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StarCraft 2 Beta |OT| (Beta Now Reopen, GL HF)
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Freakinchair
Member
For the infinite mind control bug - keep in mind that the unit has to be a certain distance away or else the mind control is broken. So it might not be too powerful, but in the right hands I can see it being overpowered. We'll have to see in the pro SC2 casts if the players start using it.
Here's what you can do with the new Neural Parasite. You can take control of any unit (other than air, I don't know about Colossi) and remain in control of that unit as long as the unit does not travel beyond the now rooted Infestors range.
You can take control of an enemy worker, It will allow you to build a Base building, Gas building, pylon/depot. If your enemy has tech'd further, it shows those later units as available but won't let you build any of it. If you build a CC you can then use the scv produced from that CC to start making Barracks and tech with that races tech. The Mind Controlled SCV can build later tech buildings once the CC SCV starts the initial tech tree beyond base buildings.
You don't get a new unit supply limit in addition to your existing one, like you did in SC1 with Dark Archons Mind control. So building Terran or protoss units count towards your zerg supply limit.
You can take control of an enemy worker, It will allow you to build a Base building, Gas building, pylon/depot. If your enemy has tech'd further, it shows those later units as available but won't let you build any of it. If you build a CC you can then use the scv produced from that CC to start making Barracks and tech with that races tech. The Mind Controlled SCV can build later tech buildings once the CC SCV starts the initial tech tree beyond base buildings.
You don't get a new unit supply limit in addition to your existing one, like you did in SC1 with Dark Archons Mind control. So building Terran or protoss units count towards your zerg supply limit.
ZealousD said:
No offense man, but I've experienced first hand how strong Neural Parasite is pre-patch 5, regardless it can target air units or not. Now that its forever, that's just stupid. You really have to be in the beta to experience these little knicks and knacks, you can't get it from just watching streams/replays.
TurtleSnatcher
Member
So no patch today?
mint - I won't be on until late tonight.. hopefully you got late night 2v2 ladder in ya.. We are so close to placement
mint - I won't be on until late tonight.. hopefully you got late night 2v2 ladder in ya.. We are so close to placement
Minsc
Gold Member
TurtleSnatcher said:So no patch today?
mint - I won't be on until late tonight.. hopefully you got late night 2v2 ladder in ya.. We are so close to placement
Besides the one that was quoted a little bit up that nerfed Zerg and Protoss?
TurtleSnatcher
Member
pshh was on a diff page.Minsc said:
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God what terrible patch notes.. Infestors ? Barely anyone used em and they nerfed stick them except making their mind control better... I somehow doubt we will see many of these since their gas cost is ridiculous
Burrow nerfed.. i can kinda understand but I dont get the hydra nerf.. shoulda been roaches that got more of a delay or something.
I love how nothing happens to MMM.. argh.
EDIT2: Btw I know this is beta and they are tweaking things slowly but surely.. but I wanna bitch now
EDIT3: Wait Infestors can mind control while burrowed? Just heard about this...
TurtleSnatcher said:pshh was on a diff page.
EDIT:
God what terrible patch notes.. Infestors ? Barely anyone used em and they nerfed stick them except making their mind control better... I somehow doubt we will see many of these since their gas cost is ridiculous
Burrow nerfed.. i can kinda understand but I dont get the hydra nerf.. shoulda been roaches that got more of a delay or something.
I love how nothing happens to MMM.. argh.
EDIT2: Btw I know this is beta and they are tweaking things slowly but surely.. but I wanna bitch now
EDIT3: Wait Infestors can mind control while burrowed? Just heard about this...
Wat.
TurtleSnatcher
Member
aznpxdd said:
I just saw a post on blizz forums saying that you can use its skills while burrowed..
And it explains why they nerfed its life and burow run speed because u can latch onto an enemy u are mind controlling and with the new change.. it will be yours for good as long as it stays latched on.. so someone will need to scan the area or have a detector to see where the infestor is to take him out and kill the channeling.. or just kill your own unit.
if this is the case.. then that makes complete sense and I wish I knew .. :lol
People really need to start using HT's more. I honestly think feedback and storm are two of the strongest spells in the game. Feedback can outright kill casting units or make them useless, and it only costs 50 energy. It was one of my favorite spells to use in SC1 with DA...always catch people off guard.
Fuuuuuuu
Hazaro said:
Fuuuuuuu
PhoenixDark
Banned
mint said:
I don't see them often, but when I do they seem ridiculously OP. I wasn't surprised at all to see them nerfed.TurtleSnatcher said:pshh was on a diff page.
EDIT:
God what terrible patch notes.. Infestors ? Barely anyone used em and they nerfed stick them except making their mind control better... I somehow doubt we will see many of these since their gas cost is ridiculous
Burrow nerfed.. i can kinda understand but I dont get the hydra nerf.. shoulda been roaches that got more of a delay or something.
I love how nothing happens to MMM.. argh.
EDIT2: Btw I know this is beta and they are tweaking things slowly but surely.. but I wanna bitch now
EDIT3: Wait Infestors can mind control while burrowed? Just heard about this...
Ice Monkey
Member
oh come on, am I missing something? Hydras aren't as nerfed as you guys are making out. They do like 10 attacks in the same time they used to do 11, is that really SO BAD OMFG?? I WISH my hydras would last 10 attacks before one of the two armys was clearly the winner.
build one more hydra before your push, problem solved.
build one more hydra before your push, problem solved.
yes, that's true, but the casting infestor is still un-controlled for the duration of the neural parasite right? so you're basically just trading one unit for another, and the infestor is completely vulnerable for the duration. when the mind controlled unit dies you re-gain control of the infestor, or if the infestor dies the opponent regains control of their unit. i'm assuming that's the case for this redesign... can anyone confirm?Hazaro said:
neural parasite also doesn't target air units any more.
Lord Phol
Member
Gwaaah vent! 5 times in a row I've bang gangrushed in 2v2, and can't do a fricking thing, protoss really don't have anything for them in the beginning like quick roaches or supply depots with marines protecting.
Please say Im doing something wrong and there's som tactic that will make me survive the first rush.
They always traget me.
Me wrong, this time my ally got targeted and killed, and nicely stated "my ally is an idiot, fucking idiot".
Please say Im doing something wrong and there's som tactic that will make me survive the first rush.
They always traget me
.Me wrong, this time my ally got targeted and killed, and nicely stated "my ally is an idiot, fucking idiot".
HarryDemeanor
Member
Well I happen to have an extra SCII beta key sitting around in my e-mail inbox. So, I've decided to give it away to one of you lucky GAFers. Only to people who haven't gotten into the beta yet! No greedy people!
First person to PM me gets it!
First person to PM me gets it!
sent, oh please let it be me ;_;HarryDemeanor said:Well I happen to have an extra SCII beta key sitting around in my e-mail inbox. So, I've decided to give it away to one of you lucky GAFers. Only to people who haven't gotten into the beta yet! No greedy people!
First person to PM me gets it!