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Star Wars: The Old Republic [Releasing Date: Dec 20 NA/EU - NDA Lifted]

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Desaan

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Trickster said:
I'm from EU, I've not played one second of swtor. And I'll tell anyone, regardless of whether they're US or EU. That they're not entitled to a beta invite based on their location, signup number, bioware loyalty or whatever else kind of reason people can think up for deserving a beta invite.

The beta is not there to satisfy the players urge to play the game, but to let bioware test their game, so that when the game actually releases, it will be a good product.

People can feel free to want a beta invite as much as they want, that's fine. But to get pissy at bioware because they don't grant them a beta invite is dumb and annoying.


What bothers me is there are no EU servers up and running yet and the clock is ticking, are they going to be ready in time fully stress tested and configured? The NA servers sure will be.

I don't really care for the beta as I have a fairly low download speed (I'm surrounded by the forests and farm fields in the middle of nowhere) but anyone who disagree's with the Europeans not getting equal opportunity is lying, or trolling, or both.
 

Deadly

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Desaan said:
What bothers me is there are no EU servers up and running yet and the clock is ticking, are they going to be ready in time fully stress tested and configured? The NA servers sure will be.
You make it sound as if they actually have a released date announced.
 

steadfast

Member
CzarTim said:
re:RP

I joined a Stormtrooper RP guild in SWG. There was no sexy time that I saw, but I did quit the first time I had to transport a "prisoner", and then stand guard for an hour in a makeshift prison someone had made in their home.

I not only quit the guild, I quit the game.

This is the funniest thing I've read all day, holy shit!
 

Desaan

Member
Deadly said:
You make it sound as if they actually have a released date announced.

We all know their 'target window' and it kind of hangs on how these September weekends go but will the lack of EU testing/servers effect it? (Worst case scenario but hopefully not)
 

LowParry

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Desaan said:
We all know their 'target window' and it kind of hangs on how these September weekends go but will the lack of EU testing/servers effect it? (Worst case scenario but hopefully not)

It could effect the EU release. In theory.
 
Aye.

EU Beta was suppose to start months ago. Then last weekend, and now its 'some point this week.'

As a customer this my first experience of how they might potentially handle the EU side of things. Its happened before with other MMOs (DCUO) so its not out of the question it can happen again.

Even then the EU invites are to NA servers...
 

kodt

Banned
Played it yesterday.

1. Combat feels good. It feels pretty much like WoW, but with no autoattack, so you end up spamming the basic attack at times, but this is fine. It keeps it from getting so boring when you are low on force/mana whatever. I like the way WoW combat feels so this is good.

2. Environments look really good (and I was trying on a friend's shitty PC) the graphics aren't super impressive, but the artwork is done well. This was the case with WoW, not top of the line graphics, but good design and artwork.

3. Space Combat was fun, not typical MMO gameplay but I enjoyed it. At first it is disappointing that it is on rails, but it is a nice distraction from the normal gameplay.

4. Feels like KOTOR mixed with WoW in many ways. I only did a few quests so can't say how interesting the story is. But real dialogue is a big factor in actually caring about quests instead of just skipping the quest text and looking at objectives.

5. Did run into several bugs (missing heads, floating objects, blank dialog choices) but hopefully these are sorted out before release. None of these really affected game-play much.

Overall the game felt good, and I thought the environments were cool. Disappointed that we don't have open planet exploration SWG style, but if the story and combat are solid enough it will be more like playing KOTOR with friends. Which sounds pretty good to me.
 

dorkimoe

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Just got an email from them that had the subject line "We want you to test Star Wars the old republic"

opened the email and it said "by pre ordering"

"RAGEEEEEEEEEE" I did pre order it :( i just didnt enter the pre order code on the website until recently because i didnt know about it
 

Dakota47

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Chriswok said:
Aye.

EU Beta was suppose to start months ago. Then last weekend, and now its 'some point this week.'

As a customer this my first experience of how they might potentially handle the EU side of things. Its happened before with other MMOs (DCUO) so its not out of the question it can happen again.

Even then the EU invites are to NA servers...

Agreed. If Bioware is scanning this thread for people leaking from the beta they might as well pick up on this as well.
 

sangreal

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dorkimoe said:
Just got an email from them that had the subject line "We want you to test Star Wars the old republic"

opened the email and it said "by pre ordering"

"RAGEEEEEEEEEE" I did pre order it :( i just didnt enter the pre order code on the website until recently because i didnt know about it

Same here.. I pre-ordered in July but just entered the code after that e-mail. I didn't enter it in July because I was confused about how it worked (at the time the wording was weird -- sounded like I had to enter the code from amazon to pre-order the game from bioware or some weird shit). I don't really care though, so whatever
 
Dakota47 said:
Agreed. If Bioware is scanning this thread for people leaking from the beta they might as well pick up on this as well.

As promised, we have an update on the batch of Game Testing invites being sent to players in the EU.

After a lengthy discussion here at the BioWare offices, the decision has been made to postpone the proposed Game Testing invites for EU players for a number of reasons.

Firstly, there’s a new build of the game on the horizon. This is a major build, meaning there will be character wipes and a new client to download. As you may be aware, the current client download is around 27GB in size. If we were to invite players en masse today, those players would have to download the entirety of the client to access the game. There’s every chance that later this week, the service will go offline and this new version will be rolled out, meaning everyone currently in Testing will have to not only download the entire client again (another 27GB download), but will also have their characters erased and have to start afresh. This is a relatively large amount to download in such a short space of time and not an experience we want new testers to be exposed to.

Secondly, this new build will bring about the first localised versions of Star Wars: The Old Republic, which means those of you that speak French and German will have the chance to play the game in those languages, for the first time ever. We’re extremely excited to be able to offer this to our players and as such, we’re keen to get a lot of feedback from European testers in particular.

For those of you that may have missed the messages we put out on the subject already, last week saw a number of issues arise with key systems that prevented us from sending out invites to EU players. Had everything gone to plan, we would have been able to offer two weeks of testing time to new users. However, given the issues that arose, this was physically not possible.

So while we understand that this news may not be what a lot of you wanted to hear today, we hope that you’ll understand our position. Given the news of this new build, it’s now more important than ever that we invite European players into the Game Testing environments, so you have my word that this batch of invites will happen, it may just mean you just have to wait a little longer.

It’s also important to remember this is just the beginning. In the future, we’ll be inviting more and more testers to the EU Game Testing environments as well as future Game Testing weekends. So even if you’re not invited to this next round of testing, there will still be plenty of chances to get involved.

As ever, as soon as I get any firm news around the matter, I’ll make sure to update everyone.

huh
 

Dakota47

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Chriswok said:

That was posted last Friday, wasn't it? I read it, but the fact of the matter still is that the US beta has been running for months now. It is starting to sound a bit like the early years of WoW where EU updates would always lag behind US updates. With TOR being such a speech heavy game requiring tons of localisation I am a bit afraid that the old continent will get stuff later than the colonies after release.
 
Dakota47 said:
That was posted last Friday, wasn't it? I read it, but the fact of the matter still is that the US beta has been running for months now. It is starting to sound a bit like the early years of WoW where EU updates would always lag behind US updates. With TOR being such a speech heavy game requiring tons of localisation I am a bit afraid that the old continent will get stuff later than the colonies after release.

It was originally posted on Friday, but since had an update explaining the reason why it was delayed. Fair enough they're FINALLY keeping us informed of what's actually happen with the EU Client, but I'm not confident.

Wouldn't have been bothered if I hadn't kept check tabs on the game, and had just picked it up on release.
 
Dakota47 said:
That was posted last Friday, wasn't it? I read it, but the fact of the matter still is that the US beta has been running for months now. It is starting to sound a bit like the early years of WoW where EU updates would always lag behind US updates. With TOR being such a speech heavy game requiring tons of localisation I am a bit afraid that the old continent will get stuff later than the colonies after release.

Oh screw that, suffered enough with DC universe with these shenanigans.
 

Giolon

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Early Access is not beta testing.

It's really just a gimmicky way of saying they're not going to let everyone start playing at once to try to ease the crowds into the servers.
 

Sigfodr

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Giolon said:
Early Access is not beta testing.

It's really just a gimmicky way of saying they're not going to let everyone start playing at once to try to ease the crowds into the servers.
It can be as gimmicky as it wants if I can get my name!
 

Hawk269

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Giolon said:
Early Access is not beta testing.

It's really just a gimmicky way of saying they're not going to let everyone start playing at once to try to ease the crowds into the servers.

Correct. Early Access is for those that did a pre-order and then entered the pre-order code on the official website. When they have a release date, they will begin the early access. Like Rift, early access for that game was 3-5 days before the "official" launch of the game.

The difference is that Bioware is going to determine who gets the earliest possible early access based on when you registered your pre-prder on their site. For example, I pre-ordered my copy on the 1st day pre-orders were available. I did this at 10:30am that day, came home and registered my pre-order by 11:00am. So in theory, if they have a 5 day early access, I will be able to play the game 5 days before the game is released because I was one of the first to registered.

Then if you are a player that registred the pre-order let's say a month later, you could be added to the early access, but instead of 5 days early, you will be able to play 3 days early.

BioWare is planning to stagger the early access based entirely on when you registered your pre-order. The earlier you pre-order the more early access time you have, the later you registered the less time you will have.

The unknown still is A) A Release date & B) How many days ahead of release day are they going to start early access.
 

Morn

Banned
If it slips to 2012 then it'll be going right up against the next WoW expansion, and it'll be WAR all over again. They'd be fucked.
 

rukland

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I buddy and I have been talking about ToR for ages now. And frankly the lack of confidence EA is showing in the game is rather scary. At this point they have allowed a very negative view of the game to take hold among those not playing in the beta. For that matter even the so called gaming press seems to have nothing nice to say.

If they really had any faith in this game being as good as they claim at conventions I would expect more marketing speak being tossed around. But to this point getting information about the game even the basics is a chore in combing fan site, official forums and general gaming news. The official ToR site is a wasteland when it comes to real information. I mean look at it the September beta weekends started but I dare you to find that info on the site.

I am really quite excited for the game but at this time I fully expect to wake up one morning to read that they canceled the game or that Lucas got tired of waiting yanked the license and it's now the Mass Effect MMO.
 

Morn

Banned
rukland said:
I buddy and I have been talking about ToR for ages now. And frankly the lack of confidence EA is showing in the game is rather scary. At this point they have allowed a very negative view of the game to take hold among those not playing in the beta. For that matter even the so called gaming press seems to have nothing nice to say.

Even people IN the beta have a negative view. And the gaming press has played the game and most are in the beta. So it's not some kind of grand conspiracy to spread false information.
 

BeauRoger

Unconfirmed Member
anybody know how much many variables there are when it comes to the rpg elements? So far as i know its the usual with mmo fare with items, professions, talent trees and some form of item costumization, but stats like strenght/dex/con/wis, do they exist and do you actually get to choose where to put them? What other elements are there when it comes to character advancement?
 

rukland

Member
Morn said:
Even people IN the beta have a negative view. And the gaming press has played the game and most are in the beta. So it's not some kind of grand conspiracy to spread false information.


Was never trying imply that at all. Really what I was getting at is there total lack of any work at reversing said view. I mean those not in which is still a huge number don't have much to go on but the negative. Really some is dropping the ball on trying to get a good PR / marketing campaign going.
 

Morn

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rukland said:
Was never trying imply that at all. Really what I was getting at is there total lack of any work at reversing said view. I mean those not in which is still a huge number don't have much to go on but the negative. Really some is dropping the ball on trying to get a good PR / marketing campaign going.

So you only want to hear good stuff about the game...even if it may not be true?
 

rukland

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Morn said:
So you only want to hear good stuff about the game...even if it may not be true?

Oh Morn you are such a great troll in this thread. No that's not at all what I want to hear. But if I was in charge of the PR division I would be doing my best to try and correct this negative view.

Frankly myself I don't give a shit what I read I just want a release date even if it is next year.
 

cackhyena

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antonz said:
The Gaming press in general has a negavtive view on all things MMO.
Not sure that's true in Guild Wars 2's case. Every thing I seem to see on that as far as coverage goes is positive. With good reason.
 
Gvaz said:
Okay, you buy me a $1200+ monitor, no big deal right?

This is one of the best investments I have ever made: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260038


I wanted the new Imac, but people on this forum advised that, while it was a sexy computer with a great IPS 2560x1440 screen it would not satisfy a hardcore pc gamer.

This Dell monitor uses the same panel as the Imac, but has more ports and is much cheaper than a cinema display. It's 1000 USD now on Newegg, but I am sure it's cheaper else where: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260038


Really worthwhile investment. I know Dell is not known for quality in many areas, but I love this monitor. It's pre custom calibrated from the getgo. The interface is slick, it's just fantastic.
 

rukland

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Door2Dawn said:
Yeah lets fucking ignore the people IN the beta that has a POSITIVE VIEW of the game. Opinions of games vary, more at fucking 11.

Not ignoring them at all, but lets face it the average game reads all the yellow journalism sites out there for there main information.
 
antonz said:
The Gaming press in general has a negavtive view on all things MMO.

So do most people I know, including myself, because the vast majority of them seem to play nearly exactly the same as WOW, and give off the same vibe of being Skinner boxes designed not to be interesting so much as addictive to keep subscriptions going.

I had high hopes for this game, as the concept of an MMO excites me, but it sounds like yet another WOW clone gameplay-wise :(

Are there any MMOs that don't fit into this mould? I might try Trek Online when it goes F2P, because at least the space combat looks cool.
 

Gvaz

Banned
krameriffic said:
Yes, that's why I own a 120Hz LCD.
So you like buying gimmicky shit?
Door2Dawn said:
Yeah lets fucking ignore the people IN the beta that has a POSITIVE VIEW of the game. Opinions of games vary, more at fucking 11.
I'd rather hear complaints about a thing than good things about a game, as the more complaints you have about a thing the worse it becomes.

How many complaints can you bring against Xenoblade that aren't extremely minor in the eyes of even a general RPG fan?

You can't because it's an overwhelmingly great game and the most overwhelming majority of users agree.

Vigilant Walrus said:
This is one of the best investments I have ever made: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824260038


I wanted the new Imac, but people on this forum advised that, while it was a sexy computer with a great IPS 2560x1440 screen it would not satisfy a hardcore pc gamer.

This Dell monitor uses the same panel as the Imac, but has more ports and is much cheaper than a cinema display. It's 1000 USD now on Newegg, but I am sure it's cheaper else where: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824260038


Really worthwhile investment. I know Dell is not known for quality in many areas, but I love this monitor. It's pre custom calibrated from the getgo. The interface is slick, it's just fantastic.
Yeah I want one, though that has a huge input lag from what I hear, like 30ms compared to say like 8ms. Or is it response time? One of those two.
 

Morn

Banned
thorsilver said:
So do most people I know, including myself, because the vast majority of them seem to play nearly exactly the same as WOW, and give off the same vibe of being Skinner boxes designed not to be interesting so much as addictive to keep subscriptions going.

I had high hopes for this game, as the concept of an MMO excites me, but it sounds like yet another WOW clone gameplay-wise :(

Are there any MMOs that don't fit into this mould? I might try Trek Online when it goes F2P, because at least the space combat looks cool.

STO is probably one of the least "WoW-like" MMOs out there. With the FPS controls, even the ground game is very different.
 

antonz

Member
Well new update on testing:
There is no Beta Testing Weekend scheduled for this weekend. There may be further Beta Testing Weekends during September, but we're not going to guarantee it. The weekend that just finished was really our first dry run of Beta Testing Weekends as a whole, and we have plenty of data to crunch, and decisions to make before we start things up again.
 

hgplayer1

Member
uh oh

havent been keeping too keen an eye on what was promised but it seems like this is the first time theyve said they cant guarantee weekend beta tests in September.

Everything Ive read up to now was simply "weekend beta testing in September"
 
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