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Suicide Squad Review Thread: As Fresh As Green Lantern!
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At places like Gaf yeah....but on Rotten Tomato they're worshipped...and the general public doesn't care about "weak" villains...they just wanna see Tony Stark and Cap and Groot and all the hoopla.
Mix Master
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I dunno, Lord of the Rings? There isn't a more unlikeable protagonist as Frodo, and still, the story is so well executed you can't help bu fall in love with the world. The Hobbit has a better MC, but a far worse story.
This a Marvel thread now brehs
this is true for every single fuckin memorable movie in the history of movies, almost. dont get it wrong, I wasnt talking about Marvel
bananafactory
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Certainly not for all films, but I'd argue that in superhero films about people in underwear fighting over magic portals and gems or whatever, yeah, story really isn't as important as some think.
dude is this real life
The Lord of The Rings is miles better than The Hobbit precisely because they spend a lot more time on the characters, who they are, establishing them, their relationships, making them different, making you care
you gave like the worst example possible. I dont know the name of one of those fucking dwarves who are literally ALL THE SAME character with slight variations for all I care
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Sometimes, yes.
Be honest though, there are plenty of forgettable clunkers in the MCU. If everything was as complete a success as GOTG, I'd say fine, but to be truthful, the way I see it their hit-to-miss ratio isn't entirely dissimilar to, say, the Star Trek movies.
EdisonTrent
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Okay, going to call you out on that one. Synder is a cinematography fetishist. He chased amazing shots and stills (with admittedly hamfisted symbolism) to the detriment of the rest of the movie. It's debatable what the definition of 'better' in this case is, whether it's impact on the overall product should be the judge of it's quality or the cinematography itself in isolation, but looking at it with screenshots? It's clear there are a crap ton more in the Superman films.
bananafactory
Banned
I don't know man, this is subjective but I think the Lord of the Rings have some of the best, most likeable, well acted protagonists in any blockbuster.
The story is certainly excellent to but it's as much about the characters journey, it not more.
This is true, but it shouldn't be that out there, I mean, yeah you could probably just do a verbatim one hour and a half cartoon episode in Live Action, but what's the point then? I always like it when studios try to reach more with their apparently bland properties (a case to show, Captain America).
And you noticed it because the story was so bad when it fell down to you just not liking the characters, it didn't do it either. There are many films with absolutely unlikeable characters which are still good. Both things are VERY important, one cannot function properly if the other is.. damaged.
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Since when has Frodo been considered unlikeable?
Mr. Pointy
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Fast & Furious series says your wrong.
Come on...most people who love those movies never read a comic book in their life.
The Atticus
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Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Yes it is.
Mix Master
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He Wasn't Damaged enough.
Pandora012
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I imagine they lost a bet.
top rated films of 2016:
Everybody Wants Some
The Nice Guys
Deadpool
Zootopia
all these films are about characters first and foremost, by a wiiiiiide margin.
shit. The Nice Guys is ONLY about characters. The plot resolves itself and nothing happens, nothing gets changed. It's entirely about knowing those characters and going through the journey with them
plot is something to put characters you spent time making the audience care IN
Everybody Wants Some
The Nice Guys
Deadpool
Zootopia
all these films are about characters first and foremost, by a wiiiiiide margin.
shit. The Nice Guys is ONLY about characters. The plot resolves itself and nothing happens, nothing gets changed. It's entirely about knowing those characters and going through the journey with them
plot is something to put characters you spent time making the audience care IN
GravityInsanity
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He bet himself if Suicide Squad ends up being rotten, he will DAMAGED himself.
Dude, dude, why? It's too hilarious!!!
like I said in the post above, plot is the context and setting
you can have great characters in a lacking barebones story and still make a great film
the opposite aint true.
im not saying you can function with just one, im saying one is FAR more important
consequently almost all Marvel movies operated with this in mind, hence why audiences get more attached to em
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
The Nice Guys was great.
Imagine Ryan Gosling as Matt Fraction Hawkeye.
Imagine Ryan Gosling as Matt Fraction Hawkeye.
That goes under Understanding their characters.
Like... they aren't about to have Ant-man explode through someones rib cage on film. That would be retarded.
EdisonTrent
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None. There are a 100 different ways to making an entertaining movie, I'm not saying what Marvel is doing is special in that way I'm saying the fact that they do it often is nice.
I guess your last comment says it all. We just have a different definition for what is 'praiseworthy'. Maybe my standards are too low. It's just a subjective thing.
This is true. But now that you put it that way it sounds different than what you said first.
Mix Master
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If the superhero bubble bursts hollywood gonna be lookin jank as hell. Disney would send the rest of the Mcu to abc family
BronsonLee
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WHY NOT
The Driver
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Fuck that. He's already in the WB ecosystem like Tom Hardy. Daddy Gosling is gonna end up as jobber Hal Jordan and you will love him. Meet your new favorite super hero!
broncobuster
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Much closer to that considering how altered Scott Lang, Starlord, Tony Stark, Black Widow, etc. are. It's smart if at times homogeneous when written poorly, as in AoU.
#notmyantman
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Eh, we went through this with BVS and I really enjoy that movie, and the extended cut is a great watch.
I'll watch it and trust my own judgement. Wonder if they're planning an extended cut for this as well
I'll watch it and trust my own judgement. Wonder if they're planning an extended cut for this as well
Mix Master
Member
Everyone cant be as edgy as SNYDER's of Hanover
Yabberwocky
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it's almost like the secret to films and scripts being good and memorable and fun since the dawn of the entire medium is focusing on characters rather than story
Because of the .gif I read that in Judy Garland's voice, made it super weird.
Discotheque
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What?! No not at all. The way you describe it almost sounds like you didn't even watch the nice guys lol. Shane Black movies are mostly plot oriented. it spends a majority of the time dealing with and progressing that porn murder mystery. Only movies on that list that you can make a case for are everybody wants some and maaaaaybe Deadpool.
I just think it's something very common and I dont know how people dont discern it when talking about film
heck, any fiction writing
character is EVERYTHING
99 percent of story structure in your usual film is all the same. character has issue character overcomes it
when you talk about classic films opposed to garbage that both featured the same 3 act structure the thing that sticks like a sore thumb is that the classic film ussually nails and spends time with the characters in it to create an emotional attachment
Guardians is an exceptionally pretty movie. The difference between him and Snyder though is that's not the only thing he can really do, and as such, the pretty visuals work to supplement the rest of the movie rather than be the bulk of what's appealing.
Oh, and the putz I was referring to in the screenshot thread is indeed
Ahasverus
ElBoxyBrown
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Making characters likable is not new to Ayer. He's done it before with Fury. He managed to make Shia the most likable sympathetic character in the movie. Maybe WB is asking a lot out of their talent.
Pandora012
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I think they might. Seems like editing was an issue again, so they probably took out some scenes.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Put a goatee on him and he's Green Arrow.
this is the most bananas shit i've ever read
Shane Black has a formula which relies entirely in having 2 likeable characters and the relationship between them
you can put Riggs and Murtaugh in ANY fuckin zany situation and it would work because those characters are so developed and you CARE about them so much, and have so much fuckin fun with them, always
he solidified those characters and their relationship to a fuckin diamond
plot is COMPLETELY secondary. It's a murder mistery thing that goes A, B C
then another movie A, B, C
but it's with those guys, and you love em, so it's fuckin great
you're not getting it. sure Nice Guys spends time "advancing the porn mistery", it's a movie, the plot goes forward
but all you get while advancing that shit is character moments. tons and tons of character moments
it's all he does
I feel like im taking crazy pills
shit Nice Guys was originally pitched as a series because it's a fuckin golden formula that works on any situation you put them in
The Hermit
Member
unlike BvS, I am actually sad now
EdisonTrent
Neo Member
Woah. Story? Or events that shape the character arcs of the Fellowship? Because the story itself..... The trials and battles in LOTR would mean nothing without the characters. Characters provide stakes and context. LOTR would be just a bunch of traveling, fighting, and set pieces without the characters and that would be shit. Oh wait, I just described the Hobbit trilogy.
BronsonLee
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Hey Disco
I didn't watch The Nice Guys either
I didn't watch The Nice Guys either
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