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The Formula 1 2015 Season |OT| Formula E Feeder Series
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No, and No. ;-)
VSC is always for the full track. But the emergency light from Verstappens car went on (too much g-force in his accident), which by rule makes it an automatic safety car incident, so they had to change.
The blunder happened, because no one felt able to take the decision to rescind the order to pit. They discussed too long between team, strat group and pit wall. By then the damage was done.
So, still no racing, just handling the tires. Fuck off Strategy group.
If refuelling would come back, the tires could be made durable again and the drivers could race.
I remember drivers not bothering going for overtakes, and waiting for the undercut a lot when refueling was not banned.
They could race now, if there were more durable tires.
but without refueling and durable tires we dont have Pit-Stops and Formula 1 needs Pit-Stops now more than ever. Except for Honda and Renault the Cars are to reliable, the most fuckups happen at the pit-stop, our only chance for getting not bored.
I know this gets thrown around a lot in the media, but would something like this have happened under Ross Brawn? I mean, even Ferrari wouldn't have made that mistake at Monaco.
So, fuel rigs being on fire is the only thing you still find interesting about the sport? Refueling won't make anything better, it's the only thing the Strategy group got right here. How about making the racing better, instead of inceasing chances of cars losing positions because the pit crew screwed up?
No we need racing like you said.
The issue is simple, the task for them is to fix it while messing up as little as possible. Implementing changes that have nothing to do with it like refueling won't help.
We still have drivers going for the undercut rather than pass out on track, at least with refuelling it allowed different strategies, at least giving a car with is half a second slower a chance to win
I'm sorry, but you're looking at the past through rose tinted glasses.
marvelharvey
Member
The refuelling era was awfully boring. It should never be allowed to return.
I hear Button's invited all the drivers to run a triathlon against him.
Well no, that's the point. But refueling isn't going to make that problem go away.
The tires also allow for different strategies. That way Hamilton didn't have to fight Vettel in Spain, just choose a different strategy and win because the car (and strategy) were faster.
I understand the random elements can mix the field like rain, but usually the result is some win by a lot because they were lucky and chose the right strategy.
Surely there must be a healthy middle ground somewhere.
Re-fuelling aided artificial over-taking too. Not on the track, but in the pits - because without having to re-fuel, there was absolutely no reason to change your tyres.
DRS, however fake or artificial it may be, has made the sport a lot more interesting to watch. The tyres at some stage have helped too, though I too would prefer less nurturing and more full out racing.
Thiiiiiiis.
If the tires were the issue, why aren't teams using more sets when they are available?
Soccer doesn't start with one team having an extra goal and nothing happening for 90 minutes.
Templar Wizard
Member
Do people still think that DRS is an instant pass? or don't they still know what tire compound deltas are?
If you noticed in some races DRS does its job, negates the effect of 'dirty air' and puts a driver in a position to pass (if drivers are on similar life [and usually same compound] tires )
Many drivers don't make the move stick, but at least they can try.
The issue with the mixed compounds and DRS was they were introduced near the same time and have added a complexity not really needed.
We should have racer tires on normal circuits, Montreal Monza Sepang Suzuka COTA Interlagos etc.. where the cars should be on the limit and DRS can AID in overtaking and nullify dirty air. More durable tries on these circuits will limit the amount of marbles which again limit overtaking.
Circuits which has the reputation for 'overtaking is impossible', Monaco Hungary Singapore etc.. should have cheese tires which will add to the overtaking.
If you noticed in some races DRS does its job, negates the effect of 'dirty air' and puts a driver in a position to pass (if drivers are on similar life [and usually same compound] tires )
Many drivers don't make the move stick, but at least they can try.
The issue with the mixed compounds and DRS was they were introduced near the same time and have added a complexity not really needed.
We should have racer tires on normal circuits, Montreal Monza Sepang Suzuka COTA Interlagos etc.. where the cars should be on the limit and DRS can AID in overtaking and nullify dirty air. More durable tries on these circuits will limit the amount of marbles which again limit overtaking.
Circuits which has the reputation for 'overtaking is impossible', Monaco Hungary Singapore etc.. should have cheese tires which will add to the overtaking.
RukusProvider
Banned
Anyone have a link to the post race press conf? NBC feed turned off after Lewis hit the #3 sign.
Could be this? Not sure really. My best guess is that Bernie has been appointed a shadow-mod.
Hopefully the ban isn't for too long.
Barefoot marshal, I'll allow it
Another Maldonado/Perez in the making.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-set-for-louder-engines-in-2016
Psychotext
Member
I'd love to see if there actually was a difference between the two laps. Grosjean says he broke 5 meters later, but obviously he could have coasted earlier.
Grosjean DID brake a lot earlier than in previous laps, so....
Anyway, I hope Max keeps overtaking as much as possible, he was the sole reason the GP of Monaco was enjoyable in the end.
freakzilla149
Banned
The Verstappen bandwagon has been one of the most annoying things in F1 this year. Ok, the kid is good, but he is not the messiah reborn, he can make mistakes too.
So, you can either vilify the guy for having a crash, or you have to worship the guy and be on a bandwagon for him.
There is no middle ground where Grosjean was driving defensively and the driver behind him was caught by surprise and crashed? That's just not possible?
I think Verstappen misjudged the situation, I think Grosjean was driving too defensively and I think it was a racing incident that certainly didn't merit a grid penalty.
There is no middle ground where Grosjean was driving defensively and the driver behind him was caught by surprise and crashed? That's just not possible?
I think Verstappen misjudged the situation, I think Grosjean was driving too defensively and I think it was a racing incident that certainly didn't merit a grid penalty.
That about sums it up.
Psychotext
Member
How can you drive too defensively? If he didn't change direction more than once (or under braking) then it's all fair game.
Yeah, fine with me. Again, racing incident.
freakzilla149
Banned
Of course there's a middle ground but the majority of the people online are going a bit nuts over it.
Altough, I don't think it was just a racing incident, he was going way too fast round that corner.
Altough, I don't think it was just a racing incident, he was going way too fast round that corner.
So, it was Toto's or Niki's fault then?
I changed the wording, it looked like the sentence means himself. Nobody got canned for the decision.
Well, officially. Could be that he must scrub toilets now. But it was a decision from someone higher up, so i dont think thats that either.
I, myself think ,that they gave the people responsible a hefty wordy beating but no more.
I think Ferrari has showed everyone that firing people for fucking up just creates more problems.
Also, great interview with Franz Tost on Autosport about customer cars. I'd link it, but I'm on my phone.
Mastah
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Psychotext
Member
So much for the lifting off earlier bit then. I guess the only thing left is line choice.