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Stock-Age: Stocks, Options and Dividends oh my!
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artredis1980
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ArtG said:
-690 DOW
Ether_Snake said:
Okay, that's much more clear. I guess what I would say is that oil demand is much more closely tied to *actual* economic activity (movement of people and goods) than with the sort of hallucinated wealth you're referring to.
And yeah, demand is off just a smidge. Look at the IEA's forecast demand reductions compared to daily demand - it's in the tenths of a percent:
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Alright let's see in two years!;p
Xisiqomelir
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What do you guys think about the short ETFs like DXD? I'm pretty sure there'll be at least one more wave of bad news and panic selling coming up in the next few months.
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Xisiqomelir said:
Think the Dow will go down more? Buy. Think it will go up? Don't
No one can tell really, and it's sort of late IMO. You could be a millionaire now if you bought shorting ETFs of all sorts recently.
Xisiqomelir
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Ether_Snake said:Think the Dow will go down more? Buy. Think it will go up? Don't
Yeah, I think I'll pick some up. GM is a huge clusterfuck and Disney is going to have its worst Xmas ever.
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Well look at http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=...=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined
How much do you expect to make? To make a decent return the Dow would have to go lower than it has in the past 3 months. Just saying, since it's now at 88 and its highest was 94.
EDIT: Wow, Marvel has done nicely over the past year, this crisis did nothing to it http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=...=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined
How much do you expect to make? To make a decent return the Dow would have to go lower than it has in the past 3 months. Just saying, since it's now at 88 and its highest was 94.
EDIT: Wow, Marvel has done nicely over the past year, this crisis did nothing to it
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=...=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefinedEther_Snake
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Something I was reading just now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Japan_That_Can_Say_No
I'm reading about the Japanese recession and found this interesting. While they are typically overly-prideful in their assertions, I agree completely with Morita's views on the way American businesses conduct themselves in general:
* American business focuses too much on money games like mergers and acquisitions, and not enough on creating real goods and manufacturing power.
* American business focuses too much on short term profits, such as moving manufacturing overseas, while sacrificing long term overall livelihood.
* American company executives receive too much income, which hurts their companies.
* Employees in Japanese companies form a tight community, so overall results are better.
* The trade surplus with the U.S. is caused by the lack of desirable products made in the U.S.
* U.S. businesses are strong in basic research, but not in product development and marketing
* It is natural for the Japanese government to protect Japanese businesses, as it relies on their tax revenue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Japan_That_Can_Say_No
I'm reading about the Japanese recession and found this interesting. While they are typically overly-prideful in their assertions, I agree completely with Morita's views on the way American businesses conduct themselves in general:
* American business focuses too much on money games like mergers and acquisitions, and not enough on creating real goods and manufacturing power.
* American business focuses too much on short term profits, such as moving manufacturing overseas, while sacrificing long term overall livelihood.
* American company executives receive too much income, which hurts their companies.
* Employees in Japanese companies form a tight community, so overall results are better.
* The trade surplus with the U.S. is caused by the lack of desirable products made in the U.S.
* U.S. businesses are strong in basic research, but not in product development and marketing
* It is natural for the Japanese government to protect Japanese businesses, as it relies on their tax revenue.
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Saw that earlier today, any other big banks released or will release their earnings soon?
Ether_Snake said:
while it is mostly true the current Japanese business environemtn is moving away from traditional keiretsu's. Now employers are less likely to guarantee lifetime employment so the community thing may start breaking apart.
It was great during the 80's and 90's but it seems to truly compete on a global markte they gotta change.
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Well I think Japan's corporate mentality has held onto old aspects of its culture that are useless; excessive pride, racism and sexism. I have often criticized the way Japanese companies are run in the game industry compared to here; employees rarely switch companies which means talent and knowledge remains sedentary. Here in the game business, just in Montreal for example EA and Eidos's studio are full of former Ubisoft employees, and Ubisoft's studio has people from the UK too, some left for the US, etc. This allows knowledge to move from one company to another, and add to this shows like the Game Developers Conferences, Siggraph, etc. We share a lot of info here among competitors thanks to how people can move from one company to another more easily.
But what they say is true about American businesses. They think about "How can we make more money" instead of "How can we make better products/services". Just because you figure out how to make more money doesn't mean you're going to do better in the long run. They think too much on a short-term basis, proping up the companies to sell them rather than focus on success to bring about value.
Google is a company I feel doesn't fall in the typical American model, they focus on doing things right, which brings money in the end.
But what they say is true about American businesses. They think about "How can we make more money" instead of "How can we make better products/services". Just because you figure out how to make more money doesn't mean you're going to do better in the long run. They think too much on a short-term basis, proping up the companies to sell them rather than focus on success to bring about value.
Google is a company I feel doesn't fall in the typical American model, they focus on doing things right, which brings money in the end.
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Tideas said:
Too many to name, no way to be certain.
Ether_Snake said:
No doubt. There are some "values" out there, but the short-term moves mean that you have to be prepared for large moves in stocks that shouldn't be getting 6-10 percentage point swings and have a long-term outlook on them.
If that's what you're asking, there's tons of values. But I don't think there's any reason to splurge and buy your whole position at these levels--there's more downside risk to be factored in, it appears.
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Yeah, my first BHI purchase was at 65, then today at 32. I expect more falls in anything I buy at this point, too much uncertainty for me to hope to make some money on the short term. But long term I'm not worried. My plan is just to continue to contribute what I can in stocks, mainly in very strong companies from here on, reshape my 401k and raise my contributions to it once I get a raise in April (that's so far away).
EDIT: BIDU reported some good earnings. Down AHs tho but whatever.
).EDIT: BIDU reported some good earnings. Down AHs tho but whatever.
This market is so crazy right now. BIDU has good earnings report but still down. I bought BIDU last week after saw GOOG had a good quarter.Ether_Snake said:Yeah, my first BHI purchase was at 65, then today at 32. I expect more falls in anything I buy at this point, too much uncertainty for me to hope to make some money on the short term. But long term I'm not worried. My plan is just to continue to contribute what I can in stocks, mainly in very strong companies from here on, reshape my 401k and raise my contributions to it once I get a raise in April (that's so far away
EDIT: BIDU reported some good earnings. Down AHs tho but whatever.
RumblingRosco
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Tideas said:
CVS, WAG, MMM, WMT, MSFT, NKE, CAG, MAR, HD are all on my list of stocks I'm watching (already bought into MMM and CAG during the last few weeks). I need to look more into their balance sheets, but they're all companies worth taking a look at if you're looking for 5+ years. Short term, I wouldn't touch them, since I don't see anything major happening that'd boost them.
Xisiqomelir
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Ether_Snake said:
Well, DXD is double-inverse and I expect the Dow to eventually bottom at 7200-7500, so I guess 22-30%.
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Xisiqomelir said:
Ah right double-inverse. Anytime I look at ETFs I look for a double
Xisiqomelir
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Ether_Snake said:Ah right double-inverse. Anytime I look at ETFs I look for a double
QID is just single-inverse, no?
EDIT: Ooh, guess not.
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ArtG said:
Well to be fair there is a lot of bad news on the global front. If you mean company-specific, yeah I agree.
The thing is I think that since a lot of people lost massive amounts of cash over the past two months there has been massive amounts of short-term investments as a result to make up for their losses. I think a lot of people are looking at the share price day-today trading motions to evaluate a sell because they need money now and thought they would make money now.
All of this can only shake out weak hands/short term profiteers out I'd guess, or move to them to shorting stocks.
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Why is Chrystler making such a piece of crap?
http://gas2.org/2008/10/22/chrysler-to-launch-peapod-electric-cars-worldwide-in-2010/
Like the guy says in the comments this is a $20,000 electric golf car. What a waste.
EDIT: Nikkei down 550pts.
http://gas2.org/2008/10/22/chrysler-to-launch-peapod-electric-cars-worldwide-in-2010/
Like the guy says in the comments this is a $20,000 electric golf car. What a waste.
EDIT: Nikkei down 550pts.
Nintendo down ANOTHER 10% on the nikkei. Apparently exports rose less than expected. For a stock with such a high minimum buy-in domestically (in japan) Nintendo has some skittish fucking investors. I never want to hear Yamauchi bitch about US shareholders being quick to bail again.
Thinking of jumping in on DOW chemical for the long haul. They're up significantly in pre-market, but still just above 1999/2000 price levels. CEO committed to dividends this morning, which are at a 7% yield at the current stock price levels.
EDIT: Sony cut their forecast dramatically below analyst estimates, largely on currency concerns. This bodes poorly for Nintendo next week, despite being much more profitable. Japan needs to do something to weaken the yen.
EDIT: Sony cut their forecast dramatically below analyst estimates, largely on currency concerns. This bodes poorly for Nintendo next week, despite being much more profitable. Japan needs to do something to weaken the yen.
jamesinclair
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I set some buy limits on WEN(dys) for 3.14 and they executed today. I think it's a great deal.
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gkrykewy said:
I'm looking at POT, but I'm not sure when I'll be able to make a purchase unless I sell ATVI (my only gain right now, and I don't really want to sell it now).
BA is still really interesting, but I gotta pick and chose and it's not at the top of my list.
WFR earnings today, not confident about this one but I'm curious. Solars are tanking.
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Take that Greenspan: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aJ8os6vTknLk&refer=home
He admits regulation was needed. Free-market fails.
He admits regulation was needed. Free-market fails.
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gkrykewy said:
Why?
EDIT: Ratios look good.
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Ah yeah I wouldn't buy it now. I don't want to sell ATVI below 15, and even if I did sell it I have other stuff I'm more likely to put money into right now.
eznark: a bit late? we're going down right now
eznark: a bit late? we're going down right now