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StarCraft 2 Beta |OT| (Beta Now Reopen, GL HF)
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MisterAnderson
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Can't wait to see what they do to the Ultralisk!
thestopsign
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Yaweee said:
The game definitely crashed, but I didn't have to restart my computer when I quit out.
A friend and I are doing pretty well for ourselves in 2v2. We both play Zerg, so we both go roaches in the beginning and do a small push if we can (normally single out protoss if we can), then split up into hydras from one guy and mutas from the other. Works pretty well, we are 3-1 in our placements so far (and the one loss was his first time ever playing).
The patch made the game seem a bit more buggy, not sure if that was just us or not, my partner dropped near the end of one of our games, fortunately we were winning at that point, so we still won.
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Okay, I spent a couple hours messing around.
First off, the Very Easy AI is fucking retarded. Even with my shitty skills, my final resource graph after the game shows mine increasing at a rate at least 5x his.
I'm using Protoss now, as I was told it was the easiest to learn. Regarding my "micro", what's the best way to go about this? I've been mapping the Nexus to "1" and spamming Probe and Chrono Boost. I map a single Drone to "2" and use it solely for building new structures. I map the first Gateway to "3", and then if I build a second Gateway (I do), I use Shift + 3 to add it, so I can control both at once.
It's also my understanding that sending any more than 3 probes to each Assimilator for Vespene is a waste of time, correct?
After I build Probes + Pylons + Gateway + Assimilator + Gateway (my initial order), from there, it looks like I should either expand out with a second Nexus, or maybe a Cybernetic Core so I can build units other than Zealots. Which should I build first, the Stalkers or the Sentries? What are the differences between these two units?
I then think I build a Robotics Facility to I can make an Observer to go check out what's up, and then maybe the Aircraft making facility (whatever it's called) because Void Rays seem to be fucking awesome. After this I really have no idea what to do, I usually mass my combined forces and roll down to my opponent's base and maybe fuck up his economy, I don't know.
Tips? Recommendations?
First off, the Very Easy AI is fucking retarded. Even with my shitty skills, my final resource graph after the game shows mine increasing at a rate at least 5x his.
I'm using Protoss now, as I was told it was the easiest to learn. Regarding my "micro", what's the best way to go about this? I've been mapping the Nexus to "1" and spamming Probe and Chrono Boost. I map a single Drone to "2" and use it solely for building new structures. I map the first Gateway to "3", and then if I build a second Gateway (I do), I use Shift + 3 to add it, so I can control both at once.
It's also my understanding that sending any more than 3 probes to each Assimilator for Vespene is a waste of time, correct?
After I build Probes + Pylons + Gateway + Assimilator + Gateway (my initial order), from there, it looks like I should either expand out with a second Nexus, or maybe a Cybernetic Core so I can build units other than Zealots. Which should I build first, the Stalkers or the Sentries? What are the differences between these two units?
I then think I build a Robotics Facility to I can make an Observer to go check out what's up, and then maybe the Aircraft making facility (whatever it's called) because Void Rays seem to be fucking awesome. After this I really have no idea what to do, I usually mass my combined forces and roll down to my opponent's base and maybe fuck up his economy, I don't know.
Tips? Recommendations?
watervengeance
Member
In case anyone didn't know, you can press W to access all your Warpgates. Don't need to hotkey them at all.
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24702401934&pageNo=1&sid=5000#12
Found the post about the quit on exitt.
So would you say that it is very easy to defeat?
You're confusing "macro" and "Micro" i think. Macro is building/economy/srategy, micro is unit control/tactics.
One of the big benefits of protoss is that they don't need to keep a probe working, they can send it right back to minerals.
Stalkers and Sentries are entirely differnet units, and actually complement each other quite well: Sentries have an ability which lets you place down a temporary force field which acts as a physical wall: enemy units must go around it or be blocked. Stalkers, being ranged units, can fire from behind it.
One thing is that you should try to get your cyber core a bit faster if your fighting terran, because you need some range to fight early terran units better than zealots (which are pure melee)
Found the post about the quit on exitt.
Feep said:
So would you say that it is very easy to defeat?
Feep said:
You're confusing "macro" and "Micro" i think. Macro is building/economy/srategy, micro is unit control/tactics.
One of the big benefits of protoss is that they don't need to keep a probe working, they can send it right back to minerals.
Stalkers and Sentries are entirely differnet units, and actually complement each other quite well: Sentries have an ability which lets you place down a temporary force field which acts as a physical wall: enemy units must go around it or be blocked. Stalkers, being ranged units, can fire from behind it.
One thing is that you should try to get your cyber core a bit faster if your fighting terran, because you need some range to fight early terran units better than zealots (which are pure melee)
MisterAnderson
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Feep said:
Blizzard is aware the AI is retarded, the only reason they are in the beta is to allow players a sandbox mode to screw around with build orders and learn the tech tree, etc. They want people playing against other humans in the beta.
Just so you know, base building/economy managing is referred to as "macro" while micromanaging your units during battle/movement is "micro." And as far as hotkeys go, it's really up to preference, I usually group all of my main production buildings/tech buildings with my Nexus to '5' that way I can chrono boost them clicking the portrait (what gives? I can't do this anymore? How do you chrono a building without physically clicking on the structure now?) I also don't have 1 idle worker standing around specifically built for building structures, I usually take one off my mineral like and shift build/shift move back to my mineral line so that he goes back to mining as soon as he's finished. Granted this is a case by case basis as I would probably have a worker idle around if I know I'm going to need him to build something soon after.
Correct.
Unless you're doing a double Gateway Zealot push because you're trying to pressure a FE or something, I would say you should pretty much always get a Cybernetics Core before you expand with your Nexus. And if you're against Terran you almost always want to get one stalker out ASAP to negate any early Reaper harass (scout for this against Terran, always). If he's clearly not going for Reapers I tend to get a Sentry first so that should they do an early Marauder push, I can block off my ramp using force field and/or use guardian shield against them.
When you reach the point where you can build a Robotics or a Stargate it is pretty much up to you to do what you think is best given what your opponent is doing. Example: if you're playing a mirror match against another Toss and you scout out a Robotics being made and his force consists of lots of Zealots and not many Stalkers or Sentries, it might be good to skip Robotics and go straight to Stargate since he is lacking anti-air units. If you ever do something like this though, it's a good idea to research Hallucination so you can scout with a hallucinated Phoenix from your Sentry(s) until you get Observers later on.
Try not to always do one strategy. Scouting is the most important thing in this game and you should learn how best to react to what your opponent is doing, and the only way to get better at that is to practice. Also I noticed your build order was "Probes + Pylons + Gateway." You shouldn't be making more than 1 Pylon before your Gateway.
Well...I mean...yeah, but...webrunner said:
>.>
Ah. I just sort of meant my "keyboard tactics", since getting good with shortcuts is clearly the key to a quickly moving economy.webrunner said:
Which is why I can use one probe to build everything. Cool.webrunner said:
So if I'm running into battle with Zealots, Stalkers, and Sentries, what's the best way to go about laying down a barrier and telling Stalkers not to go beyond it? Should I hotkey each individual type of unit to three different keys and control them that way? Because picking small units out from a quickly moving battlefield seems ridiculous.webrunner said:
Gotcha.webrunner said:
I played today for the first time in about half a week (my laptop really can't handle this game...) only to find I got demoted to bronze. Rank 90 in bronze, to be exact (from 40~ silver). I decided this was an opportune time to try out a new strategy. I'm 3-0 with it so far. :lol
reps!
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reps!
http://www.multiupload.com/FCAP6QM52S
thestopsign
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Yaweee said:
I mean, I'm probably not as good as you, but I found that Brood Lords make Collosi irrelevant. I only played one game that went that long so far, but I baited some of his stalkers forward with a few roaches, away from his Collosi killed them. Then moved in with Brood Lords and focus fired his remaining stalkers and his Collosi were toast after that. It only took 3 BLs too.
Edit: Wait, are you saying that those corruptors were upgraded into Brood Lords, because wouldn't they be useless other wise (besides for their ability I guess)?
Orangepeel
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What theeeeeeee? Some of the changes in patch 11 are pretty interesting. Being mostly a zerg player I'm really interested in the corrupter and pheonix changes. Mostly I'm worried of how hard a counter the pheonix is to mutas, like really hard right? Sucks, though I guess I saw it coming, that parasite requires an upgrade now, as well as more energy :/
Of note, they say they've got ultralisk changes incoming
Of note, they say they've got ultralisk changes incoming
thestopsign said:
Collosi count as both ground and air units as far as targeting is concerned, so air-only units can still hit them (and that includes missile turrets). So Corruptors and Broodlords are both good Zerg counters to them.
Regardless, watching the replay made it clear how effective broodlords would have been. I was trying to upgrade to them, but it had come too late.
thestopsign
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Yaweee said:
Hmmm... good to know about that. Thanks.
MrCompletely
Member
Jokey665 said:I played today for the first time in about half a week (my laptop really can't handle this game...) only to find I got demoted to bronze. Rank 90 in bronze, to be exact (from 40~ silver). I decided this was an opportune time to try out a new strategy. I'm 3-0 with it so far. :lol
reps!
http://www.multiupload.com/FCAP6QM52S
watched your replays, you won each game inside of 4 minutes!
Were these just normal ling rushes? I might be too noobish to see what you did there.
Haha yeah it's a 6pool, the fastest ling rush you can do. You build your spawning pool without ever building any drones. If it fails you're completely fucked, but if it works it's a pretty guaranteed win. The first game was a test run that went surprisingly well, and the third felt like I was running a well-oiled machine. The build is so easy it's ridiculous. It's a good thing I'm only in bronze right now, though! :lolMrCompletely said:
I was actually pretty scared the second game, against the Terran. I saw the wall and the bunker and almost gave up hope, but I managed to down the depot before the marine got out, somehow.
Jokey.jokey
USA
high bronze~low silver player right now.
I'm not on often right now because of my shit laptop sucking at life, but once i get my desktop up i'll be playing pretty much nonstop. For now I'm up for games whenever I'm online, just don't be surprise if I randomly leave in the middle; that's my computer overheating and forcibly shutting itself off.
USA
high bronze~low silver player right now.
I'm not on often right now because of my shit laptop sucking at life, but once i get my desktop up i'll be playing pretty much nonstop. For now I'm up for games whenever I'm online, just don't be surprise if I randomly leave in the middle; that's my computer overheating and forcibly shutting itself off.