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Star Wars: The Old Republic [Releasing Date: Dec 20 NA/EU - NDA Lifted]
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Giolon
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Spire said:
Old Republic is a theme park-style MMO, fashioned after the KOTOR single-player games (and honestly, WoW) the devs had said this. It is nothing like the sandbox games like SWG of old - the devs have also said this (if necessary I can dig those out of the dev tracker for you). They want expectations to be realistic.
That said, whether or not the world is as....calculated feeling as you say post-WotLK WoW is, you'll have to wait and see for yourself. Or I guess you could try to get a leaker to tell you, but that won't be me.
BattleMonkey
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I hope things are a bit more space out than in RIFT, they really stuff every square inch of that game it felt like at times with mobs and quests outside of towns. Course that game was not really all that large land mass wise, but I do like some space...... just for pretty stuffs
Valru said:Gear in early zones look like vanilla wow textures. Rocks have large ugly textures stretched all over them. The texture work is certainly not up to par in the beta with anything in Cataclysm.
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My problem too. Really feels like vanilla WoW with a KOTOR skin instead of Cataclysm with a KOTOR skin.
flyinpiranha
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What do you mean by "theme-park MMO"?
Inferno313
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flyinpiranha said:
Games like WoW where you are guided through handcrafted environments are theme park MMOs.
Open World games where the community is left up to building a large portion of the world and economy like SWG are sandbox MMOs.
A theme park mmo constantly pushes you forward, there is no room for exploration or deviation, you go where the developer wants you to and then you continue on to the next place. Theme park mmos also tend to feel "fake" and very unconvincing that they could be set in a real world. WoW is somewhat like this however WoW still allows for exploration.flyinpiranha said:
flyinpiranha
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Inferno313 said:
Ah, gotcha. A nice mix of both would be nice.
Valru said:
Yeah. WoW was done one way and one way only but they gave at least gave you a choice of "where" that one way was heh.
I do hope there are areas that you can just explore. I mean, we're talking different planets here, so hopefully some of the areas are just for exploring and the quests aren't knocked too close together.
sangreal said:
It was harder, that's for sure. Rag and Nef and C'thun kills felt far more rewarding than anything in WoTLK (didn't raid in TBC and quit shortly after 85 in cata).
Giolon said:
I know it's not a sandbox, I was just hoping the zones were well designed. MMO's these days seem to design their zones around the quests and not the other way around. It creates a completely unbelievable, uninteresting world to me, I'm hoping SWTOR avoids that.
MaddenNFL64
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beaten by a mile, but screw it. posted again!
Alex
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Exploration in WoW is meaningless, in my opinion. There's nothing to see or do, no items to obtain, no risk or danger, no point to it, I mean quests will just take you there eventually anyhow. Northrend was the only time I ever felt compelled to actually have a look around at anything, and that's mostly because Northrend is extremely gorgeous.
It worked a bit better in classic, though their quest design in classic was complete garbage so I was often down on it despite that. I do miss actually being able to die or having quest areas that demanded groups and good player skill unless you outleveled them.
I hope TOR can better balance it's leveling challenge than WoW, where you're essentially in permanent god mode until end game nowadays where it turns into a completely different game. They even took out all of the group and elite quests, though considering what a barren wasteland the world is as they just herd people into hubs and instances, I guess they kind of have to.
It worked a bit better in classic, though their quest design in classic was complete garbage so I was often down on it despite that. I do miss actually being able to die or having quest areas that demanded groups and good player skill unless you outleveled them.
I hope TOR can better balance it's leveling challenge than WoW, where you're essentially in permanent god mode until end game nowadays where it turns into a completely different game. They even took out all of the group and elite quests, though considering what a barren wasteland the world is as they just herd people into hubs and instances, I guess they kind of have to.
I think it's just a matter of time before that happens within most MMOs. Not sure how it can be corrected, at least Blizzard tried to infuse the old continents with new life/content in Catalysm. But it's too little too late IMO.Alex said:
Edit: In TOR I'd like for there to be real consequences as the story goes on. I want to galaxy to change from key events on the server, certain planets swapping control due to a specific battle etc. But it order to do that you'd have to completely instance off those planets based on level so the leveling players wouldn't be screwed over.
This makes me sad. Shitty textures just murder games for meValru said:Gear in early zones look like vanilla wow textures. Rocks have large ugly textures stretched all over them. The texture work is certainly not up to par in the beta with anything in Cataclysm.
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Hopefully they get updated over time.Ignis Fatuus
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I'm back. I hit cap on Imperial side and am well on my way there on Republic side.
Two things:
1) I was right about the release date. People like Morn who thought this would be out in October were delusional.
2) Unfortunately after the latest build I am no longer recommending early adoption to my friends. I'm only putting that out here because I endorsed it previously and can no longer do so honestly.
Two things:
1) I was right about the release date. People like Morn who thought this would be out in October were delusional.
2) Unfortunately after the latest build I am no longer recommending early adoption to my friends. I'm only putting that out here because I endorsed it previously and can no longer do so honestly.
NeededSleep
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Ignis Fatuus said:
well that worries me
BattleMonkey
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Jira said:
I really doubt he can say details without breaking NDA
NeededSleep
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Spire said:
seriously! i dont want to go back to wow. id rather just wait for diablo3 or torchlight 2..... where the hell is torchlight 2 are they porting it for release or some shit?
flyinpiranha
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Ignis Fatuus said:
Is it because it's not what you wanted or not what you expected? I have a pretty good feeling what I expect out of the game but wants are a whole new ballpark.
BattleMonkey
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flyinpiranha said:
Well from lot of the beta reports and q&a's being leaked, it sounds like theres lot of rough edges in the game still.
flyinpiranha
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Morn said:
I imagine a month before the launch we'll be seeing a lot.
EhrgeizVII
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I heard Final Fantasy XIV is actually fun nowadays... *rolleyes*
And it is, been playing it the last two days. Whenever I look at SWTOR screenshots now, I die a little inside. God, Final Fantasy XIV is gorgeous. Might stick to it too, if SWTOR turns out to be shite.
And it is, been playing it the last two days. Whenever I look at SWTOR screenshots now, I die a little inside. God, Final Fantasy XIV is gorgeous. Might stick to it too, if SWTOR turns out to be shite.
EhrgeizVII
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CcrooK said:
The gameplay's not bad. Feels like a single player RPG, but it's quite relaxing that way. I never played it at launch, but I heard alot has been changed in the game.
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