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Star Wars: The Old Republic [Releasing Date: Dec 20 NA/EU - NDA Lifted]

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Gvaz

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Morn said:
Dungeon queues, raid queues, battleground queues...etc.

And no one over level 5 uses auto attack in WoW; so stop preaching as if that's some kind of revolutionary TOR feature.
The characters don't attack on their own unlike in wow. It's not about "using" auto attack, what the fuck. They even took the button off the bars entirely for new characters somewhat recently.
 

mxgt

Banned
Moaradin said:
Well good news for you then. Bioware feels those things break apart a server community and they are totally against cross server dungeon finders. Right now at least.

I'm glad to hear that
 

Morn

Banned
Moaradin said:
Well good news for you then. Bioware feels those things break apart a server community and they are totally against cross server dungeon finders. Right now at least.

They didn't rule out same server dungeon finders like Rift did though.
 
Moaradin said:
Bioware feels those things break apart a server community and they are totally against cross server dungeon finders. Right now at least.

I'm happy you added the last sentence. Because this is Bioware aka design-a-game-via-a-focus-group. Expect cross-server finder to be added within 3-6 months after release.
 

Won

Member
BattleMonkey said:
Fuck game design, just allow dual specs to appease the end game raider whining instead of creating properly balanced encounters. Heck why even bother with specs at all? Just let every character have access to all roles at once. It's all just to appease the raiders who want to quickly play through endgame content to get their loot and just want it to go faster and easier. I can understand it behind helpful in that regard but to me it greatly kills the rest of the game with loot dispersion, uniqueness of characters, and generally the point of rpg time investment. For PVP I always supported as said before as pvp and pve is a huge problem balance wise for all games, and many games have figured that out and instead of allowing dual specs, you have a pve and pvp spec.

Not sure why you hate on dual specs then. All your problems with it would exist with or without dual spec.
 

Gvaz

Banned
I don't mind dungeon finders. They make it easier for people to get groups going. So a bunch of people with no life want to sit in the city waiting for a dungeon queue to pop because they don't have to interact with people? That's cool I guess.

If you had such a problem you still have the choice of being in a guild and just asking in gchat if someone wants to do a group.
 

Morn

Banned
Gvaz said:
I don't mind dungeon finders. They make it easier for people to get groups going. So a bunch of people with no life want to sit in the city waiting for a dungeon queue to pop because they don't have to interact with people? That's cool I guess.

If you had such a problem you still have the choice of being in a guild and just asking in gchat if someone wants to do a group.

But even then people use Dungeon Finder due to the rewards doing a random gets you.
 

CzarTim

Member
Billychu said:
I really hope they put in pod-racing because if czartim's podracing skills are anything like his Trackmania skills...heh
:(

I was playing on my keyboard since I couldn't find my wired 360 controller. Picked a new one up today though!
Second to last place, here I come!
 

Xiaoki

Member
Morn said:
But even then people use Dungeon Finder due to the rewards doing a random gets you.
You can still use the Dungeon Finder with your friends and guild mates and get the same rewards.
Won said:
Fuck game design
Fuck profits too. If they need WoW level subscription numbers just to stay afloat because of the enormous budget then they better be prepared to match WoWs game design all the way.
 

AtomHeart

Neo Member
I got to try out imperial agent (operative spec) and sith warrior (marauder) yesterday at gamefest on both the Alderaan PVP map and huttball, both were pretty damn fun, definitely enjoyed huttball more though!

Seemed as though the operative had a lot of straightforward single target healing abilities and not much else, though there were quite a few disable abilties and poisons I could use on other players which was pretty awesome. Though when I was playing I zoomed the camera in and it sorta wouldn't zoom out again making it perma first person, so Chris the EU community manager let me have another go, which was nice because the waiting time was over an hour and a half to play.

I definitely had a lot of fun as the marauder, the leap ability is absolutely amazing because you can leap upwards to players on platforms above and and down below which makes you feel like a bad ass when you surprise someone.
 

Emitan

Member
CzarTim said:
:(

I was playing on my keyboard since I couldn't find my wired 360 controller. Picked a new one up today though!
Second to last place, here I come!
Keyboard controls are way harder in T2 because of all the drifting required. I used to place top in servers with a shitty Mac keyboard in the first game.
 

Takeda Kenshi

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AtomHeart said:
I got to try out imperial agent (operative spec) and sith warrior (marauder) yesterday at gamefest on both the Alderaan PVP map and huttball, both were pretty damn fun, definitely enjoyed huttball more though!

Seemed as though the operative had a lot of straightforward single target healing abilities and not much else, though there were quite a few disable abilties and poisons I could use on other players which was pretty awesome. Though when I was playing I zoomed the camera in and it sorta wouldn't zoom out again making it perma first person, so Chris the EU community manager let me have another go, which was nice because the waiting time was over an hour and a half to play.

I definitely had a lot of fun as the marauder, the leap ability is absolutely amazing because you can leap upwards to players on platforms above and and down below which makes you feel like a bad ass when you surprise someone.

This is me all the way, although I plan on going DPS as my primary spec. Can't wait.
 

cmoyano

Banned
so i have two accounts for beta, one i will use..the other, i dont know what to do for it...got reinvited, waiting for build to come out. I want to be nice and maybe give one out...would the be illegal? lmao
 

cmoyano

Banned
If you want an SWTOR BETA ACCT, PM me with a good reason why you deserve to play this beta, or give me 5 reasons why dragon age 2 sucked or beat me in a game of super street fighter AE on PC. Make your choice. Gamertag is on my profile info. Thanks for playing!
 

Sigfodr

Member
cmoyano said:
so i have two accounts for beta, one i will use..the other, i dont know what to do for it...got reinvited, waiting for build to come out. I want to be nice and maybe give one out...would the be illegal? lmao
Not quite illtgal, but Bioware may ban it if they IP tracked the registration. The new user might want to contact Bioware and mention that they "moved", but then Bioware mihht question the e-mail, (since I doubt you'd share the e-mail account with the recepient. If it was me, I'd just roll the dice and download it.

This answers my question about a single person registering with multiple e-mails. Wife and I both registered but neither of us have gotten in.
 

cmoyano

Banned
my people, do not worry bout the limitations by bioware. My first account i used with 3 ppl, i live in argentina, while my other friends used it one in florida the other in nyc. Nothing will happen, this other acct has never been used so first timers will use it under their IP.

Ill PM winner by tomorrow night.
 
Castor Krieg said:
I'm happy you added the last sentence. Because this is Bioware aka design-a-game-via-a-focus-group. Expect cross-server finder to be added within 3-6 months after release.
Bioware caved pretty quickly on dual specs and same-sex romances. I don't think they are going to hold out much longer against other strident demands.
 
FieryBalrog said:
Bioware caved pretty quickly on dual specs and same-sex romances. I don't think they are going to hold out much longer against other strident demands.

What did they cave on? Last I saw it would be "possibly looked at post launch but not certain." Have a new source?
 

cmoyano

Banned
just to remind ppl: I am giving away one SWTOR beta acct here is what you need:

If you want an SWTOR BETA ACCT, PM me with a good reason why you deserve to play this beta, or give me 5 reasons why dragon age 2 sucked or beat me in a game of super street fighter AE on PC. Make your choice. Gamertag is on my profile info. Thanks for playing
 

Deadly

Member
cmoyano said:
just to remind ppl: I am giving away one SWTOR beta acct here is what you need:

If you want an SWTOR BETA ACCT, PM me with a good reason why you deserve to play this beta, or give me 5 reasons why dragon age 2 sucked or beat me in a game of super street fighter AE on PC. Make your choice. Gamertag is on my profile info. Thanks for playing
Closed beta or weekend beta?
 

cmoyano

Banned
Sorry for not specifying, this contest is for the CLOSED BETA, the longterm beta not the weekend beta. It includes the newest build.
 

cmoyano

Banned
swtorbetakey.jpg


not too many people seem excited about this offer...I am offering a CLOSED BETA ACCT for someone. It is not a weekend beta, but the full closed beta invite. If you want in, PM me with the following:

1) One good reason why you want to be on this Beta
2) 5 Reasons why Dragon Age 2 sucked
3) Challenge and beat me to a match on SSFIV: AE on PC.

Picture is just to show you that it is real and that i am just waiting for the build. This is a brand new acct, never used. I gotta keep posting cause I can tmake threads yet and this is the only way to get attention to you guys. I will give the winner access by tomorrow night.

Thanks for playing!
 

cmoyano

Banned
The Teachinator said:
Why do you care so much? Jeesh.
lmao, you know why man? because there are others who are waiting to try this out and i got two invites and i dont even enjoy the game as much, so why not? good deeds my man, thats what its all about. Give someone else a chnace. Why so hostile?
 
cmoyano said:
lmao, you know why man? because there are others who are waiting to try this out and i got two invites and i dont even enjoy the game as much, so why not? good deeds my man, thats what its all about. Give someone else a chnace. Why so hostile?

Quite admirable. I for one am excited to try the game, so PM sent.
 

Yaska

Member
cmoyano said:
not too many people seem excited about this offer...I am offering a CLOSED BETA ACCT for someone. It is not a weekend beta, but the full closed beta invite. If you want in, PM me with the following:

1) One good reason why you want to be on this Beta
2) 5 Reasons why Dragon Age 2 sucked
3) Challenge and beat me to a match on SSFIV: AE on PC.

Picture is just to show you that it is real and that i am just waiting for the build. This is a brand new acct, never used. I gotta keep posting cause I can tmake threads yet and this is the only way to get attention to you guys. I will give the winner access by tomorrow night.

Thanks for playing!
bit offtopic, but whatcha used to get your desktop to look like that? Also I only have SSF4 on PS3 :( no participating for me
 

Jira

Member
Moaradin said:
Well good news for you then. Bioware feels those things break apart a server community and they are totally against cross server dungeon finders. Right now at least.

People will bitch for it ASAP just like they did with Rift, I give it a few months post launch and it'll be in.
 

cmoyano

Banned
Yaska said:
bit offtopic, but whatcha used to get your desktop to look like that? Also I only have SSF4 on PS3 :( no participating for me
of course you can participiate it is ONE of the three, not all lol
 

cmoyano

Banned
sorry for being unclear on my posts, you guys only have to do ONE of the requirements, not all of them lol. Sorrya bout the confusion. Am getting some great answers, this is going to be extremely hard! Ill PM winner tonight Good Luck
 
cmoyano said:
sorry for being unclear on my posts, you guys only have to do ONE of the requirements, not all of them lol. Sorrya bout the confusion. Am getting some great answers, this is going to be extremely hard! Ill PM winner tonight Good Luck
Don't trust this guy - he has his taskbar at the top of the screen.
 

Yaska

Member
cmoyano said:
also i used rainmeter for my desktop...deviant art has a bunch of rainmeter themes and skins you can combine.
Cheers. Will do some modding to my desktop. I need a good Star Wars theme hurrhurr.
 
Morn said:
This isn't a RPG, it's a MMO and companies have learned that you can't follow rigid RPG rules in a MMO and maintain a subscriber base large enough to keep the game alive.

Exactly, because MMO's used to be RPGs, and many still are labled as such, but RPG elements keep getting removed to appease so many different crowds who just treat MMO's as a second job instead. And dual specs for PVE are simply there to please end game crowd.

Gvaz said:
Aww yeah I fucking love hyperbole!

Like the Hyperbole of those who don't like dual specs equating frustration to difficulty? Give me a break. Dual specs really just give a free pass for dungeon/raid design. Many of the other issues people have are very valid and have displeased many for a long time. But as with anything the vocal majority get what they want, and the long term end game players don't want to deal with frustrations and time sinks, they want to perform their grinds faster and easier so they love these changes. It pleases many, but doesn't mean everyone is going to love it. But what are we going to do, the damage has been done. We just gotta suck are thumbs and pout.
 
maabus1999 said:
What did they cave on? Last I saw it would be "possibly looked at post launch but not certain." Have a new source?

First there was that:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/25/old-republic-skyrim-on-same-sex-couples/

Here's the IN YOUR FACE part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZH610XP1es (watch for the answer @ approx. 3 minutes in)

Then they changed it:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/09/14/same-sex-relations-in-swtor-post-release/

Same gender romances with companion characters in Star Wars: The Old Republic will be a post-launch feature.


What did I tell you about design-via-a-focus-group?
 
Castor Krieg said:
First there was that:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/25/old-republic-skyrim-on-same-sex-couples/

Here's the IN YOUR FACE part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZH610XP1es (watch for the answer @ approx. 3 minutes in)

Then they changed it:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/09/14/same-sex-relations-in-swtor-post-release/




What did I tell you about design-via-a-focus-group?

They are just placating possibly. I doubt they will add it for other reasons related to gameplay, PC aside.

They could do it in an expansion though. Which is "post-release." However, right now people are really that concerned about this and how it affects gameplay huh?
 
maabus1999 said:
They could do it in an expansion though. Which is "post-release." However, right now people are really that concerned about this and how it affects gameplay huh?

I don't think people were concerned about not including homosexuals, Lucasarts and George Lucas had a firm stand on that for 30 years now ("no homosexuality in Star Wars universe"). I think more people are concerned about Bioware going back on their word within 20 days. Who is making this game? Bioware or focus groups?

I don't really care either way, the lack of almost any meaningful media by now means that the game is probably a trainwreck. You don't see Blizzard having issues with people streaming D3 Beta.
 

LowParry

Member
Castor Krieg said:
I don't really care either way, the lack of almost any meaningful media by now means that the game is probably a trainwreck. You don't see Blizzard having issues with people streaming D3 Beta.

Is there even a beta going on? In the end, I'm hoping this gets pushed to 2012. It just seems like a better timed launch and by then, all this extended testing will be done to BioWare's satisfaction.
 
Castor Krieg said:
I don't think people were concerned about not including homosexuals, Lucasarts and George Lucas had a firm stand on that for 30 years now ("no homosexuality in Star Wars universe"). I think more people are concerned about Bioware going back on their word within 20 days. Who is making this game? Bioware or focus groups?

This is not true, it has appeared in various SW licensed products already, including gay characters in the KOTOR series of games. No such thing has existed, and the myth came from the posting on a forum which quickly spun out of control on it's intent.

It's also not a stand against homosexuality, but that the concept of words. Gay relationships just exist, it's not a topic or a "word", it's considered just a natural thing in the SW universe.
 
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