Well, it's definitely not tacked on since, you know, a massive portion of their team worked dedicated to the multiplayer alone. You don't put aside millions to a particular mode as a meagre "tack on". People need to realise that just because a multiplayer mode is not to your taste, does not mean it is "tacked on".
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The Last of Us |OT| It Cant Be For Nothing (Spoilers)
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Well, it's definitely not tacked on since, you know, a massive portion of their team worked dedicated to the multiplayer alone. You don't put aside millions to a particular mode as a meagre "tack on". People need to realise that just because a multiplayer mode is not to your taste, does not mean it is "tacked on".
I gotta say though the
section was hit and miss for me.
I really liked the hunter encounters. They were really fun to fight. But I saw myself getting lost alot of the times in those levels and not really sure where to go or what to do next..again i feel this game could benefit alot from having a compass system where it points you in the right direction, also I wouldn't mind having that tip thing pop up whenever i want it to pop up. Instead the hint thing popped up after running around like an idiot for 10 minutes.
Also there was a shit ton of enemy encounters in that stage. My favorite was probably the basement hotel. That was scary and tense as fuck. Though the last 3/4th really made up for it..especially you get some nice exploration later in that level and a nice development.
pitsburgh
I really liked the hunter encounters. They were really fun to fight. But I saw myself getting lost alot of the times in those levels and not really sure where to go or what to do next..again i feel this game could benefit alot from having a compass system where it points you in the right direction, also I wouldn't mind having that tip thing pop up whenever i want it to pop up. Instead the hint thing popped up after running around like an idiot for 10 minutes.
Also there was a shit ton of enemy encounters in that stage. My favorite was probably the basement hotel. That was scary and tense as fuck. Though the last 3/4th really made up for it..especially you get some nice exploration later in that level and a nice development.
What? Just because I want co-op doesn't mean I want shoot bangs. How about two (or even more) people working together to stealthily take down enemies, timing it so you all sneak up on each target at the same time? There's a ton of potential for co-op, I'm really surprised they didn't include it. If it ends up being a DLC mode I'll be pissed.
I keep getting a bug where when it starts a MP game it'll cut out the sound until I restart the game.
You can't not aim for shit because it's 27fps. You can't aim for shit because you can't aim for shit. Millions of gamers have been aiming perfectly fine on thousands of games that have been 30fps or below. I actually played both the PC and PS3 versions of Tomb Raider, and again, barely felt a gameplay difference. You need a higher fps in PC games because you're using a high sensitivity mouse, you don't so much in consoles because you're using analogue sticks that have infinitely less movement range and less precision.
I don't think there's a third person shooter or this type of an adventure game this entire generation that has been 60fps. You get twitch action games like DMC etc that are, but that's again because they have a very fast tempo, high octane combat that relies heavily on quick combo's etc. A very different world from games like Last of Us, Gears or Killzone which are far slower and weightier affairs.
Bare in mind that in TLoU, weapons sway and move even if you don't. You need to counter balance that. It's essentially like countering recoil from the old days in games like Counter Strike, only now you have to combat recoil AND weapon sway, which to be honest is the natural next step to realistic gunplay. Something that too few games these days make people do.
MagicWithEarvin
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Damn ng+ doesnt let me start on survivor. Well at least theres a ng+.
So, you have to beat the game a minimum of 4 times to get all of the difficulty Trophies?
Damn ng+ doesnt let me start on survivor
Don't you have to beat the game on hard to unlock survivor/
timmaysmittay
Member
3.
Once on Hard (or any difficulty really), Once on Survival, Once on Survival+ iirc.
Really? You want to explain to me, that framerate and therefore the delay between input and output on the screen, doesn't influence how playable a game is?
Maybe you didn't feel a difference between a PC and PS3 Tomb Raider because your PC didn't run the game @60FPS. If it actually did and you can't feel how unbelievable much better 60FPS than 25 to 27FPS is, well then...you are kinda blessed I guess.
Really? You want to explain to me, that framerate and therefore the delay between input and output on the screen, doesn't influence how playable a game is?
Maybe you didn't feel a difference between a PC and PS3 Tomb Raider because your PC didn't run the game @60FPS. If it actually did and you can't feel how unbelievable much better 60FPS than 25 to 27FPS is, well then...you are kinda blessed I guess.
My PC probably ran the game at higher than that, though it was capped at 60fps. I don't have extreme hardware, but modest enough to run most games at very high settings getting decent frame rates, even Bioshock Infinite. I'm rocking a GTX 570 SSC, 3.8ghz i7, SSD hard drive etc etc.
Obviously 60fps is better than 30fps. But what I'm trying to say is that if you can't shoot in particular game, it's not because the game is 30fps. That notion is absurd.
Totally agreed. The MP is fantastic. Loving the clan system, punishes folks for quitting, rewards for assisting team members.
And there is hardly an emphasis on melee, melee weapons are very hard to come by. The MP's emphasis is on crafting, and teamwork.
Just finished my first playthrough and I'm really impressed with what they managed to get out of the PS3. Only negative is that I had the save bug and didn't realise until 12 hours too late, so after the credits the game just froze and I had to shut it off through the xmb menu. Nothing carried over once I restarted the game.
The ai seemed a bit wonky towards the end and there are some strange wall glitches if you line the gun sight up tight against a wall corner without the character sticking to the wall, it seems to despawn the background and you can get easy hits on your targets as they have no cover anymore.
The ai seemed a bit wonky towards the end and there are some strange wall glitches if you line the gun sight up tight against a wall corner without the character sticking to the wall, it seems to despawn the background and you can get easy hits on your targets as they have no cover anymore.
Dragon1893
Member
Yup, this kind of stuff is what makes the game special. Sometimes you have to make split second decisions, specially with clickers. Do I have a melee weapon to take it on? Do I have a shiv to avoid being insta-killed if it grabs me? Do I run to buy time to reload my weapon? It gets crazy.
Yesterday I was about to be grabbed by one and one of the other characters blew its head off at the last second. I thought I had time to reload but miscalculated.
I can aim at 30FPS, but it's worse than 60FPS. But even worse is a fluctuating framerate below 30FPS. I can still hit my enemy, obviously, but it's just no fun because it feels like a chore to do it and not like I'm in total control. I find it kinda hilarious that this is something that still needs to be discussed. I thought by now everyone would know and witness the difference.
Your 570 probably did not run Tomb Raider at 60 if you didn't lower most of the settings. The fact that you can't say it for sure tells alot about your perception though and fits very well to your other statements. No offense.
Dragon1893
Member
Damn ng+ doesnt let me start on survivor
You can't carry over ng+ to higher difficulty levels, that's normal.
You know, I don't feel comfortable comparing games separated by so many years. You could argue that 8 years later it better be but on the other hand it doesn't really work like that. It obviously isn't the gamechanger RE4 was but like I said above, I think ND have further perfected the formula, building on what has come before.
How is it not tacked on when there are two modes (which are basically the same) and like 4 maps?
I don't think you know what tacked on means.
I can aim at 30FPS, but it's worse than 60FPS. But even worse is a fluctuating framerate below 30FPS. I can still hit my enemy, obviously, but it's just no fun because it feels like a chore to do it and not like I'm in total control. I find it kinda hilarious that this is something that still needs to be discussed. I thought by now everyone would know and witness the difference.
Your 570 probably did not run Tomb Raider at 60 if you didn't lower most of the settings. The fact that you can't say it for sure tells alot about your perception though and fits very well to your other statements. No offense.
You're backtracking hardcore. You never said aiming was more difficult because of the frame rate, you said you couldn't aim for shit because of it. What I'm saying is that you can't aim because you can't aim, not because of the frame rate. It's more likely to do with the lack of auto aim, the recoil/sway, your skill with the controller, how you're getting on with the movement acceleration etc etc. Not frame rate.
I usually play with fraps open or on in the background. I'm pretty anal about it. It's also easier to notice frame rate drops on a PC than normal imo, partly because you're dropping from higher frame rates and partly because of monitors vs TV's etc.
You know you have a special game on your hands when you don't want it to end. Seriously, your first playthrough will always be the best, and knowing I'm heading towards the finish line is just depressing.
It's just a pity that games of this breadth and quality are so rare nowadays.
It's just a pity that games of this breadth and quality are so rare nowadays.
Just got to the part where you meet Bill and gather the supplies from the restaurant. Very compelling game, great characters and amazing attention to detail overall. Could very well be one of the very best games this generation has pumped out.
I guess I still have a long way to go with this game?
I guess I still have a long way to go with this game?
Dragon1893
Member
I can aim at 30FPS, but it's worse than 60FPS. But even worse is a fluctuating framerate below 30FPS. I can still hit my enemy, obviously, but it's just no fun because it feels like a chore to do it and not like I'm in total control. I find it kinda hilarious that this is something that still needs to be discussed. I thought by now everyone would know and witness the difference.
Your 570 probably did not run Tomb Raider at 60 if you didn't lower most of the settings. The fact that you can't say it for sure tells alot about your perception though and fits very well to your other statements. No offense.
You can easily get 60fps at 1080p on TR with a 570 with Tressfx off and a couple of other minor compromises.
My advice: stop playing console games.
My thoughts exactly.
MMaRsu
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You havent seen nothing yet
A long way to go indeed!
I beat the game on hard, id rather do a ng+ on hard again then start barebones on survival
iNvid02
Member
the narrative, the characters, the voice acting, the animation, the visuals, the lighting and shadows, the attention to detail, the incredibly satisfying combat, the intensity of the gameplay, the sound design, the atmosphere, gustavo's beautiful soundtrack, the exceptional pacing...
it just all comes together better than i could have hoped for. tlou is easily one of the greatest games of this generation. everyone at naughty dog should be incredibly proud of this.
being primarily a PC gamer you guys are one of the main reasons im even getting a PS4, i know the playstation is the only place to find the naughty dog experience, cannot wait to see what you guys craft with PS4.
it just all comes together better than i could have hoped for. tlou is easily one of the greatest games of this generation. everyone at naughty dog should be incredibly proud of this.
being primarily a PC gamer you guys are one of the main reasons im even getting a PS4, i know the playstation is the only place to find the naughty dog experience, cannot wait to see what you guys craft with PS4.
Dragon1893
Member
You havent seen nothing yet
A long way to go indeed!
That's good to know, I'm just a bit past that part.
I just started the demo area with my headphones on. Holy fucking amazeballs. That area looks worse than the previous ones, but the sound design is utterly brilliant. Just walking back and forth, listening to rain, thunder, rain on different surfaces.
the narrative, the characters, the voice acting, the animation, the visuals, the lighting and shadows, the attention to detail, the incredibly satisfying combat, the intensity of the gameplay, the sound design, the atmosphere, gustavo's beautiful soundtrack, the exceptional pacing...
it just all comes together better than i could have hoped for. tlou is easily one of the greatest games of this generation. everyone at naughty dog should be incredibly proud of this.
being primarily a PC gamer you guys are one of the main reasons im even getting a PS4, i know the playstation is the only place to find the naughty dog experience, cannot wait to see what you guys craft with PS4.
I think what makes Naughty Dog so special (and this applies to Irrational to) is there attention to detail. It's just so fucking amazing. You can tell they spent time going over every bit of this world that they created.
Also, some of the best occurrences in this game are the little ones. Ellie trying to whistle, or her playing darts, or her simply humming to herself when she's bored and your exploring. It's those little things that really immerse you into this world and her character, and it's something only a few developers really strive to do, unfortunately.
Of course, there should have been an action game better than RE4 years ago, but there wasn't. I'm not saying TLoU is the achievement RE4 was, I don't think it is.
MMaRsu
Member
Nawh man, it will only give you the option to ng+ on normal.
Nope
I wanted to do this too but I guess I'm just going to start a new save on Hard & then do a new game plus on that save.
Nope
I wanted to do this too but I guess I'm just going to start a new save on Hard & then do a new game plus on that save.
what if I load last chapter on hard?
MMaRsu
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Byronic Hero
Member
So... I just beat the game on hard and got no trophies at all. It says I finished the game in the "tags" menu, but no trophies. What the hell.
MrCookiepants
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I don't know about that, but one of them is my favourite game of last generation and the other could be my favourite game of this generation (we'll see how the ending turns out).
Reckless Onion
Member
The experience you get from 60fps on consoles is way less input delay/lag, so much more responsive. I can aim way better in a 60fps game then a sub 30.
It was the first thing I noticed playing this, input delay, but i guess it can't get much better at 30. I must say I've been playing nothing but pc at +60fps last year or so, so i'm extremely sensitive to it.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Try restarting your PS3 and syncing your Trophies to the server, then start the game up again.
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
Edit: Holy shit, massive wrong thread fuck up. Please delete.
Illithid Dude
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Everyone is saying that the game doesn't really start until you meet Bill. How far long do you meet Bill?
Byronic Hero
Member
Nope. Still nothing. And after all that trouble I went through to play on hard....
toastyToast
Member
3 and a half hours for me. I'd say it gets interesting after meeting Ellie but since I stopped at Bill earlier so maybe it'll make everything before that point retroactively boring somehow.