3.
Of course, I am not being completely serious. Although I am half expecting some kind of money making shenanigans with every new Blizzard game to come. Just try to stay objective here for a second. Titan is not going to do anything revolutionary (Blizzard never does) nor will it have anywhere near as much content as current World of Warcraft on launch day (it's simply not possible). Judging from the very few comments Blizzard made on this project it might just as well have a heavy focus on the casual market, which would make this whole comparison completely pointless whatsoever.
Also, I bet Blizard's Titan MMO is literally going to blow people away day one with its real money auction house they are planning to test in Diablo 3.
Of course, I am not being completely serious. Although I am half expecting some kind of money making shenanigans with every new Blizzard game to come. Just try to stay objective here for a second. Titan is not going to do anything revolutionary (Blizzard never does) nor will it have anywhere near as much content as current World of Warcraft on launch day (it's simply not possible). Judging from the very few comments Blizzard made on this project it might just as well have a heavy focus on the casual market, which would make this whole comparison completely pointless whatsoever.
Interfectum
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BattleMonkey said:
$10 says you won't hear a lot of that whining when Guild Wars 2 comes out. Why? Because it's pushing the genre forward so much that whatever it's lacking (that WoW has) is irrelevant.
I fully expect Titan to be the same way.
CcrooK said:
I guess you can read up on it in this thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=440171
Dinosaur Tamer
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Well, they claimed they are going to get rid of the Holy Trinity, but as far as I know they already stepped back from this one, didn't they?
Honestly, in my opinion ridding the MMO genre from Tanks and Healers would be ten steps backwards instead of forward. I would never even consider playing a MMO, where I can't even play my favorite role (Healer). Why should I?
Also, playing Guild wars for close to two hours on gamescom 2010 left me pretty disappointed and I have read a lot of similar judgements from people, who already played the game.
Honestly, in my opinion ridding the MMO genre from Tanks and Healers would be ten steps backwards instead of forward. I would never even consider playing a MMO, where I can't even play my favorite role (Healer). Why should I?
Also, playing Guild wars for close to two hours on gamescom 2010 left me pretty disappointed and I have read a lot of similar judgements from people, who already played the game.
flyinpiranha
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So exactly how "big" is the game? I keep seeing people throwing around content amounts and while I tried Rift for a few days it didn't click with me. Use WoW as a comparison I guess since it's the only other MMO besides CoH that I really have an idea of how big the game world is.
Or is that NDA stuff too?
Or is that NDA stuff too?
BattleMonkey
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CcrooK said:
GW2 is tons of hype, I never seen so much blind faith in a game. All we hear how it's going to revolutionize every single thing and it's going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Any things it will lack in of course will be forgiven because it's not a sub based MMO. Lot of it so far is nothing but words and hyperbole so far though, we will have to wait and see how it turns out. Does have some cool sounding features and of course with no sub needed.... well why not jump in anyways? I know I will be getting it, I also need a fantasy setting MMO I think and I just can't get into RIFT anymore so that will be the one I'm waiting for.... but I think it's being way overhyped and I'm sure it will not deliver what people expect.
CcrooK said:
It's not breaking new ground really that hasn't been tried by other games, but it's got unique features... the dynamic world events and such are kind of unique but if they really turn out and work well will have to wait and see. RIFT did them kinda and it was kinda pointless after the initial "wow cool" factor wore off.
TheRagnCajun
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flyinpiranha said:
I have an idea of how big CoH is. But that game has 21? free expansions since release.
No MMO is going to be able to match that upon release. A lot of that content is shit too though.
The amount of content that is in SWTOR probably falls under NDA.
Skills depends of weapons, area effect attacks buffs classes in different ways, completely revamped party design: You dont compete with people on events, You dont care about party member levels etc, completely new dynamic event system [its different than RIFT's one], ability to upscale items to higher levels and probably groundbreaking pvp, but we still dont know almost anything about it.CcrooK said:
So happy GW2 has no sub so I can easily play SWTOR and GW2 at the same time. I'm hoping all my friends who refuse to play SWTOR because of the fee will play GW2 with me because they all enjoyed the original game (I bought accounts for some of them, the damn freeloaders)
I'm planning on playing as a Trooper tank as my alt. Looks fun.rukland said:
Interfectum
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BattleMonkey said:
Well, yeah, this too. I guess my point is, IF Guild Wars 2 were to live up to the hype whatever it lacks from WoW, while missed, would be irrelevant in the long run. That's what I'm hoping for TOR and expecting for Titan as well. When WoW came out there was stuff I missed from UO and EQ but the game was so good that I easily got over it. I can't say the same thing about any other MMO after WoW.
BattleMonkey
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Billychu said:
Bah, trooper all the way
Interfectum
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Scoundrel or bust.
BattleMonkey
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Billychu said:
Do you stuff everyone in little floor panels?
Interfectum
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Billychu said:
Yeah but they'll all laugh at us when our epic PvP gear set is a leather jacket with blue trimming.
BattleMonkey
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Interfectum said:
Epic pants will have the Corellian blood stripe
Felix Lighter
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The rough beta issues that were mentioned in the last couple pages; I would love to know if these are issues that would effect someone who basically wants to play the game as a singleplay/coop rpg or are these issues with say, PVP balancing?
Also, I hate the fucking NDA and the posts that make big statements with no way to elaborate, positive or negative.
Also, I hate the fucking NDA and the posts that make big statements with no way to elaborate, positive or negative.
BattleMonkey
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Felix Lighter said:
The issues just seem to be lot of lack of polish on aspects right now, but theres still a minimum of 2 months of testing and updates likely at this point so it's hard to say how things will turn out. But I don't imagine lot being game breaking and more of just some things people are dissapointed in at the moment
Felix Lighter
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BattleMonkey said:
Alright, thanks for the reply. Hopefully, I get a shot at the Beta to get a feel for it myself. My lack of MMO experience may make me more forgiving than others.
Felix Lighter said:
Don't forget that external beta's have older builds also. Bioware internal is about two to three months ahead of what the beta testers are playing . I'm not sure how much closer this new beta phase gets players. But it possible they are still playing May/june builds vs what bioware has internaly
BattleMonkey
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Bloodsent said:
They are always working on the next build, current feedback would be going into the current dev build they are working on. Even though the devs would be on a newer build, it would still be highly work in progress.
Also some stuff will probably be kept out of beta as it's in development and might not even be finished enough in time for release, so they keep it behind the scenes and even out of beta testor hands
PC requirements posted on site, bottom of page
http://www.swtor.com/preorder?intcmp=eaint593
OSWindows XP, Vista/7
CPU AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 4000+ or better · Intel Core 2 Duo Processor 2.0GHz or better
RAM Windows XP: 1.5GB · Windows Vista and Windows 7: 2GB
GRAPHICS PCs using a built-in graphical chipset, 2GB RAM recommended. VideoATI X1800 or better* · nVidia 7800 or better* · Intel 4100 Integrated Graphics or better*
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http://www.swtor.com/preorder?intcmp=eaint593
OSWindows XP, Vista/7
CPU AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 4000+ or better · Intel Core 2 Duo Processor 2.0GHz or better
RAM Windows XP: 1.5GB · Windows Vista and Windows 7: 2GB
GRAPHICS PCs using a built-in graphical chipset, 2GB RAM recommended. VideoATI X1800 or better* · nVidia 7800 or better* · Intel 4100 Integrated Graphics or better*
DVD-ROM 8x or better
*Minimum of 256MB of on-board RAM and Shader 3.0 or better support.
Bloodsent said:
Look at it this way.
Bioware creates Build A . They test it internaly and find 25 bugs. They start fixing said bugs and send it out to a larger group of external testers. Testers now go at the build for a longer amount of time.
Bioware now tests Build B to make sure those bugs are fixed. And to find new bugs. They start making Build C based on Feed back coming in from public testers of Build A .
Bioware now fixes bugs from build A and B along with new features into Build D. Build B is now in the hands of Public testers.
Bioware now tests Build D and uses internal feed back on C and external feed back on build B to create build E
This keeps going on. THis way they keep making foward progress.
Rflagg said:
Excuse me? This is a completely different situation. GT5/Forza flame wars are 90% system wars and 10% about the game.
TOR and WoW aren't on two warring console systems. They're on the same platform and competing for the same subscription money from the same user base. And don't go "bubububu Star Wars!", it's mostly the MMO market they're going for and you're kidding yourself if you think they're just going after Star Wars fans.
If you're so emotionally invested in TOR and don't want to hear how it doesn't match up to the current MMO standard, that's fine - you don't have to read it. But don't demand mods come in and make rules just so you don't have to read anything negative about the game you want to play.
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