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Star Wars: The Old Republic [Releasing Date: Dec 20 NA/EU - NDA Lifted]
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I agree, the voice over is an unnecessary luxury. Surely it will make x-pacs more expensive to develop and also longer.
I would rather the funds and man-power went towards a day/night cycle, I can't believe they said it was due to different moons and more consistent.
This MMO sounds more and more like a single player experience with bolt-ons.
I really wish they went with a more refined SWG and learnt from SWG's mistakes.
I would rather the funds and man-power went towards a day/night cycle, I can't believe they said it was due to different moons and more consistent.
This MMO sounds more and more like a single player experience with bolt-ons.
I really wish they went with a more refined SWG and learnt from SWG's mistakes.
BattleMonkey
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JohnTuk said:
Well I imagine players will replay flashpoints several times like most players do with dungeons in most MMOs, so they will have probably done the dialogues several times already and just want to skip it on replays.
Felix Lighter
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Now I'm getting nervous. Lots of negative impressions lately. The lack of a Day/Night cycle doesn't bother me, nor does the lack of an ability to sit in chairs but lately there's been just a sense of general negativity towards the game by those playing. I really need to get a crack at this beta because I'm probably looking for something different out of this game than most MMO veterans. I need to play it for myself to know whether the complaints brought up in this thread will apply to me.
There are so many games coming out this holiday; I need to be smart with my purchases. This is probably my most anticipated game but that anticipation is based on what I want the game to be and not necessarily what the game actually is.
There are so many games coming out this holiday; I need to be smart with my purchases. This is probably my most anticipated game but that anticipation is based on what I want the game to be and not necessarily what the game actually is.
Gunmonkey36
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Felix Lighter said:
Don't be discouraged by the people who are negative. There are plenty of us here who are in beta and enjoying ourselves quite a lot.
darth_infamous
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Gunmonkey36 said:
Indeed, most of the negative reactions are from people who have not actually played it, and have only seen a youtube video. There is an extreme difference between watching even a high quality video and playing it yourself.
FieryBalrog
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One guy posts his impression and the next 5 people (who have not played the beta) try to tell him why he's wrong.darth_infamous said:
I'm getting a familiar feeling from this!
Gunmonkey36
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FieryBalrog said:
Except I am in the beta...
If its not against the NDA I would gladly give out my character name for none believers that have access to the beta.
FieryBalrog
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I was talking about the people responding to Sato Koiji, not you.Gunmonkey36 said:
Gunmonkey36
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FieryBalrog said:
O, my bad, I'm terrible at this english communication thing. My native language has and always will be Java.
Gunmonkey36
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Billychu said:
That is what I figured. I haven't looked at the NDA terribly closely. I basically know not to give specific feedback/features/etc out to the public.
Yay for blindly signing contracts...
EhrgeizVII
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TeK-DeLorean said:
Wow, the bolded part really sucks. I love the diverse animations in WoW. When I went from Undead Warrior to Orc Warrior the whole class changed for me, it actually felt different due to animations and basically looking more badass.
The little things are beginning to add up. I shouldn't get too worried though, since I haven't played yet.. But I can't help to think this game will disappoint.
Dinosaur Tamer
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There is a new official video featuring the Huttball Warzone (exactly the one they showed us at gamescom) and you can see a Jedi Consular throwing something that does not look like the engine part.
Anyone else worried about the game's longevity based on the license and Lucasarts? The reason why SWG is shutting down in December is because SOE's license for the game with Lucasarts is expiring in 2012.
Lucasarts tends to play musical executives all the time, and if they get someone in there who doesn't care for MMOs they can allow BioWare's license to end and not allow it to be renewed.
It's not a WoW situation where BioWare owns the game.
Lucasarts tends to play musical executives all the time, and if they get someone in there who doesn't care for MMOs they can allow BioWare's license to end and not allow it to be renewed.
It's not a WoW situation where BioWare owns the game.
Dinosaur Tamer
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steadfast said:
I am not talking about the "Throw Ball" ability. Look at 2:22 - it's definitely a Jedi Shadow and it looks like he is lifting up and throwing a Droid.
FieryBalrog said:
Sure, it happens, but there are also people - that claim to be in the beta - posting some completely baseless complains. Like the guy claiming you cannot do anything if abilities are on cooldown (along with other very ill-informed stuff). So you also have people who already played the game debunking some weird or factually wrong complains.
I can't really blame anyone being cautious after what the genre brought forward during the past few years, but people should not believe everything they read and they should definitely stop giving negative impressions more weight than positive. Just wait and see until you get to play the game yourself.
I realize this works both ways - for complaints and praise, but personally I find the complaints in this thread much more subjective or (sometimes) over the top. Like people claiming the game is a huge failure, because it lacks a very minor feature they enjoy.
BattleMonkey
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Morn said:
As long as it's doing well and bringing money in for LA it will stay up and running. By the time it would happen that they would want to cancel the license, is when the game is running on fumes already and most will have already left the game behind. It's surprising that SWG ran as long as it did and probably would still be going if TOR wasn't coming out.
For anyone who never experienced the day cycle on Tatooine in SWG:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csq_coWsYOk
TOR needs that shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csq_coWsYOk
TOR needs that shit.
The lack of a night and day cycle is not a game breaker, it just seems like an insane exclusion.....especially since they have such a huge budget for other stuff. They'll go to all this trouble to make sure every bit of dialogue is fully-voiced, but they can't make it go dark every 12-16 hours?
It's as if you test drive a $40,000 Lexus, only to discover that it didn't have power windows. It's not that big a deal because you don't really roll down the windows that much, and you would probably still want to buy the car. But you can't help but wonder why they excluded such a standard feature, and think about how annoying it will be those few times that you do want it there.
I think it might be time for Bioware and/or the beta testers to dispell this "It's 8 KOTOR games in one!" myth, before people start to get disappointed. I bought into it because it seemed like accepted fact, but since then most of the testers in this thread have admitted that 70-80% of quests are shared between classes. To say that it is many separate games seems disingenuous.
It's as if you test drive a $40,000 Lexus, only to discover that it didn't have power windows. It's not that big a deal because you don't really roll down the windows that much, and you would probably still want to buy the car. But you can't help but wonder why they excluded such a standard feature, and think about how annoying it will be those few times that you do want it there.
Parn said:
I think it might be time for Bioware and/or the beta testers to dispell this "It's 8 KOTOR games in one!" myth, before people start to get disappointed. I bought into it because it seemed like accepted fact, but since then most of the testers in this thread have admitted that 70-80% of quests are shared between classes. To say that it is many separate games seems disingenuous.
Dakota47
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Morn said:
After seeing that video I have to say that I agree with you.
Oh by the way: TB has put up an interview with Gabe from BW about the endgame content.
border said:
It might be eight single-player games worth of general content (in terms of time played, and what MMORPG doesn't have that?), but it is most certainly not 8 KOTORs. In fact, it's very much un-KOTOR in a lot of ways, and I think that's what is going to disappoint a lot of people. You feel like you're playing this weird "shell" of a KOTOR game, but the importance and context, even the companion/party member interaction, just isn't there.
WarMacheen
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JohnTuk said:
Who wants to slog through the same dialog, spoken or not, more than maybe twice.
I can bet my entire steam catalog that you will skip a cutscene after watching it 15 fucking times.
Also after seeing that top hat and hearing the accent, I was expecting Peter Molyneux to pop in and give some random bullshit hype about marrying a prostitute twi'lek from a cantina and then having/raising your very own padawon
Dakota47
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border said:
What I find much more unsettling is seeing him at all. His appearance is vastly different from the mental image I have developed through watching his videos. I was expecting a bespectacled middle aged man, slightly overweight, balding with some ginger curls to the side, wearing almond colored polyester shirtsleeves and chinos. I am disappoint.
BattleMonkey
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border said:
The hype they put into their words really was going to backfire, many had to realize they were kind of being a bit over the top with their claims, though from what they were also saying at the time they were talking about the sheer amount of dialogue/story in the game being equivalent to several KOTOR games... but we will see on that.
Still each class has it's own unique thing going in a way, besides quests you have your unique dialogues, story lines, and you also have all the interactions with companions which are also going to be unique. Not be what some of us wanted or expected though, but I hope that it is more than enough compared to other MMO's to at least promote the play of alt characters which is difficult as in most MMO's there is zero difference at all between classes and the game you play through... at least here there is unique content.
The fear though for future content are warranted no doubt, but I assume that any specific class story extentions and exclusive material will be held back for paid expansions
. But I will be content if at least with updates after release we just get more stuff in general along with adding new features to the game as many have suggested including perhaps some minigame stuff like Pazak or whatever comes along.Last Hearth
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border said:
Not really, if the fully level up of a character is 200 hours, then 20-30% of that being class quests is still 40-60 hours, which is the full length of a single KOTOR game (perhaps even a bit longer).
So you still have 8 of these 40-60 hours of completely unique contents, which is like 8 KOTORs.
Gunmonkey36
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Last Hearth said:
Okay, I have to be careful how I say this, but do you really think it will take 200 hours to level up a character?
BattleMonkey
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Last Hearth said:
Well don't know how long really it takes, but I highly doubt that 200 hours would be anything more than usual PR speak. They probably tossed in lot of generous time thinking players will invest in pvp and other content besides just the base character leveling to max. As been said before many sadly are going to want to just play through and get to end game asap.
Gunmonkey36 said:
I don't think it will at all, but I'm sure they expect players to do more than just level up their character in game, I think many with MMOs will usually spend good amount of time just with other things, instance running, pvp, crafting, socializing, etc, etc....
Gunmonkey36
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Kintaro said:
You really wanna know?
Between 1 sec and an unbounded(infinite) amount of time.
=P
Trickster
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Morn said:
Not saying you're wrong, but that kind of thing always seems a lot more interesting/impressive when it's shown in a timelapse.
I mean, I can view a timelapse of the same in WoW and think it's looks very pretty, but when I'm actually playing the game, it happens so gradually that I pretty much never notice or think about it. Same for any games where the day/night cycles last more than 20 minutes really.
Azwethinkweiz
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One thing I'm still kinda confused about is the raids being 8-16 people. What does that mean? Is there an 8 man and a 16 man? Can I go in with 11 people? Do the encounters scale by person? Just seems like it would be hard to balance if you could bring in any number of people between 8-16.
I don't really have a problem with them limiting sales. I think its obvious that the beta test weekends are designed for them to properly adjust the server load and increase servers as needed.
I think its a smart idea to have it done in waves. Get everyone who preordered into the game then have X amount on store shelves for launch and then have wave two a few weeks after launch.
As for day and night cycles who cares. I actually hate them as in alot of games it would become way to dark to do much and hten i'd have to turn brightness up on my monitor to see anything .
I think its a smart idea to have it done in waves. Get everyone who preordered into the game then have X amount on store shelves for launch and then have wave two a few weeks after launch.
As for day and night cycles who cares. I actually hate them as in alot of games it would become way to dark to do much and hten i'd have to turn brightness up on my monitor to see anything .
Yeah the textures are terrible! And what should be hard, rigid pieces of armor bend and stretch around the neck, shoulders, and chest when the character moves even slightly. The cutscenes would be great if it weren't for this issue. It makes the armor look like unbaked molding clay.
Winnie the Pimp
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wait so there are no day/night cycles at ALL then in this game?
does time pass though?
does time pass though?
Azwethinkweiz said:
Remember that WoW once had "entry-level" raids for new max-level players -- UBRS, Scholomance, and Stratholme. They allowed you to bring 10 or 15 players to these places, but you could get away with bringing less.
I suspect that TOR's entry level raids will be like those dungeons once were -- small, smart and focused groups can push their way through with some effort, or you can bring the maximum allowable number of people and quickly faceroll the thing without much thought.
They've said that they will not presume players to be using Ventrilo or mods, so I would not expect the mechanics of the fights to be too challenging or complex. Probably just stuff like "Don't point the boss towards the raid group" or "Run to this area when the explosion countdown starts."
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