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The Batman - Review Thread

Sybrix

Member
This Batman isn't going to have supernatural heroes in it. He's the only one. No wonder woman, no Superman, no Aquaman. It's standalone like Keaton and Bale.

So this Batman isnt going to be part of a DC Universe in the future?

I find that hard to believe.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
So this Batman isnt going to be part of a DC Universe in the future?

I find that hard to believe.

If Pattinson and reeves signed 3 pic deal tgat will be 100% non connected to to Snyder of other stuff. WB recently put out a press release for their films stating they are concentrating on quality instead of every film being connected.
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
If Pattinson and reeves signed 3 pic deal tgat will be 100% non connected to to Snyder of other stuff. WB recently put out a press release for their films stating they are concentrating on quality instead of every film being connected.

Right. There's still the DCEU but just like Joker was it's own universe, so is this. The Gordons are different, too!
 

Alcibiades

Member
Sure, which is why they generally hand the keys over to the director. The results are hit or miss, but I appreciate the approach greatly. It’s worth the risk.

The MCU is fantastic but I don’t want everything homogenized, even if it leads to more consistent quality.
This is what I loved about the X-Men films despite some misses.

I'm glad we got a universe where Deadpool, Logan, New Mutants, First Class, and Days of Future Past could all coexist, not to mention the original 3 films and everything in between. At least they took chances.

I think Disney slightly dipped their toes in a different direction with Eternals but it definitely still had that MCU feel to it.

I also appreciate WBs approach of having the DCEU/"Snyderverse" films while also having standalone films. Just because everyone loves MCU doesn't mean DC has to imitate and have all their films follow the same model.
 

pesaddict

Banned
Dropping on HBO MAX April 19th !!!!
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TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Has this been posted?
I'm calling bullshit on this.
She would have been too young for the role either way and she is the daughter of Lenny kravitz!
I'm sure they would have loved to have her if she was older
But I doubt they wanted a nearly 40 year-old Bruce Wayne having a 20 year old love interest.
Regardless if he is supposed to be a billionaire bachelor playboy.
Anne Hathaway was nearly 30 when she took on the role in 2012
Zoë is now 33.
She did say later the report was wrong, and she didn't audition for the part of Catwoman.
Followed by a comment saying it was different times 20 year's ago and it happen a lot to her..
When she was 12 🤔
and obviously didn't she see Halle Berry's Catwoman in 2004.
then again not that many did 😂
 

AgatonSax

Member
Has this been posted?
I'm calling bullshit on this.
She would have been too young for the role either way and she is the daughter of Lenny kravitz!
I'm sure they would have loved to have her if she was older
But I doubt they wanted a nearly 40 year-old Bruce Wayne having a 20 year old love interest.
Regardless if he is supposed to be a billionaire bachelor playboy.
Anne Hathaway was nearly 30 when she took on the role in 2012
Zoë is now 33.
She did say later the report was wrong, and she didn't audition for the part of Catwoman.
Followed by a comment saying it was different times 20 year's ago and it happen a lot to her..
When she was 12 🤔
and obviously didn't she see Halle Berry's Catwoman in 2004.
then again not that many did 😂
She was auditioning for the Juno Temple role apparently.
 

Sub_Level

wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Yea that role more than likely wasn't for Catwoman. The studio wasn't gonna do two black Catwomans in a row kek
 

sol_bad

Member
I'll just say that Hollywood has definitely changed over the last 12 years. I can Imagine what she says being true to a certain degree.
 

DKehoe

Gold Member
Has this been posted?
I'm calling bullshit on this.
She would have been too young for the role either way and she is the daughter of Lenny kravitz!
I'm sure they would have loved to have her if she was older
But I doubt they wanted a nearly 40 year-old Bruce Wayne having a 20 year old love interest.
Regardless if he is supposed to be a billionaire bachelor playboy.
Anne Hathaway was nearly 30 when she took on the role in 2012
Zoë is now 33.
She did say later the report was wrong, and she didn't audition for the part of Catwoman.
Followed by a comment saying it was different times 20 year's ago and it happen a lot to her..
When she was 12 🤔
and obviously didn't she see Halle Berry's Catwoman in 2004.
then again not that many did 😂
She didn’t say she was auditioning for Catwoman. Sites are just running with that because it makes for a better story to imply that may have been the role.
 

SJRB

Gold Member
I just saw it with my boys. I liked it a lot. So did boys. I was worried if it would keep their interest. My 11yr old said it was his favorite Batman movie ever.

I saw some kids when I saw it and afterwards I wondered if they enjoyed this one bit. From a kid's perspective it's probably a crazy slow and boring movie, with some cool Batman action in between.

In a way I'm glad I grew up with movies like Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin etc.
 

DKehoe

Gold Member
I saw some kids when I saw it and afterwards I wondered if they enjoyed this one bit. From a kid's perspective it's probably a crazy slow and boring movie, with some cool Batman action in between.

In a way I'm glad I grew up with movies like Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin etc.
I do feel bad for kids these days that Batman films aren't remotely made with them in mind.
 

DeceptiveAlarm

Gold Member
I saw some kids when I saw it and afterwards I wondered if they enjoyed this one bit. From a kid's perspective it's probably a crazy slow and boring movie, with some cool Batman action in between.

In a way I'm glad I grew up with movies like Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin etc.
I liked those movies when they were out. My kids have seen them all though. They both loved this. 11 and 9.
 

TrebleShot

Member
Brilliant movie, best version of Batman on screen we've had so far.
Final act was a bit forced, have to wonder if studio intervention required such an ending act.

Overall absolutely stunning and this brooding version of Batman is best.

8/10, 10/10 until the final act.
 

Azurro

Banned
So this Batman isnt going to be part of a DC Universe in the future?

I find that hard to believe.

I'd rather not have Batman in a DC movie universe. He's useless when part of a team of basically gods, he belongs in movies that are a lot more grounded and dealing with mortal people.
 

AgatonSax

Member
I do feel bad for kids these days that Batman films aren't remotely made with them in mind.
It’s difficult with all long running franchises. You have to appeal to your original fan base now grown up but also bring along the next generations. Star Wars struggles with it.
 
Did you guys know that Tim Burton's Batman 3 was rumored to just have the Riddler (played by Robin Williams as the villian) and the plot was to have
The Riddler being an orphan with a grudge against bruce wayne?

Do you know how awesome that would have been? Fuckin warner bros.
 
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TheInfamousKira

Reseterror Resettler
Only read a few pages of this thread, but I just got back from it.

I love the shit out of the Nolan trilogy, and TDK will probably remain my favorite for some time to come because of the characterization, and that punchy way the film rolls.

But this movie is far and away number two for me out of all the other film offerings and takes on the character. In so far as TDK trilogy was a character study on Bruce Wayne, this movie felt like it was all about Batman. Fuck, don't quote me on this, but it feels like the most screentime Bruce Wayne has gotten in the actual costume in some time.

I enjoyed how this was an origin story of sorts without rehashing the Wayne's murder and how Bruce found the cave and decided to be a vigilante. It was the second step, how Batman went from a vigilante and the embodiment of vengeance and fear to an icon in the city that people could look to to stand up against the corruption oozing out of every street corner.

I enjoyed the different take on the rogue gallery in this incarnation, too. I guess Nolan kind of pioneered this, in a sense, but every film before Batman Begins (and even kind of including it) was tongue in cheek, wink at the audience aware of the source material, in a very jaded, executive way. Villains were super eccentric scenery munchers, with flamboyant costumes and armies of mooks in villain-themed uniforms and it was just all very fake, and hammy, and not always in the charming way.

So seeing faces like Catwoman, Penguin, and the Riddler dialed back into (still outrageous, but) not entirely implausible characters was neat. The early reviews were pretty accurate, it feels like the love child of classic comic books, Sherlock Holmes and Seven, with just a few drops of Burtonesque dark and gloomy for flavor.

It's also worth noting that for the portrayal of this iteration of Batman, they really couldn't have picked better villains. Batman is a detective, he works with the police, he's a brilliant person. If you were to choose basically any villain in past movies to feature here, it would clash with the atmosphere, I think. Riddler was a fantastic foil to "the thinking man's Batman," and weirdo that I am, I thought it was a major subversion to A. Never have the hero and the villain physically fight each other, and B. Have your big action setpiece climax occur AFTER the villain has been taken out of the picture. Felt like the ferry experiment in TDK, but even then Joker and Batman ended up throwing hands. Pretty cool.

Cinematography was ace, sound design was pretty cool, the aesthetic of Gotham was tastefully off kilter and faithful to it's source. I've got my jeans with holes in the knees and my flannel shirt close to my heart, but I'm an absolute dirty whore for "Something In The Way," by Nirvana, and I never imagined it could be used so well in fucking Batman of all things, and at two separate moments, and evoking two separate emotions.

Downsides (and these are minor)

It could have been trimmed down 15-20 minutes, easy. It was slow, and I like a slow burn (Kingdom Hearts II intro is my favorite, fight me) but I could see it being a bait and switch for people used to the TDK and Batman Forevers.

The race swapping for certain characters was noticeable, and if you did that in the reverse order, you'd surely hear about it, but every actor was very suitable for their characters, and nothing felt out of place.

I thought some of the climax was LOL and a bit on the nose #Ally. The whole commentary on "rich white men," and the masked bad dude doing a livestream to promote an armed insurrection on election day was just kind of...blatant.

But yeah, surprisingly happy with this film.
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
Only read a few pages of this thread, but I just got back from it.

I love the shit out of the Nolan trilogy, and TDK will probably remain my favorite for some time to come because of the characterization, and that punchy way the film rolls.

But this movie is far and away number two for me out of all the other film offerings and takes on the character. In so far as TDK trilogy was a character study on Bruce Wayne, this movie felt like it was all about Batman. Fuck, don't quote me on this, but it feels like the most screentime Bruce Wayne has gotten in the actual costume in some time.

I enjoyed how this was an origin story of sorts without rehashing the Wayne's murder and how Bruce found the cave and decided to be a vigilante. It was the second step, how Batman went from a vigilante and the embodiment of vengeance and fear to an icon in the city that people could look to to stand up against the corruption oozing out of every street corner.

I enjoyed the different take on the rogue gallery in this incarnation, too. I guess Nolan kind of pioneered this, in a sense, but every film before Batman Begins (and even kind of including it) was tongue in cheek, wink at the audience aware of the source material, in a very jaded, executive way. Villains were super eccentric scenery munchers, with flamboyant costumes and armies of mooks in villain-themed uniforms and it was just all very fake, and hammy, and not always in the charming way.

So seeing faces like Catwoman, Penguin, and the Riddler dialed back into (still outrageous, but) not entirely implausible characters was neat. The early reviews were pretty accurate, it feels like the love child of classic comic books, Sherlock Holmes and Seven, with just a few drops of Burtonesque dark and gloomy for flavor.

It's also worth noting that for the portrayal of this iteration of Batman, they really couldn't have picked better villains. Batman is a detective, he works with the police, he's a brilliant person. If you were to choose basically any villain in past movies to feature here, it would clash with the atmosphere, I think. Riddler was a fantastic foil to "the thinking man's Batman," and weirdo that I am, I thought it was a major subversion to A. Never have the hero and the villain physically fight each other, and B. Have your big action setpiece climax occur AFTER the villain has been taken out of the picture. Felt like the ferry experiment in TDK, but even then Joker and Batman ended up throwing hands. Pretty cool.

Cinematography was ace, sound design was pretty cool, the aesthetic of Gotham was tastefully off kilter and faithful to it's source. I've got my jeans with holes in the knees and my flannel shirt close to my heart, but I'm an absolute dirty whore for "Something In The Way," by Nirvana, and I never imagined it could be used so well in fucking Batman of all things, and at two separate moments, and evoking two separate emotions.

Downsides (and these are minor)

It could have been trimmed down 15-20 minutes, easy. It was slow, and I like a slow burn (Kingdom Hearts II intro is my favorite, fight me) but I could see it being a bait and switch for people used to the TDK and Batman Forevers.

The race swapping for certain characters was noticeable, and if you did that in the reverse order, you'd surely hear about it, but every actor was very suitable for their characters, and nothing felt out of place.

I thought some of the climax was LOL and a bit on the nose #Ally. The whole commentary on "rich white men," and the masked bad dude doing a livestream to promote an armed insurrection on election day was just kind of...blatant.

But yeah, surprisingly happy with this film.

I doubt they could have written, planned and constructed the scene in such a short period of time right after Jan 6. And movies aren't filmed in chronological order. It's possible they filmed it before Jan 6. The movie was finished last March.
 

TheInfamousKira

Reseterror Resettler
I doubt they could have written, planned and constructed the scene in such a short period of time right after Jan 6. And movies aren't filmed in chronological order. It's possible they filmed it before Jan 6. The movie was finished last March.

Maybe so, you know more about the filming than I do already, haha.
 

SJRB

Gold Member
I watched Batman Forever again recently. I think it's a really fun movie. Hopefully we get a directors cut.

All the classic movies hold up really well, provided you can deal with the campy schlock. Especially Burton's movies are still top notch.

The atmosphere in every movie is incredibly well done, the oppressive gothica of Burton as well as the neon-gothic from the other two movies.
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
All the classic movies hold up really well, provided you can deal with the campy schlock. Especially Burton's movies are still top notch.

The atmosphere in every movie is incredibly well done, the oppressive gothica of Burton as well as the neon-gothic from the other two movies.
Outside of some obvious miniatures, Batman Returns is a BEAUTIFUL film. Inky and dark. Great colors. That Ballroom scence. All top-notch.
 
Did you guys know that Tim Burton's Batman 3 was rumored to just have the Riddler (played by Robin Williams as the villian) and the plot was to have
The Riddler being an orphan with a grudge against bruce wayne?

Do you know how awesome that would have been? Fuckin warner bros.

Kinda like Robin in TDKR?
 

SkylineRKR

Member
The Batman is brilliant. Its better than most films MCU shit out. The art direction, the gritty atmosphere, the thriller aspects, the violence... its less correct and sugarcoated than MCU. No funny one liner every minute.

I watched Batman Forever again recently. I think it's a really fun movie. Hopefully we get a directors cut.

I like it. It has nothing on Nolan and this, but its part of my youth. I thought O Donnell was terrible, but Kilmer actually a good Bruce (he was Bob Kane's favourite IIRC), Jones is over acting and Carrey plays the mask but he was legit funny back then. Also, the hottest version of Kidman. Try me.

Its over the top, its lots of color and bloat. Its like 90's Judge Dredd etc. Its beyond stupid. But I like it.
 

DeceptiveAlarm

Gold Member
The Batman is brilliant. Its better than most films MCU shit out. The art direction, the gritty atmosphere, the thriller aspects, the violence... its less correct and sugarcoated than MCU. No funny one liner every minute.
It really is a breath of fresh air from the crap Marvel has been turning out. So good.
 

TheInfamousKira

Reseterror Resettler
The line got "tossed in" because a poor black woman probably does think of most CEOs as "privileged white assholes" (because most are) and because the entire point of the line is that the person she's talking to, the hero of the movie, is one of them. Do you not think the line is there to undermine what's she saying in the first place? There are good and bad white guys in Batman just as there are good and bad POCs, it's just that most bad guys on screen are white because the movie focuses on the mob.

^ I like this. Upon closer examination, it's a big part of Bruce's character arc in the film. Being told that he not doing enough/any philanthropic work despite all his money, realizing that he's been acting out against criminals out of anger and a bizarre personal code and not because innocent people need someone not beholden to the legal policies/red tape.
 

SkylineRKR

Member
^ I like this. Upon closer examination, it's a big part of Bruce's character arc in the film. Being told that he not doing enough/any philanthropic work despite all his money, realizing that he's been acting out against criminals out of anger and a bizarre personal code and not because innocent people need someone not beholden to the legal policies/red tape.

In past films he could do both, which is kind of insane. Well, in TDKR he was a hermit and funding stopped without him knowing. But usually he's very public while also a vigilante at night. He doesn't look hurt, despite his experiences.

I think this approach in The Batman makes more sense. He's focused on fighting mob so much that he forgets to use his fortune. You can see how his work takes a toll on him.
 

GeekyDad

Member
The line got "tossed in" because a poor black woman probably does think of most CEOs as "privileged white assholes" (because most are) and because the entire point of the line is that the person she's talking to, the hero of the movie, is one of them. Do you not think the line is there to undermine what's she saying in the first place? There are good and bad white guys in Batman just as there are good and bad POCs, it's just that most bad guys on screen are white because the movie focuses on the mob.



I mean, it's nice that you work at Warner Bros. ...
Irony aside, I just wasn't convinced myself. The line itself didn't bother me, but if your reasoning is correct, then I'm thinking either the actress just didn't convince me, or perhaps it was the fault of the director...or I'm just dense. I think all of those things are possibilities. But again, it was just another element of the film I found disappointing.

Opinion: The film was over-produced, overwrought, dragged way the fuck out, got lost in its own state of dizziness in the last act, spelled everything (that it understood about itself -- because there was so much it seemed to lose track of) out to the point a first grader would have rolled his/her eyes, especially in that ending driving scene -- I mean holy fucking shit -- did they have to part ways five fucking times to say, "I'm gonna miss you so much, my only true, heavenly love!"

The movie has some great ideas, some really solid acting from some very talented performers. But it ultimately turned out to be stale bread. I look forward to reading yours and others' opinions about it a year from now.
 

AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Irony aside, I just wasn't convinced myself.

Yeah, I realised what it looked like afterwards, I tried to use marks around "tossed in" to imply the screenwriters probably didn't just throw lines in willy-nilly but I get what you're saying, nobody actually knows.

Anyway, we'll see how it ages, my opinion's not really changed since I saw it so there's no honeymoon phase for me. Has its faults but in the grand context of Batman movies it was quite high up there for me, they were going for dour and for my money nailed it without going overboard. Could definitely have shaved a little off its running time but definitely didn't drag for me on the initial watch, might be more of an issue on a rewatch.
 

Melon Husk

Member
It was a fresh take and the detective thriller aspect works. Sadly someone had to play it safe and bolted on an extra finale from the Nolan movies.


Edit: Dune had this problem too. There was a point in the movie that felt like a natural ending but it kept going past it.
 
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plushyp

Member
Watched the film a week ago so wanted to distance myself and think about it. Spoiler-free unless marked.

What I liked:
  • Finally we get to see Batman work as a detective in the films. It only took us 33 years to get here.
  • The focus was on Bruce/Batman and not on the villains. As much as I like TDK, it was Joker first and Batman second.
  • Never doubted Rob Pat and he played a depressed Bruce Wayne very well. All the actors were good in their roles overall.
  • The action scenes are amazing and made Batman stick to his "no kill" code.
  • The Batman-Gordon relationship was well done and them teaming up throughout the film was a delight.
  • The chase scene surprised me even though they showed it a lot in the trailers.
  • More than the flare moment, Batman not thinking about getting electrocuted for a second and just jumping to cut the live sign to save others is my favourite scene in the film.

What I didn't like:
  • None of the filmmakers till date have understood that the most important relationship that Bruce has is not with any girl but with Alfred. There were very few interactions with him in the film. It's stupid how outside of B:TAS, only Batman: The Telltale Series game understood this.
  • The film didn't need a Batman-Catwoman romance at this point. The Duela Dent relationship from Earth One would have been a better match for this incarnation of Bruce Wayne. Come to think of it, excluding Mask of the Phantasm not a single Batman film has handled romance well.
  • Some of the topical stuff was a bit too glaringly obvious like others have mentioned but still passable.
  • Few of the blurry macro shots were annoying.
  • The father-daughter relationship reveal between Catwoman and Carmine Falcone was an odd change to comic continuity.
  • Even though it was long, the focus was given to things that I felt didn't need them. I didn't mind the duration but attention given to (or repetition) of certain things made me question the use of the runtime.

Random:
  • The scared gang member at the start in the Joker gang is played by the same actor who plays Tim Drake on Titans.
  • Don Mitchell Jr.'s son might have figured out the identity of Batman. Bruce was noticeably staring at him during the funeral and dove to save him when the car came crashing in. Not sure but I certainly thought the film hinted at it when he was the first one to take Batman's hand when he was pulling people out at the end.
  • This is as close to a Batman: Earth One adaptation as we're going to get. Strange how Matt Reeves barely (if at all) mentioned it much and instead talked about other comics like The Long Halloween, Ego, Year One etc.
  • Riddler getting himself arrested was strange but it could have been part of his plan?
  • Joker cameo at the end was ho-hum.

Final thought:
We live in a timeline where the latest film Batman has become more inspiring than the latest film Superman.
 
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Xenon

Member
I loved 3/4 of it, felt cohesive and strong, but it’s last act feels completely disconnected from the rest of the film, like it was a different (much worse) movie. the art style, dialogue and action all get substantially worse in that final act. what happened?

also that opening monologue with the music…. soooo good


Yeah, it's like hey here are things we want in the movie but didn't fit naturally in the first 3/4. Let's just squeeze em in here.

But easily the best action of any live action batman. Though he could have dodged a bit more.

Overall a good movie but I can't see myself rewatching it anytime soon. Its just to stark, gritty, and plodding. Maybe thats why the beginning is better, the tone just wore me down.
 

Hugare

Member
Watched it again yersterday, and I think that I liked it even less than before

It's a movie that on paper had everything that I would absolutely love: Zodiac killer-like Riddle, Pattinson Batman, Matt Reeves directing, dark atmosphere, Michael Giacchino score, Year 2 Batman and etc.

But man, there's something about the execution that simply didnt land with me

All of Batman's monologue's are cringy, as he takes himself way too seriously, sounding just like Rorschach from Watchmen.

The romance between Batman and Catwoman just came out of nowhere. Didnt feel earned.

Her chunk of the story felt like filler and hurt the pacing. The Riddler part could have easily carried the whole movie. Nolan did best by introducing Catwoman with no backstory in Rises in order to focus on the actual story of the movie.

That shot of Batman starting the Batmobile and everyone looking at it with awe was cool, unti the car died or something lol . It was an awkward shot, still dont know what happened there.

Pattinson was 100% Batman in this movie even without the suit. His Bruce Wayne acted and talked just like Batman. Had no nuance. Don't understand why people are praising such a monotone performance. Even at the hospital scene, I felt that he lacked the emotion needed to make me connect with him.

There are so many little things that when put together made this move only a decent one for me

I love the Nolan trilogy, Batman is my favorite hero, but it pains me to say that I ended up enjoying No Way Home more than this movie (and I hate Tom Holland's Spidey)
 
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Only read a few pages of this thread, but I just got back from it.

I love the shit out of the Nolan trilogy, and TDK will probably remain my favorite for some time to come because of the characterization, and that punchy way the film rolls.

But this movie is far and away number two for me out of all the other film offerings and takes on the character. In so far as TDK trilogy was a character study on Bruce Wayne, this movie felt like it was all about Batman. Fuck, don't quote me on this, but it feels like the most screentime Bruce Wayne has gotten in the actual costume in some time.

I enjoyed how this was an origin story of sorts without rehashing the Wayne's murder and how Bruce found the cave and decided to be a vigilante. It was the second step, how Batman went from a vigilante and the embodiment of vengeance and fear to an icon in the city that people could look to to stand up against the corruption oozing out of every street corner.

I enjoyed the different take on the rogue gallery in this incarnation, too. I guess Nolan kind of pioneered this, in a sense, but every film before Batman Begins (and even kind of including it) was tongue in cheek, wink at the audience aware of the source material, in a very jaded, executive way. Villains were super eccentric scenery munchers, with flamboyant costumes and armies of mooks in villain-themed uniforms and it was just all very fake, and hammy, and not always in the charming way.

So seeing faces like Catwoman, Penguin, and the Riddler dialed back into (still outrageous, but) not entirely implausible characters was neat. The early reviews were pretty accurate, it feels like the love child of classic comic books, Sherlock Holmes and Seven, with just a few drops of Burtonesque dark and gloomy for flavor.

It's also worth noting that for the portrayal of this iteration of Batman, they really couldn't have picked better villains. Batman is a detective, he works with the police, he's a brilliant person. If you were to choose basically any villain in past movies to feature here, it would clash with the atmosphere, I think. Riddler was a fantastic foil to "the thinking man's Batman," and weirdo that I am, I thought it was a major subversion to A. Never have the hero and the villain physically fight each other, and B. Have your big action setpiece climax occur AFTER the villain has been taken out of the picture. Felt like the ferry experiment in TDK, but even then Joker and Batman ended up throwing hands. Pretty cool.

Cinematography was ace, sound design was pretty cool, the aesthetic of Gotham was tastefully off kilter and faithful to it's source. I've got my jeans with holes in the knees and my flannel shirt close to my heart, but I'm an absolute dirty whore for "Something In The Way," by Nirvana, and I never imagined it could be used so well in fucking Batman of all things, and at two separate moments, and evoking two separate emotions.

Downsides (and these are minor)

It could have been trimmed down 15-20 minutes, easy. It was slow, and I like a slow burn (Kingdom Hearts II intro is my favorite, fight me) but I could see it being a bait and switch for people used to the TDK and Batman Forevers.

The race swapping for certain characters was noticeable, and if you did that in the reverse order, you'd surely hear about it, but every actor was very suitable for their characters, and nothing felt out of place.

I thought some of the climax was LOL and a bit on the nose #Ally. The whole commentary on "rich white men," and the masked bad dude doing a livestream to promote an armed insurrection on election day was just kind of...blatant.

But yeah, surprisingly happy with this film.
Was TDK Trilogy a character study? I felt like Batman was overshadowed by the Villains, whereas The Batman took on Bruce Wayne in a way that's never been done and Pattinson was a perfect vessel for Bruce to shine on-screen despite people's uneducated concerns. I felt there was so much more character depth and for the first time I felt Bruce took precedence as opposed to his enemies and in such a way that was a perfect combo of Batman, Bruce, Villains, Corruption and an all consuming, gothic, steamy, Gotham.

Again, I hated the cheesy growl and plugged nose Batman had in TDK. It honestly took me out of the experience regardless of how cool the suit was.
 
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TheInfamousKira

Reseterror Resettler
Was TDK Trilogy a character study? I felt like Batman was overshadowed by the Villains, whereas The Batman took on Bruce Wayne in a way that's never been done and Pattinson was a perfect vessel for Bruce to shine on-screen despite people's uneducated concerns. I felt there was so much more character depth and for the first time I felt Bruce took precedence as opposed to his enemies and in such a way that was a perfect combo of Batman, Bruce, Villains, Corruption and an all consuming, gothic, steamy, Gotham.

Again, I hated the cheesy growl and plugged nose Batman had in TDK. It honestly took me out of the experience regardless of how cool the suit was.

I'd argue that the current incarnation was more about Batman, in a sense, the true Bruce Wayne, developing into what he's known for. Whereas, I found TDK trilogy to be more about Bruce Wayne, the person, coming to terms with and re-emerging as his own distinct person. Making Batman the disguise for Bruce, and not the other way around. Yes, the villains were, for the most part, awesome, but I feel they operated as well written foils to different aspects of Bruce's personality.

Consider, Ras Al Ghul was cunning, had forethought, skill, experience. He was literally trained in the same manner as Batman. In a film where he's struggling to balance vigilantism with heroism, having someone who basically operates as a parable of what his own internal dogma could lead him to become is fascinating. Ditto the Scarecrow and his manipulation of fear and anxiety, two tools that Batman used quite often.

Moving onto the Joker, he was a vigilante and an icon on the streets of Gotham much like Batman. He challenged Bruce's code of honor, as it were. Never killing, saving lives over anything. Two Face was pretty clearly an inversion of Bruce. The white knight to his dark knight. A very blatant visual metaphor the light and darkness in everyone, the two sides of the same coin and how thin the line between the two is.

And Bane, finally, was Batman's physical foil. A man with experience in the dark, in the underworld, and the first in Nolan's trilogy to really physically outclass Bruce to the point of breaking the bat. Taking Batman back to the beginning and making him find his inner strength. I think all three films are fantastic for the arc they put Bruce through, and it's in part because of how fleshed out the villains are.
 
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