You aren't really considering the point that years of solo massive budget films were made as the foundation.
It was a 'team movie' made of individuals who the audience was made to understand as important on their own.
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You aren't really considering the point that years of solo massive budget films were made as the foundation.
It was a 'team movie' made of individuals who the audience was made to understand as important on their own.
AoU is a lot like Dark Knight Rises, it suffers from both trying to better the previous film creatively and the director being burnt out.
I still think it's a great film, though. It just doesn't have the same discipline in the second act that the first Avengers had.
I can't compare it to BvS as I haven't seen the latter yet.
I still think it's a great film, though. It just doesn't have the same discipline in the second act that the first Avengers had.
I can't compare it to BvS as I haven't seen the latter yet.
I suggest you watch Moviebob's Really That Good on Avengers, it explains it far better than I do, but there's a meta-theatrical element to the first Avengers that you don't see in most team movies.
I don't necessarily think AoU and BvS share many problems, just that I don't see what problem you'd have with AoU that can't be found in an amplified form in BvS. I thought AoU was an enjoyable, if slightly underwhelming follow up to the original Avengers. BvS on the other hand was a shit show from beginning to end that I got no pleasure from. It was a boring mess filled with awful character beats, puzzling acting, and even action sequences that failed to land.
Discotheque
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That point wasn't brought up in the post I quoted tho. Nor is that some big obstacle to overcome either. I think y'all overestimate that issue when it comes to the avengers and now justice league.
The real problem they had to figure out was who gets priority screen time since they all had their own movies before. And we all know who won that battle (and deservedly so)...the guy with the goatee and two working eyes
ThoseDeafMutes
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It's not like you have to be insane to enjoy parts of BvS, if you're entertained by the same dull cgi spectacle we get at the end of every major action movie these days, BvS has you covered. If you enjoy more grounded, intense fight scenes, BvS has the best one ever put into a superhero movie. Zimmer and Junkie XL continue to make excellent sound tracks. The film has no shortage of visually beautiful scenes. Jeremy Irons shocked me with how much I liked his Alfred, despite modest screen time. Batfleck killed it (in addition to killing several goons, of course).
The problems of the film are well documented, but with the 27% RT rating, 1 in 4 people looking past its problems and still finding it an enjoyable experience sounds about right from the people I've talked to.
Primethius
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Holy shit, I hadn't checked the RT rating in a bit. 31%?
I thought it was in the high 40's going off the title. Wow, wonder if it'll drop below BvS.
I thought it was in the high 40's going off the title. Wow, wonder if it'll drop below BvS.
30% Has a legit shot at going under BvS.
Dash_Riprock
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If this trend continues...
Primethius
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Oh, guess mine hasn't updated yet. Damn. Yea, it's looking likely.
GravityInsanity
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Expect a hundred more reviews between today and tomorrow. This might end up worse than BvS.
Yes, there are some things I think BvS did well, obviously. I too thought the opening sequence in Metropolis was riveting. But I'll just rewatch that sequence on YouTube if I'm ever compelled to see it again, because the whole of the film is a muddled mess that, for all the talk about its action sequences, is surprisingly boring.
But seriously, I enjoy watching bad movies as well. I've sat through and enjoyed every shark movie Asylum has released on Netflix, with 3 Headed Shark Attack being my personal favorite. BvS is just a hard bad movie to enjoy.
Boombloxer
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It did, some folks are refusing to accept that BvS and MoS were nowhere close to Marvel Tier.
I'm still seeing this, but my expectations are in the basement.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
I think it'll level out now. 30 and above.
Diprosalic
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European reviews will probably hit next week-ish. I can't see them liking it much.
Oh well Robbie Collin should still be worth listening toDJ Lushious
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I assume every reference to BvS is for the theatrical cut, right? I watched the Ultimate Edition over the weekend and found it fun and hardly aligning with some of the hate. I won't say BvS was a great film, but I also won't say BvS was dogshit. At least with the UE, I found much to like about the film. It's flawed, absolutely, but still entertaining.
Stan Lee defended him too.
https://twitter.com/TheRealStanLee/status/760921005711695873
He's still going to carry that weight tho. 😏 😏 😏
I wouldn't assume that at all. I find the extended cut to be essentially still a mediocre movie punctuated with a few good moments. Many others do too. It certainly didn't fix the core issues and in no way is the extended BvS cut improving things like say Kingdom of Heaven cut.
I get people can enjoy it but the moment you apply general film criteria to it (character development, internal logic consistency, thematic purpose and consistency, etc) it falls apart. Sure it has some decent action here and there and the actors try hard (and on occasion succeed particularly Afleck and Irons) but as a film overall it's mediocre at best hence the general critical view.
Dash_Riprock
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"Polished turd is still turd."
The rampant hate around AoU always seemed odd to me, especially from people who loved the first Avengers, since I don't think it's that appreciably different. Not as good, mind you, but I still think it's pretty enjoyable and interesting, if unwieldy. More TDKR than Spider-Man 3 imo.
And against BvS, there's no comparison. :lol Better character beats, better action, and a better Superman in Vision than what Snyder has done over two movies.
I don't think it's all that different from some of the stuff he did in Watchmen tbh. His take on Superman is pretty heavily rooted in Dr. Manhattan.
You can't even turn your brain off to enjoy it because it takes an hour for shit to really get started. It's a "leave the room and come back halfway through" popcorn flick, if anything.
And against BvS, there's no comparison. :lol Better character beats, better action, and a better Superman in Vision than what Snyder has done over two movies.
I don't think it's all that different from some of the stuff he did in Watchmen tbh. His take on Superman is pretty heavily rooted in Dr. Manhattan.
You can't even turn your brain off to enjoy it because it takes an hour for shit to really get started. It's a "leave the room and come back halfway through" popcorn flick, if anything.
Was trying to be kind but you are right.
Atraveller
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Do you guys mean "I have my phone out browsing twitter and only raise my head when something good was on screen" watch or watch watch?
Dash_Riprock
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OléGunner;212431118 said:
Its sad cause I can already imagine the pure venom the critics are going to spit her way regarding her acting abilities. I just hope she has thick skin.
I agree. Cavil is a shit superman though, not his fault given the shitty direction/script he seems to be stuck with. Hopefully Tyler Hoechlin is better on CW.
Just got out of SS, it was decent and I had a good time. No where near as bad as BvS which I hated. Can understand the complaints but it's not as bad as the reviews make it out to be, atleast for me. It definitely a bit disjointed and the middle third drags but the cast makes up for it.
The one big takeaway for me is that this really felt like a comic book film, like literally pages from a comic book which makes me intrigued for future future DC films. I really want to see the Joker and Harley in the solo Batman film now
The one big takeaway for me is that this really felt like a comic book film, like literally pages from a comic book which makes me intrigued for future future DC films. I really want to see the Joker and Harley in the solo Batman film now
He's a better character than Cavil's Supes by far.
There seems to be a tendency to turn at famous people.
Whedon was a "holy shit, so awesome!" addition to Marvel. Now he is dragging precious Marvel down and has to GTFO.
Lawrence had fanclubs here. Now she is treated like she kills puppies in her free time.
Nolan was a demi-god. Now Stuntmandoinggoofythings.gif and he is of course overrated.
Of course not all act this way, but the shift of tone is noticeable.
Kat Dennings as Darcy in Thor is a better character than Cavil's Superman.
Dash_Riprock
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imo, Vision comes closer to being a "God" than Superman does in these movies and is a better Jesus allegory in AoU to boot without the need for hamfisted religious imagery
buuuuut I know the DCEU fans of gaf loved what Snyder did with those ideas in both MoS and BvS, and the messiah/Godhood undertones in AoU is perhaps too subtle for some people to find appealing. I doubt my opinion is shared by the majority.
MCU Vision isn't really the traditional comicbook Superman character anyway (neither is Snyder's Superman tbh).
bangbang i'm a timpani
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that is the most confusing thread title i've ever read. rotten scores are based on % so you're saying its 15% better than the % scores they have or something?
old manatee
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I don't think Gal Gadot is a bad actor. She is at least as good as Chris Hemsworth. I don't want either to get cast in movies that require actual acting, but she can certainly play Wonder Woman.
What bums me out is someone like Brie Larson playing Captain Marvel when she could be doing real work like Room and Short Term 12.
What bums me out is someone like Brie Larson playing Captain Marvel when she could be doing real work like Room and Short Term 12.
Rottenscores are based on the Question if the movie is good or bad. If its good, its gets a +1 on the one side, of its shit, it gets a +1 on the other.
And then the percentage is calculated.
Whoa, hold up. Hemsworth was brilliant in Rush. Not his fault most of his directors don't ask him to do anything other than charm.
No, but Captain America is everything I wanted the big blue boyscout to be.
A wise but fallible leader, standing for truth, justice, and the American way, who is charming and down to earth yet rises to heroism when the need is great, who doesn't hide his powers in fear of prejudice but openly does everything in his power to save lives, even before his powers arrive. A people's champion, who from the start would give his life for others. Selfless. The hero OTHER heroes aspire to be.
That should have been Superman.
ElBoxyBrown
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I expect a Thor level performance from Wonder Woman except a little more commanding in her tone.
When Superman is described like this, it's cheesy. When it's Captain America, FUCK YES!
Superman is running his course.
When Superman is described like this, it's cheesy. When it's Captain America, FUCK YES!
Superman is running his course.
RubberJohnny
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Yep, used to be a huge Superman fan, now after all these shitty movies (including Returns) don't care for him. Marvel got me now with Cap.
ThoseDeafMutes
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No he means he's confused because RT is given in percentage points, while the title says one is 15% better than the other. Percentage vs Percentage Points is often unclear, I did a double take first time I saw the new title also, like "holy crap did it jump 10% overnight?"
Still say a Cap film where it's him tracking Bucky while BP also tracks Bucky could've been God tier. That fan service was fun but man, a more focused WS direct sequel would've been next level.
For the kind of Superman that Snyder is going for? I think Vision is definitely the better realized version of that kind of "alienated god" characterization.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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real work doesn't pay near as much and isn't a guarantee for work of multiple years.
SchrodingerC
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Almost forgot, cross quoting from the Double Toasted thread:
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