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[Banana Aeon]

The big reason people like persona so much (at least 3 and 4) is because of the characters. I'm fully expectig it to play better but I'm not expectig to like the characters more.

Well, unfornately, I don't like the characters nor the gameplay, so P5 has a lot to prove in my eyes.

 

[skLaFarebear]

That's the thing, though. I'm one of those nuts that doesn't give a shit about the combat or gameplay of Persona 4. I love it solely for the writing, characters, style and music. And motherfucker do I love those parts.

I'm pretty sure that almost everyone that loves p4 doesn't love it for the combat.

 

[Phantasmal Repose]

I'm pretty sure that almost everyone that loves p4 doesn't love it for the combat.

I'm pretty sure that everyone that loves Persona doesn't love it for the combat.

 

[semisonic]

P5 is one game that's actually really easy to make better than the previous entries. Like, really easy.

That' s a stretch.
I mean, sure, it definitely has strong potential to be better than the previous ones, doubly so considering the trailer. But if it was so easy for a game to be better at persona than 2, 3, and 4, we'd have gotten one by now.
And we haven't. So calm down there til we get more info.

 

[Aaron-Lagann]

I'm pretty sure that almost everyone that loves p4 doesn't love it for the combat.

It could literally have any gameplay and my love would stay the same. It being better or worse in 5 is completely irrelevant to me.

Just make it Puzzle-Quest or something. Don't give a fuck.

 

[RecursiveFault]

The big reason people like persona so much (at least 3 and 4) is because of the characters. I'm fully expectig it to play better but I'm not expectig to like the characters more.

They could easily do better in regards to story. Characters, maybe.

Bring back demon negotiation. Its so simple. Talking to people that aren't party members is so fucking boring when you can talk to demons instead.

Maybe...

 

[skLaFarebear]

Maybe...

I wanna S-link with Mara tho ;__;

I'm pretty sure that everyone that loves Persona doesn't love it for the combat.

I thought Persona 1 had the greatest combat system in the megaten franchise though?

 

[RecursiveFault]

That' s a stretch.
I mean, sure, it definitely has strong potential to be better than the previous ones, doubly so considering the trailer. But if it was so easy for a game to be better at persona than 2, 3, and 4, we'd have gotten one by now.
And we haven't. So calm down there til we get more info.

Nah. Easily. It's a spinoff of a game series that play better (and have better actual stories, if we're talking PS2 era Persona).

Catherine proved it for me too. They can do better.

I wanna S-link with Mara tho ;__;

I just don't see it happening, but I would love to romance a dick on a chariot.

 

[IDKAboutThat]

http://imgur.com/gallery/xfscO
Made an imgur post about Redline. People need to know. Can we talk about redline some more?

 

[Phantasmal Repose]

I thought Persona 1 had the greatest combat system in the megaten franchise though?

Good for you, I guess. I thought it was awful. Arguably the worst in the series.

http://imgur.com/gallery/xfscO
Made an imgur post about Redline. People need to know. Can we talk about redline some more?

I really need to watch Redline at some point.

 

[semisonic]

Bring back demon negotiation. Its so simple. Talking to people that aren't party members is so fucking boring when you can talk to demons instead.

Ehh, you just want more SMT. Social links are in and I don't think they're leaving. But Social linking with demons?

Now this is an idea I can get behind. Though if they have the character depth form SMT convos it's going to be the most transparantly boring and shallow shit ever.

They could easily do better in regards to story.

Do better? Sure. Easily do better?
Fuck the hell no.
I dunno about you, but from what I know of P3 it's got some shit. Same with P2.
If we're talking better than 4?
Okay, sure(although I personally think the characters make the story, and aren't so easily separated, given p4's format)
But right now you are just setting yourself up for disappointment, and your mother and i are very worried about you.
Or you're hyperboling super hard and I should stop taking you seriously.

 

[RainSD]

That' s a stretch.
I mean, sure, it definitely has strong potential to be better than the previous ones, doubly so considering the trailer. But if it was so easy for a game to be better at persona than 2, 3, and 4, we'd have gotten one by now.
And we haven't. So calm down there til we get more info.

Nah. Easily. It's a spinoff of a game series that play better (and have better actual stories, if we're talking PS2 era Persona).

Catherine proved it for me too. They can do better.
I just don't see it happening, but I would love to romance a dick on a chariot.

Plus, the game has been in development for some time. I'm sure they've learned a lot from player feedback.

 

[RecursiveFault]

Ehh, you just want more SMT. .

No, he wants P1 and P2. Demon negotiation is in there.

 

[Jman014]

I spent 2 and a half hours watching Troy Baker and Laura Bailey get drunk while playing Tales from the Borderlands episode 2 on twitch. it was ossum

It could literally have any gameplay and my love would stay the same. It being better or worse in 5 is completely irrelevant to me.

Just make it Puzzle-Quest or something. Don't give a fuck.

eplace the "black and blue" lyrics for the Smackdown theme with white and gold

 

[Ultimate_Trainer]

No, he wants P2. Demon negotiation is in there.

The negotiation is P2 is definitely one of the best even if people don't agree. Group Contacts were super fun.

 

[semisonic]

No, he wants P2. Demon negotiation is in there.

I know. But p2 is gone now.
And we sure as hell aren't getting it back while it was as unpopular as it was comparatively.
There's a goddamn good reason that we have all these p4 and p3 spinoffs and literally no p2 spinoffs.
And it ain't quality.

 

[skLaFarebear]

Ehh, you just want more SMT. Social links are in and I don't think they're leaving. But Social linking with demons?

Or maybe I just want them to bring back something from the older Persona games?

 

[Ultimate_Trainer]

I know. But p2 is gone now.
And we sure as hell aren't getting it back while it was as unpopular as it was comparatively.
There's a goddamn good reason that we have all these p4 and p3 spinoffs and literally no p2 spinoffs.
And it ain't quality.

The main reason is no P2 spinoffs that the team that worked on them is no longer at ATLUS. They wanna respect the original creators by not messing with them.

 

[RecursiveFault]

The negotiation is P2 is definitely one of the best even if people don't agree. Group Contacts were super fun.

Conditions for successful negotiation being preset combinations of characters for each demon kinda sucks, I actually prefer RNG.

And it ain't quality.

The main reason is that the team that worked on them is no longer at ATLUS

Also, IS never came out in English till the PSP remake, we only got EP back in the day.

 

[ultimax]

I know. But p2 is gone now.
And we sure as hell aren't getting it back while it was as unpopular as it was comparatively.
There's a goddamn good reason that we have all these p4 and p3 spinoffs and literally no p2 spinoffs.
And it ain't quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nGWEb5QxGA

 

[IDKAboutThat]

I really need to watch Redline at some point.

Yeah, probably. It's like an hour and a half.

 

[Jman014]

Where's that video of the two black dudes arguing about SMT and Persona.

 

[Phantasmal Repose]

If they do bring back negotiations I hope they streamline it a bit. Having all those different options were nice and cool, but it got tedious after a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nGWEb5QxGA

P1 and P2 IS weren't hard, tho.

 

[IDKAboutThat]

Ew, did I jump on just as we became ArguingaboutpersonaGAF?

 

[RecursiveFault]

P1 and P2 IS weren't hard, tho.

Rog goes "Let's positive thinking" at the end.

If they do bring back negotiations I hope they streamline it a bit. Having all those different options were nice and cool, but it got tedious after a while.

I'd rather just choose a party member and not choose what they say to them, or just have a binary good reaction/bad reaction.

 

[Jman014]

Ew, did I jump on just as we became ArguingaboutpersonaGAF?

I came in at a bad time, too.

 

[ultimax]

P1 and P2 IS weren't hard, tho.

Rog goes "Let's positive thinking" at the end.

^

and i also linked it saying the reason was because dating sims and waifus.

Spoiler

*jokes* kinda

 

[skLaFarebear]

I have to admit, its always hilarious when people think I want Persona to be like mainline SMT when I say new Persona should have/bring back demon negotiation. You can usually weed out the P3/4 fans from the pack.

I'll never forget in the "What new features P5 should have" thread where I said Demon Negotiation, and people bashed me for saying Persona shouldn't be like SMT. If I wanted Persona to be like SMT, I would want a post-apocalyptic world, some kind of law/chaos function and the press turn system, which I never asked for (though I wouldn't say no to a press turn system in P5).

 

[IDKAboutThat]

"I like the old ones! Blarrrrr" " I like the new ones! Blarrrrr" "I like SMT! Blarrrrr" "Everyone's waifus are shit! Blarrrrr"

 

[semisonic]

The main reason is no P2 spinoffs that the team that worked on them is no longer at ATLUS. They wanna respect the original creators by not messing with them.

Wait I actually don't have a response about this. Shit.

Conditions for successful negotiation being preset combinations of characters for each demon kinda sucks, I actually prefer RNG.

Also, IS never came out in English till the PSP remake, we only got EP back in the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nGWEb5QxGA

Is there a misconception here about my meaning?
I'm not saying p2 is bad. And demon negotiation is rad as fuck.
But persona has a way larger fanbase than what it once was. And I don't think they're going to alienate it super hard(by which I mean to the level of taking out social links in favor of demon negotation again) to satisfy a smaller, though more loyal fanbase. Right now the whole idea of a persona in the eye of the common jobber is that personas are a representation of the self, or a crystallization of one's bonds. It's been that way since p3. And putting demon negotiation back in would completely reject those concepts.

 

[Alfebit]

Ok, I just finished the new Revelaitons episode (stupid real life stuff, making me almost miss videos), and is it just me, or is that a terrible ending point? It feels super lame.

Spoiler

My guess is that it's because the episode lengths don't work too well for the LP

Spoiler

There are multiple endings to Rev2. Which one are you talking about?

 

[RecursiveFault]

I have to admit, its always hilarious when people think I want Persona to be like mainline SMT when I say new Persona should have/bring back demon negotiation. You can usually weed out the P3/4 fans from the pack.

I'll never forget in the "What new features P5 should have" thread where I said Demon Negotiation, and people bashed me for saying Persona shouldn't be like SMT. If I wanted Persona to be like SMT, I would want a post-apocalyptic world, some kind of law/chaos function and the press turn system, which I never asked for (though I wouldn't say no to a press turn system in P5).

I don't expect it, but I wonder how P3/4 fans would take Press Turn. It's kinda dabes.

 

[Jman014]

Everyone should just relax and play either Evolve or the new Unreal Tournament.

"I like the old ones! Blarrrrr" " I like the new ones! Blarrrrr" "I like SMT! Blarrrrr" "Everyone's waifus are shit! Blarrrrr"

I don't know what your avatar is from! D:

 

[Ultimate_Trainer]

But persona has a way larger fanbase than what it once was.

Nah

 

[skLaFarebear]

Is there a misconception here about my meaning?
I'm not saying p2 is bad. And demon negotiation is rad as fuck.
But persona has a way larger fanbase than what it once was. And I don't think they're going to alienate it super hard(by which I mean to the level of taking out social links in favor of demon negotation again) to satisfy a smaller, though more loyal fanbase. Right now the whole idea of a persona in the eye of the common jobber is that personas are a representation of the self, or a crystallization of one's bonds. It's been that way since p3. And putting demon negotiation back in would completely reject those concepts.

In the trailer they've already brought demons back as enemies. Unless its just for modelling purposes for future SMT games, there has to be a reason for it. Unless they're just gonna ignore demons in general and just call them shadows.

 

[misses bull]

Everyone should just relax and play either Evolve or the new Unreal Tournament.

Nah I like my games being done and not having awful dlcs in them

 

[Jman014]

Nah I like my games being done and not having awful dlcs in them

Play Shadowrun Dragonfall, then. That's done and does not have awful dlc in it.

 

[RecursiveFault]

taking out social links in favor of demon negotation again) to satisfy a smaller, though more loyal fanbase. Right now the whole idea of a persona in the eye of the common jobber is that personas are a representation of the self, or a crystallization of one's bonds. It's been that way since p3. And putting demon negotiation back in would completely reject those concepts.

Personas were always reflection of oneself. That's what the word "Persona" means. You know P2 negotiations don't mean you recruit demons, right? You just get different stuff from them or end fights peacefully.

Also I didn't say take out S.Links, they can exist in the same system. skLa did though.

Nah

Heh, I never knew how they did in Japan.

 

[skLaFarebear]

I don't expect it, but I wonder how P3/4 fans would take Press Turn. It's kinda dabes.

Its almost crazy how good press turn is.

 

[RainSD]

Wait I actually don't have a response about this. Shit.




Is there a misconception here about my meaning?
I'm not saying p2 is bad. And demon negotiation is rad as fuck.
But persona has a way larger fanbase than what it once was. And I don't think they're going to alienate it super hard(by which I mean to the level of taking out social links in favor of demon negotation again) to satisfy a smaller, though more loyal fanbase. Right now the whole idea of a persona in the eye of the common jobber is that personas are a representation of the self, or a crystallization of one's bonds. It's been that way since p3. And putting demon negotiation back in would completely reject those concepts.

Social links were already confirmed to be a thing in some way. It'd be pretty rad if they added demon negotiations in too in some way,

 

[Phantasmal Repose]

I'd rather just choose a party member and not choose what they say to them, or just have a binary good reaction/bad reaction.

Yeah, that'd be cool.

^

and i also linked it saying the reason was because dating sims and waifus.

Spoiler

*jokes* kinda

P1 and P2 have waifus, tho.

 

[misses bull]

Play Shadowrun Dragonfall, then. That's done and does not have awful dlc in it.

not enough time. Not playing anything big for the next two months

 

[Jman014]

not enough time. Not playing anything big for the next two months

O noes then you'll miss out on Pillars of Eternity! I really hope that shit is good.

 

[Phantasmal Repose]

Nah

That only accounts for Japan. I think it's safe to say that the series has a much bigger fanbase worldwide now then it did before.

 

[IDKAboutThat]

I don't know what your avatar is from! D:

Miami Vice Lagann.

 

[skLaFarebear]

Personas were always reflection of oneself. That's what the word "Persona" means. You know P2 negotiations don't mean you recruit demons, right? You just get different stuff from them or end fights peacefully.

Also I didn't say take out S.Links, they can exist in the same system. skLa did though.

And I'll stand by this statement forever, though I would be completely ignorant to think they'd ever take out social links. Especially because I think they're already confirmed in some article or another.

I'm actually really excited to pick up DeSu 2:Break Record because I heard from the CoS podcast that the FATE system is way better implemented than social links.

 

[semisonic]

Nah

That's in japan. I'm talking the worldwide, and moreover US market. How many p4 fans have you met who know what order to play p2 in, or who have even talked about p1 and 2.

In the trailer they've already brought demons back as enemies. Unless its just for modelling purposes for future SMT games, there has to be a reason for it. Unless they're just gonna ignore demons in general and just call them shadows.

That's actually not out of the question right now.
We gotta wait for more details.

 

[E_Darkness]

Play Shadowrun Dragonfall, then. That's done and does not have awful dlc in it.

DO THIS. DO THIS. SHADOWRUN DRAGONFALL WAS MY FAVOURITE GAME OF LAST YEAR.

not enough time. Not playing anything big for the next two months

DO IT THOUGH.

Spoiler

It isn't that big

 

[misses bull]

O noes then you'll miss out on Pillars of Eternity! I really hope that shit is good.

I play it over the summer. The only thing I'm playing soon is broken age, that wolfenstein dlc and silent hill 2

 

[IDKAboutThat]

Avatar bets are my favorite