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StarCraft 2 Beta |OT| (Beta Now Reopen, GL HF)
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The Lamonster
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Yeah they should at least put it on the online stat ranking. Actually, have they said anything about online stats?watervengeance said:
close to the edge
Member
Everyone needs to watch this best-of-5:
http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/3700887/
Socke vs Mardow (PvZ), two German players I didn't know before but that's a bunch of super epic games.
http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/3700887/
Socke vs Mardow (PvZ), two German players I didn't know before but that's a bunch of super epic games.
OptimoPeach
Banned
Just go by your overall rating and correct anyone that says, "I'm rank # derpderpderp in division Chronic Diarrhea."watervengeance said:
http://www.starcraftrankings.com Not being maintained at the moment since they're pulling the beta again so soon, but it was a pretty nice resource before the last ladder wipe, and he apparently intends to keep it runningThe Lamonster said:
ChronicleX
Banned
mcrae said:
Nope - I am making statements based on the experiences of around 9 people with a 100% rate. You are just an zealous towards my presence, which I am starting to grow tired of due to how boring your attempts have become.
Edit -
now for somin completely different.
EU toruny games done, but i'll wait for nin todo the update on tat though.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Starts the F5 spamming for blizzcon tickets :lol
watervengeance
Member
Skeyser said:
I do recall playing against the same person multiple times though. (So frustrating if I lose to them more than once!)
DurielBlack
Member
Effect said:
Yeah it sucks, I saw he had something on itunes and downloaded it, was excited it was only something like 40mb..
it was audio-only :-(
I have a super crap internet connection at home, a 40mb video takes about 2 hours to download since my ISP has decided to start throttling my connection during the daytime to 15kps on downloads.
And of course all those sites like youtube, blip, and ustream are blocked where I work. I was really steamed when he left Livestream because for some reason its not blocked. I wanted to download some videos onto my ipod, and figure ipod versions should be pretty small since the screen resolution is low.
lawlohwhat
Banned
What's the best way to stop a baneling bust in 2v2 as terran? Scouting + mass marines from 2x reactor raxx with almost no gas? That's all I can really think of.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
They are like 1hr of nice quality videos. Its not bad that they are about 200-500MB since the newer ones are HDEffect said:
watervengeance
Member
lawlohwhat said:
I believe you have to wall off with Barracks/Factories instead of Supply Depots. It's a lot harder in 2v2, because you have twice the amount of units attacking you. The very best way to prevent this is to scout it early. If you notice the zerg player getting early gas, then it's possible he'll do a baneling bust. Put a worker at the Xelnaga Watch Tower as well. If you see it coming, you absolutely need your ally to be in position to help you.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Caved and bought 2 Blizzcon tickets, was going to get 3 but 2 should be fine. 
lawlohwhat
Banned
watervengeance said:
I guess walling with rax/factories makes more sense. Five banelings busted through my bunker and it was over. I was about 30 seconds from having siege tech researched, too. Seems like a really easy way for double zerg to get cheap wins.
watervengeance
Member
lawlohwhat said:
But if you successfully avoided the bust, then a counterattack will most likely win you the game. If you have a Protoss partner, Forcefield works as well.
close to the edge
Member
I just started playing Zerg a bit more. Won two practice games against my 2v2 partner yesterday and I'm starting to really like it. I went 14 Pool, 16 Hatch and Zerglings + Roaches and if he went air I built a bunch of Hydras. Worked out very well, except against early Zealot pressure. I guess that's mostly because my timings are still pretty much non-existent and so it takes me longer to get my defenses up than it should.
close to the edge said:
Had huge problems with zealot pressure too until yesterday.
This is how I deal with it:
13gas
14pool
You will have 100 gas as soon as the pool finishes. Now you take the 3 drones off the gas and assign them to minerals again.
Now you can get the very vital speedling upgrade asap or get 4 roaches with the 100 gas.
Orangepeel
Member
If you know your opponent is going mass zealots you shouldn't be getting zerglings in the first place, you need to go straight to roaches since with the smallest amount of micro they completely rock paper scissors them. Scout, scout, scouuuut!
You don't really need to screw around with your economy that much. If you know for a fact lets say the dude is going to fast fast fast zealot rush you with even his first z's or he successfully proxies you don't freak out. make a sunken in your mineral line, keep all your buildings built very close together, make your queen "H" for hold and stick here in a pot to shoot them without being hit. Just regular 13 pool into a gas with three drones, make 2 or 4 zerglings to hit his zealots, but you only want them attacking IF he's in your line hitting your sunken so that it's essentially being the tank. Don't forget queen has her life regen spell, and get that roach den up.
You don't really need to screw around with your economy that much. If you know for a fact lets say the dude is going to fast fast fast zealot rush you with even his first z's or he successfully proxies you don't freak out. make a sunken in your mineral line, keep all your buildings built very close together, make your queen "H" for hold and stick here in a pot to shoot them without being hit. Just regular 13 pool into a gas with three drones, make 2 or 4 zerglings to hit his zealots, but you only want them attacking IF he's in your line hitting your sunken so that it's essentially being the tank. Don't forget queen has her life regen spell, and get that roach den up.
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ChronicleX
Banned
NIN90 said:
With that method you would get destroyed by "proper" zealot pressure, as the zealots would destroy your lack of lings, and surround your roaches if you make any. I say this everytime, do not take games vs me toxic as a helpful experience :lol
The best way to defend against it without spinecrawlers on short maps is to rush roaches by skipping your queen.
ChronicleX
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F#A#Oo said:
Warren before queen you braindead simpleton.
ChronicleX said:
I used to think like this, and make crazy moves so I could use my early resources to make lings/roaches, and it just isn't viable. If you hatch around 15, get 2 queens, focus on your economy, and scout properly, then you can see what is coming your way and with spawn larva you can pop 10+ roaches or 20+ lings at a moments notice.
Skipping your queen is just a bad idea and doesn't work.
If you kite the early zealot rushes with a few zergling in around your base with your queen too that alone it buys you enough time do pump out a ton of roaches...there after it is entirely up to you whether you want to stick with more roaches or get that metabolic boost to compliment.
Aesthet1c said:
Against Zerg I will generally open with 3 or 4 zealots and leave my scout at the opponents natural. If he is FE it, his hatch will start at around the time my 3rd zealot is done (from 2 gate). I will keep pumping out zealots and send them to the middle of the map and move them in so they arrive just as the hatch is completing. Usually there are only lings there (and maybe a Queen, but not usually). I will then build another gate... and then another, and keep the pressure coming... I can usually take down the hatch fairly easily and there will be a lot of resources spent trying to defend. During the battles I will get my cybernetics up and start mining gas and researching warp gate. Once I take out his hatch I will expand and then it is usually just a proxy pylon and a couple of immortals until victory. I have a really high win rate with this build against Zerg.
The best part is that if he doesn't FE, I've only invested in a few zealots that are used to finish the wall at my base and I can go directly into stalkers/immortals and eventually a 4 gate robo.
I am not sure what the best defense against this is as it has worked ALOT for me. The key is getting to the hatch before there is a queen there.
ChronicleX
Banned
Aesthet1c said:
Only if you do not apply pressure back on the Protoss. The whole point of skipping the queen is not to defend against the pressure, but to apply your own and expand.
ChronicleX said:
I could see this being viable if you can get roach out fast enough and your opponent is dead set on going mass zealot at the beginning. If you can get 3-6 roaches and apply pressure when all your opponent has is zealots you should be able to micro them well enough to not get surrounded.
That being said, once you get those few roaches out, you should get your queen (and I don't think Chronicle was suggesting otherwise)
ChronicleX
Banned
Cru Jones said:
Correct. Just play as normal and if you scout 2xgateway just skip your queen straight into a warren. If you scout 1 gate make queen as normal and do whatever you want from there.
LaneDS said:
You should build near your ramp and ensure that you get a sentry up asap (and a couple more to back him up) to stop the tier one units from getting in. Once you get some stalkers and immortals use the FF to only let in a few at a time and whittle down their force this way. They will pull back (if they are smart) and you should be able to expand at this point with your superior units. From there, you just need to keep your econ advantage and start applying pressure with more advance units that will take out zealots and stalkers.
Edit: This was in regards to 2v2
ChronicleX
Banned
I cannot speak for 2v2 but for 1v1 just wall off and match him zealot for zealot. Since he is in your base you will eventually overpower his zealots due to yours arriving faster, so you can push back. If he has proxied then do the same but once you have defended the first 3/4 zealots just send 2 of your zealots to his base and go nuts on his probes, he'll be unable to defend since his gateways are too far away.
Was trying to sober up after the Hawks loss last night so I jumped into a 1v1 that was PvP. Dude cannon rushed me and took out my main and natural, so I relocated across the map and loaded up on void rays! Ended up winning, the other guy was so angry, he was talking shit the entire time and I was too drunk to even type.
Orangepeel
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ChronicleX said:
Wat wat waaat? You can't supplement your production without a queen, they are absolutely vital to zerg. You's crazy...
watervengeance
Member
Oh boy... here we go again.
watervengeance
Member
Calantus said:
Sensor Towers are quite awesome.
ChronicleX
Banned
Pandaman said:
You really need to start watching more of TLO's replays :lol
Bisonian said:
Well if your account is not a joke then you have made it one with your stupidity.
watervengeance
Member
Can we get a mod to ban this guy? He's obviously trolling, and now he's even flaming people.
ChronicleX
Banned
watervengeance said:
I am flamed no-one. However you lot have been trolling / flaming me for many pages now. I am surprised you have not been banned yet since you are not contributing to this topic by posting such things.
Retaliation is not flaming, it is defence. You are flaming me, I retaliate. Retaliation is allowed, your flaming/off-topic posts are not. Do the math.
ChronicleX
Banned
LaneDS said:
It was retaliation but too extreme due to the level of flame. I am not the one going through the topic saying "that is stupid" or "ban this guy" etc etc, I am merely defending myself from the swarm of stupidity.
Also by talking about this here the trolls win, so back to SCII.
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The Lamonster said:
So what I have just quoted is not you trying to bait and start one with me? I would like to see some examples of this so called shitting up I am supposedly doing that is not me responding to the stupidity.