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The iPad Mini
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LyleLanley
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I think it has to do with the fact that up until recently there haven't been many Android tablets that consumers actually wanted. The Nexus 7 and Amazon tablets seem to be changing this though.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
That's a cool vid. And it looks nice.
I don't get the comment on build quality blowing a way a nexus 7? I have used and played games on a nexus 7 (and a ipad 3). It's not night and day to me. The nexus 7 is nice to hold and feels solid. As is apple stuff of course.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Marty Chinn
Member
Well it is very common to refer to an increase of width and height of twice the amount to be labeled as double the resolution.
That's a rather silly thing to say though. It's a bigger tablet with a bigger screen. You could argue that iPhones are puny in comparison to the majority of Android handsets because they're all larger with larger screens.
outunderthestars
Banned
The N7 is a great tablet. Excited to see what the Nexus 10 looks like.
I thought that too, but then...
@Jay - fair points. To be fair the extra width does seem to make a huge difference (and was part of the reason I ditched iOS and got an S3) but you can see there's a lot of unnecessary room used by that particular browser, which yes I think is Chrome (the browser I use on my iPad anyway) - although even just taking away the tabs bar, there's definitely still a lot of extra space on the iPad mini.
The app store on iOS seems to kill it though, fair play, it's amazing that so many of those apps weren't tablet optimized.
The first is not an issue, in fact many apps (iOS and Android) are in fact bundled web-apps and web has to support all resolutions and has mechanisms to do so. Plus it's what good devs do. What was problematic was the number of devices (CPUs, RAM, sensors) that need to be supported and can have quirks combined with the absolutely shitty OS upgrade paths. Most user are still on Gingerbread phones, and to make money you need to support them. It's a total Internet Explorer type scenario. iOS has 1 OS version to support.
Im not comparing size to size though.
I thought that too, but then...
@Jay - fair points. To be fair the extra width does seem to make a huge difference (and was part of the reason I ditched iOS and got an S3) but you can see there's a lot of unnecessary room used by that particular browser, which yes I think is Chrome (the browser I use on my iPad anyway) - although even just taking away the tabs bar, there's definitely still a lot of extra space on the iPad mini.
The app store on iOS seems to kill it though, fair play, it's amazing that so many of those apps weren't tablet optimized.
About the apps:
Usually when Apple makes a big deal about something negative regarding Android, it usually gets addressed quick by Google or someone else.
Has Google announced anything recently about tablet targeted apps? Does the Google Play store allow for "Universal" apps? Can the GP store lock non-tablet apps from downloading on a non-tablet? Seems reasonable as I believe it can restrict apps from downloading on older Android phones.
UltraMagnanimous
Member
No. It's not like either browser has much chrome.
Betta Lines
Member
But it's not that much bigger. With those bezels, they're maximising the screen size within a device that is not much wider, and the squarer aspect ratio makes more sense to me.
I probably wait until next generation N7 and ipad-mini to get a 7'' tablet. But to be honest if I were to chose now I would go with the N7, I don't believe the characteristic differences between both justify the price difference. Like I read in another site, I don't feel this mini ipad is ''premium enough'' for what it cost.
Ill wait for now.
Ill wait for now.
Technosteve
Banned
you guys think google has a chance with their nexus tablet?
Their developer site posted a Tablet App Quality Checklist recently, which will hopefully help some, at least in quality. And the Play Store does have universal apps (for instance, IMDB for the tablet and phone are the same app, but look different depending on the device), but a lot of apps still have phone versions and tablet versions for some reason. And unfortunately there's still nothing on the Play Store that indicates that an app is tablet-optimized. Which is very very annoying, and means we really have no idea how many tablet apps there actually are.
it fits into my inner jacket pocket just fine..... there are some areas where you don't want to be seen holding a tablet o.o
Why wouldn't they? The tablet market is eventually going to go the way of the phone market with Android taking the lions share of all sales.
It used to be all about Ipad, but now I have friends who are considering buying an Android Tablet instead. Mainly due to price to performance.
I have an Ipad and don't plan on switching, but my main interest is in gaming and iOS is much better than Android on this front. If it weren't for games I'd have no problem getting an Android tablet instead.
Depends on price.
Diablohead
Member
Do you own a galaxy note? it's close enough.
outunderthestars
Banned
I think it will carve out a successful niche, but will kill any other standard (non-Kindle/Nook) 7" android tablet.
It will still be a distant 4th in terms of sales behind the iPad Mini, Kindle Fire, and Nook HD. I know everyone here is complaining about specs, but I don't think the average consumer gives a rats ass about specs.
They'll see ads touting 275,000 apps, the premium build quality, and the lower price and flock to it. Every kid will get one instead of a full sized iPad.
And that is the key: People here compare the iPad Mini to the Nexus, and claim it is expensive. Consumers will compare it to the iPad and see that is over 33% less expensive.
I could not disagree more. Apple will sell every single one they can produce this Winter.
grimshawish
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Don't see it being a flop but don't see it being a hit. In the long term it maybe will be comparable to the Apple TV; but a bit more important to the product range.
Its a mid range way to access the OS and iPad experience though; so it should have a market; but I don't see it being the 'top toy this Christmas' as some have suggested before the conference.
The N7 or the rumoured N10?
As for the N7 I don't think the mini-ipad will necessarily affect it that much. I consider their pricing would mostly cannibalize its own itouch and some of the ipad userbase. I don't think they will necessarily push the N7 out of the market with it.
no just give me a 6.5"-7" phone that triple boots iOS, Android, and windows 8 Pro x86/64 OS
@ 1920x1200
I throw away every other device I own
also
329$ for a 1024x768 device
Da fuq ?
N7 was never in the market. It has estimated to sell 700k-1 mil which is pretty minimal. iPad mini should double or triple that in it's opening weekend alone.
(I adore my Nexus 7 btw)
Really? With the holidays coming up? They'll sell every one they can make through the end of the year and probably through March when they unveil the retina version.
This price may be prohibitive for people to buy for themselves for no reason, but it's nicely in the sweet spot for Christmas gifts. It will absolutely be a hit. The only thing that will hold them back is production issues.
They sell about 2 million Apple TVs a quarter. Yeah, no.
Diablohead
Member
apple stats page says 1gb I think, will check. *edit* scrap that, apple never mention it do they.
Gamecocks625
Member
Yeah as far as the screen you have the retina screen (in-cell technology) on the iPod touch and the non-retina screen on iPad mini.
iPad mini starts at 16GB and iPod touch at 32GB.
They both have the A5 but I'd imagine the iPad mini will be clocked slightly higher as it was with the iPhone 4S and the iPad 2.
outunderthestars
Banned
It never had that chance anyway. That title assuredly will belong to the iPhone 5.
It's been pointed out before that Jobs said a lot of things that weren't true, or that he reversed his position on. I'm not very impressed with the Mini, but Jobs wasn't an all-seeing eye for technology.
got to admit that looks really good.
outunderthestars
Banned
I have been on the fence between a nexus 7 and an ipad mini. I think today's conference convinced me to go with the iPad mini and smart cover...
Really? I can't browse or read on my phone for more than a few minutes before I get really annoyed...
I'd much rather browse and read on the device on the right....
chickdigger802
Banned
now that i think about it, ipad mini weights only a little more than my kindle paperwhite.
holy balls.
Now i'm infinitely more curious about it. Would love to get hands on.
holy balls.
Now i'm infinitely more curious about it. Would love to get hands on.
Steve famously made several very public statements which ended up being misdirection. Brilliant really.
There's new finger rejection tech in iOS specifically for the mini. Forget who reported it, maybe Anand. Wish the N7 had that.
chickdigger802
Banned
I have been on the fence between a nexus 7 and an ipad mini. I think today's conference convinced me to go with the iPad mini and smart cover...
Really? I can't browse or read on my phone for more than a few minutes before I get really annoyed...
I'd much rather browse and read on the device on the right....
I've been fine with my laptop for so many years.
Still not sure if I need a tablet yet.
outunderthestars
Banned
It has the ability to distinguish between accidental and intentional presses near the bezel...
I was thinking about this too. they had to go with a super thin bezel to keep the device small since the screen is 4:3. But thumbs haven't gotten smaller and they still need to rest on the sides. I guess the lighter weight means you don't need the same grip as you do on the main ipad... But, still, I could see some accidental page turns or page scrolls as sides of the thumbs touch the screen.
edit:
is this new?
SuperPac
Member
In the fall of 2010 he said 7" tablets were going to be dead on arrival - most likely talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab and Blackberry Playbook. I don't think he was incorrect about that - the fortunes of Android tablets didn't turn around until last holiday season starting with the Kindle Fire.
But as pointed out, he often said something like this and then still entered whatever market he had complained about (phones).