Ice Monkey
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on another note, every week/patch that goes by that isn't this fabled patch with 3v3, 4v4, new maps and mac client a little part of me dies inside. WHAT'S TAKING SO LONG BLIZZARD?!
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Ice Monkey
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yah panda has it right.
also, thing that scares me: any hydra fully in a psi storm before it ends will now die...
Sure, micro them out of there, but like your last 4 or 5 will be kaput if they stay the whole duration while trying to leave. if you dont micro them out then goodbye hydras.
also, thing that scares me: any hydra fully in a psi storm before it ends will now die...
Sure, micro them out of there, but like your last 4 or 5 will be kaput if they stay the whole duration while trying to leave. if you dont micro them out then goodbye hydras.
You know, it just seems like there isn't as much incentive to get a Stargate anymore. Phoenixes are more of a reactive unit, not a proactive one. You might send 1 or 2 against Zerg as Overlord snipers but their overall usefulness is questionable. Void Rays are only useful in the early-mid game as base snipers, and that's just been nerfed. The carrier is the only real threat in there now, and going that route really hurts you in the mid game.
Well, that's not including the changes to its +Armored, which is the real meat and potatoes of the void ray. That only affects it's abilities to go toe to toe with something like marines or stalkers, and since its armor got knocked down that means it dies faster to those units too.
Pandaman said:
Well, that's not including the changes to its +Armored, which is the real meat and potatoes of the void ray. That only affects it's abilities to go toe to toe with something like marines or stalkers, and since its armor got knocked down that means it dies faster to those units too.
Ice Monkey
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ZealousD said:
well with as awesome as they made gateways with warp gate, its like zerg levels of reactionary production on demand so both robo fac and stargate have been demoted to support units building 3 or 4 times slower than anything out of a warp gate, not to mention needing travel time as well compared to warp gate if you have proxy pylons or prisms set up.
The Lamonster
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I'm a Terran player and I think the changes are good. I was never any good with the MMM ball so maybe my personal tactics will be more effective now...especially with the tank and Thor buffs.
Heh overall interesting patch.
Protoss users will obviously be the most pleased, as you can argue all day about the VoidRay changes, but its undeniable that the changes to marauder fundamentally change early TvP pressure, and kills alot of the initial marauder fear. Roach shields going down by 1 is pretty huge, and the hydra nerf is big as well.
As a T user, obviously it sorta sucks, but I mean, I suppose I can see the reasoning, the changes to Tanks are really a non issue though, I would much rather have seen a mineral/gas decrease or hp/dmg buff as opposed to 5 seconds faster, which since were on faster, it probably like 2-3 seconds differential. Meh. The thor timing is alot bigger, though I never really use em in my matchups, maybe this will give me some incentive.
Protoss users will obviously be the most pleased, as you can argue all day about the VoidRay changes, but its undeniable that the changes to marauder fundamentally change early TvP pressure, and kills alot of the initial marauder fear. Roach shields going down by 1 is pretty huge, and the hydra nerf is big as well.
As a T user, obviously it sorta sucks, but I mean, I suppose I can see the reasoning, the changes to Tanks are really a non issue though, I would much rather have seen a mineral/gas decrease or hp/dmg buff as opposed to 5 seconds faster, which since were on faster, it probably like 2-3 seconds differential. Meh. The thor timing is alot bigger, though I never really use em in my matchups, maybe this will give me some incentive.
raphier said:
It's damage against buildings in the early stage has had a -1 damage, and +1 damage when fully charged. But because there's no intermediate charge anymore, that means it'll take much longer to start doing real damage to a CC.
Quick question for Protoss/Zerg users.
How does a Protoss deal with Zerg? I seriously lack matchup experience against them because most games I've played so far have been against Terrans or Protoss. I really don't know how to behave against a Zerg or how to react to what I see when I scout them.
One game I saw a spawning pool going up at a time that seemed early to me. I figured it was a zergling rush, so I quickly put down a second gate and chrono boosted a few zealots. Then I got owned by roaches.
Another game there was a very long travel distance between the two bases, and I tried to poke at his base with stalkers, only to end up being fended off by zerglings, chased back to my own base and subsequently contained because I had to fight off mutalisk harassment. I figured the other guy would take a base in the meantime, so once I thought I was relatively safe and had a somewhat decent army I tried to move out again. That desperation move got me surrounded and run over by a muta/ling combination.
How does a Protoss deal with Zerg? I seriously lack matchup experience against them because most games I've played so far have been against Terrans or Protoss. I really don't know how to behave against a Zerg or how to react to what I see when I scout them.
One game I saw a spawning pool going up at a time that seemed early to me. I figured it was a zergling rush, so I quickly put down a second gate and chrono boosted a few zealots. Then I got owned by roaches.
Another game there was a very long travel distance between the two bases, and I tried to poke at his base with stalkers, only to end up being fended off by zerglings, chased back to my own base and subsequently contained because I had to fight off mutalisk harassment. I figured the other guy would take a base in the meantime, so once I thought I was relatively safe and had a somewhat decent army I tried to move out again. That desperation move got me surrounded and run over by a muta/ling combination.
Akuun said:
You need to make a ball. Of zealots, stalkers and sentrys. When I play against protoss and they go zealot heavy -> speedlings. If they advance, I rush their base to dust. If they go stalker heavy -> speedling for obvious reasons.
But the combination of those both with the sentry shield is deadly.
Oh and if you are on lower levels, remember to abuse the cannons.
TurtleSnatcher
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Early scout. Good choke (sometimes with canons if you arent confident in your micro).Akuun said:
Some sentrys/stalkers/few zealots to block off. Then tech fast to Immortals if u see roaches. If you see hydras you may want to think of large infantry + collosus or high templars. Agst air.. Stalkers should hold you well while you canon up.
The Lamonster
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So what does the Maurader shoot if he doesn't have concussive shells?
TurtleSnatcher
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Non-concussive shells.The Lamonster said:
The Lamonster
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TurtleSnatcher said:
Never change, Gaf. :lol-COOLIO- said:
TurtleSnatcher
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Right now the strongest rush in the game is the baneling bust. Can break through zealot chokes and supply depots with zlings just charging in and causing mass chaos.
My guess is that Marauders still shoot the same missiles, but the upgrade adds that daze effect.
Yeah, I always try to confine my choke (but not a full wall-off). I don't think it ever hurts to do so.
I'm actually less comfortable with my macro than I am with my micro. My game falls apart quite grandly on the macro front as soon as it moves on to the mid game, because I have to manage the income from multiple bases.
Thanks, I'll try to explore the HT route more. The dilemma that Protoss have is that if you're going for Immortals, it only makes sense to continue the route and go for Colossi, since HTs come from a completely different tech route. As such, I've been favoring Colossi far more than templars in any matchup. Colossi splash damage feels just as effective as psi storm, except they require less micro and don't consume energy. Except they don't hit air, of course.
Yeah, I always try to confine my choke (but not a full wall-off). I don't think it ever hurts to do so.
I'm actually less comfortable with my macro than I am with my micro. My game falls apart quite grandly on the macro front as soon as it moves on to the mid game, because I have to manage the income from multiple bases.
Thanks, I'll try to explore the HT route more. The dilemma that Protoss have is that if you're going for Immortals, it only makes sense to continue the route and go for Colossi, since HTs come from a completely different tech route. As such, I've been favoring Colossi far more than templars in any matchup. Colossi splash damage feels just as effective as psi storm, except they require less micro and don't consume energy. Except they don't hit air, of course.
Blizzard is giving away keys at random times on their facebook page for the next 3 weeks.
I hope you guys have your F5 fingers ready.
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I hope you guys have your F5 fingers ready.
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Procarbine
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TurtleSnatcher said:
I feel like most Terran these days have a Hellion or 2 when I get there, I head out after I hit 33 supply if I'm rushing, with 32-34 zerglings, morph 5 into banelings and go in. Even after the wall is busted, the hellions just end me so fast.
Weeeee, I defeated everyone in FFA. There was one player harassing me, he nuked my CC's 3 times I think. Went in for retaliation took out his expo, then massing up more forces and took out his main (dude had a ton of turrets, getting in was a pain with my banshees). Then I took on the other two players, one by one. MMM balls, Banshees, Vikings and eventually BC's.
Feels good to win when you lose 70% of the time :lol
Feels good to win when you lose 70% of the time :lol
CharlieDigital
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Akuun said:
On a pure unit basis?
High Templars - they are a Zerg player's worst nightmare.
Dark Templars - come in a close second.
Phoenix - nothing more annoying than having to manage and protect your (slow moving) overlords.
MisterAnderson
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I agree with making concussive shots for Marauders an upgrade, in fact I suggested it on the beta forums. Although I actually would have preferred it being either more expensive or further down the tech tree to where it actually was a more late game upgrade to Marauders, in a similar way that Charge is a late game upgrade for Zealots.
Lovely Salsa
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How do I get into the beta?!
TurtleSnatcher
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CharlieDigital said:
Overlord speed is 50/50 and takes liek 60 seconds to research. Its a given for most people who hit lair.
Likewise... making an Overseer over DT's takes 20 secs
HT's are a big threat.. totally agree. Phx can be too if you have no AA.
Ice Monkey
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Lovely Salsa said:
