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The Last Remnant |OT| of DON'T LISTEN TO REVIEWERS!
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Diseased Yak
Gold Member
After approx. 150 hours:
What a epically long, sometimes-awesome, sometimes-frustrating experience. I'd put The Last Remnant easily in my personal Top 10 RPG's of All Time list, probably even in the top 5 right behind Chrono Trigger, FF IV, VI, and Suikoden II.
What I liked:
- battle system that rewards thought, tactics
- rewarding the grind, if done correctly
- interesting, though slow to develop plot
- ability to save anywhere
- difficulty
What I hated:
- difficulty
- crazy, batshit-insane quest requirements
- no stats screen. Seriously WTF Square-Enix?!
- the BradyGames guide. Worst I've ever seen.
Clearly this game was meant to be played with a guide. There is literally no way in Hell anyone would ever be able to complete all of the side quests without one. The way in which the game screws you if you link monsters is bizarre too. I only half followed the recommended leveling guide, linking like crazy early on even. I beat the AC at BR111 on my first try. I had only 3 people with Weapon Arts, but it was enough.
I really hope SE does a sequel to this game, especially given the little extra bit after the credits when you beat the game. The plot is certainly intriguing and I think they've invented a nice little world here. Would be a shame to not see them expand on it.
What a epically long, sometimes-awesome, sometimes-frustrating experience. I'd put The Last Remnant easily in my personal Top 10 RPG's of All Time list, probably even in the top 5 right behind Chrono Trigger, FF IV, VI, and Suikoden II.
What I liked:
- battle system that rewards thought, tactics
- rewarding the grind, if done correctly
- interesting, though slow to develop plot
- ability to save anywhere
- difficulty
What I hated:
- difficulty
- crazy, batshit-insane quest requirements
- no stats screen. Seriously WTF Square-Enix?!
- the BradyGames guide. Worst I've ever seen.
Clearly this game was meant to be played with a guide. There is literally no way in Hell anyone would ever be able to complete all of the side quests without one. The way in which the game screws you if you link monsters is bizarre too. I only half followed the recommended leveling guide, linking like crazy early on even. I beat the AC at BR111 on my first try. I had only 3 people with Weapon Arts, but it was enough.
I really hope SE does a sequel to this game, especially given the little extra bit after the credits when you beat the game. The plot is certainly intriguing and I think they've invented a nice little world here. Would be a shame to not see them expand on it.
AgentOtaku
Member
A friend of mine that works at a game seller (private) tried the game on his PC rig (unfortunately I have a pre built shitty computer, so I'm going to buy this when I get my hands on at least a 9500GT) and a 19" Monitor with everything set to medium/high medium it's awesome. No texture popping, no loadings, battles smooth as ever. Im going to enjoy this game, which is awesome because I couldnt enjoy it because of the slowdowns on the 360 and because I got wrong a lot of things. Too high BR, bosses became overpowered, missed a lot of quests... I had to restard but the PC version is out now so I'm going to buy it and wait for the video card to ship
Feindflug said:
The framerate issues are there, no doubt. Installing helps a lot but waiting for textures to load each time and sometimes whit big attaks going on screen the FPS drop can be noticed A LOT. I think the last game I played with those slowdowns was Ratchet and Clank gladiator in multiplayer with final weapons with a lot of enemies shooting with the weapon that had a big range and that "falling laser" effect.
The 360 is fine when installed BUT for anyone who hasn't grab this yet and can run it on a PC(it really doesn't require a bomb to run it well) go PC for sure,I couldn't believe the difference just with the demo compared to the 360...it's like the 360 during battles is entirely in slow motion,even installed.
Witchfinder General
punched Wheelchair Mike
Just picked this up for the 360.
Pretty good so far. Lovely graphics (despite the texture loading, slowdown and long loading screens), great battle system and decent music. The animation is rather stilted and the voice acting is pretty bad but not enough to ruin things.
I've heard this game can be punishingly hard, especially if you like to grind (which I do).
Any tips? Also, any online guides I should be following?
Cheers.
Pretty good so far. Lovely graphics (despite the texture loading, slowdown and long loading screens), great battle system and decent music. The animation is rather stilted and the voice acting is pretty bad but not enough to ruin things.
I've heard this game can be punishingly hard, especially if you like to grind (which I do).
Any tips? Also, any online guides I should be following?
Cheers.
For some tips, you can see my post on the PC thread:
link
For guides, there's a spreadsheet with leader stats that's useful on seeing what you should want to use them for:
linky
Also a very comprehensive quest quide/walkthrough on IGN site with pics and stuff if you ever get stuck:
guide
Also you can always ask for help in this or the pc thread. Happy gaming!
link
For guides, there's a spreadsheet with leader stats that's useful on seeing what you should want to use them for:
linky
Also a very comprehensive quest quide/walkthrough on IGN site with pics and stuff if you ever get stuck:
guide
Also you can always ask for help in this or the pc thread. Happy gaming!
Baloonatic
Member
Quick question. Do the guild tasks ever expire or can I just do them whenever?
I had to take the game off my HDD last month and now I don't have any room to put it back on(2 TR DLC,some RB songs etc)and for the first time last evening,I got the unreadable disk error,right at the last encounter,not bad I guess after close to 100 hours with the game.
I was getting my ass kicked also early on...for those that finished the game,what BR rank where you at? i'm currently BR 96,4 Unions,2 that have over 5,000 hp,the weakest one is my fourth,HP wise,with not even 3,000 but they can restore/refresh/revitalise like crazy...Irina has "kiss of life" which is pretty nice.
I was getting my ass kicked also early on...for those that finished the game,what BR rank where you at? i'm currently BR 96,4 Unions,2 that have over 5,000 hp,the weakest one is my fourth,HP wise,with not even 3,000 but they can restore/refresh/revitalise like crazy...Irina has "kiss of life" which is pretty nice.
Im think I am near the end of the game. I had a lot of trouble on a certain boss battle. I've read that you should skip fighting ennemies, and only fight strong ones to get strong. I've fought weak ennemies for hours after hours to mine stuff from caves. So I've done the opposite of what I should have. Am I skrewed?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you should have no trouble in the final bossfight of the game if you can put together a strong melee union in Battle Crown formation, that has enough hp to survive the Final Eclipse (in BC you have 0% Mys. Defense, hence the hp requirement). Keeping that union up will be a bit of a gamble depending on what attacks you get from the
, but it's deadly effective when you get to lay down the hurt yourself; especially with weapon arts. If you're not getting hit by spells, you can easily shrug off the damage.
On top of that, you should have 2-3 weapon arts altogether in your unions, so you can put out enough melee damage and hopefully put him down fast after he goes all Savage on you
Conqueror
On top of that, you should have 2-3 weapon arts altogether in your unions, so you can put out enough melee damage and hopefully put him down fast after he goes all Savage on you
Diseased Yak said:After approx. 150 hours:
What a epically long, sometimes-awesome, sometimes-frustrating experience. I'd put The Last Remnant easily in my personal Top 10 RPG's of All Time list, probably even in the top 5 right behind Chrono Trigger, FF IV, VI, and Suikoden II.
What I liked:
- battle system that rewards thought, tactics
- rewarding the grind, if done correctly
- interesting, though slow to develop plot
- ability to save anywhere
- difficulty
What I hated:
- difficulty
- crazy, batshit-insane quest requirements
- no stats screen. Seriously WTF Square-Enix?!
- the BradyGames guide. Worst I've ever seen.
Clearly this game was meant to be played with a guide. There is literally no way in Hell anyone would ever be able to complete all of the side quests without one. The way in which the game screws you if you link monsters is bizarre too. I only half followed the recommended leveling guide, linking like crazy early on even. I beat the AC at BR111 on my first try. I had only 3 people with Weapon Arts, but it was enough.
I really hope SE does a sequel to this game, especially given the little extra bit after the credits when you beat the game. The plot is certainly intriguing and I think they've invented a nice little world here. Would be a shame to not see them expand on it.
This is incredible. I wish I could do the same thing. Just when I was starting to enjoy the game, my party
leaves me and have no fucking clue what am supposed to do so I said fuck it. Hope I can return to it some day though.
Tailzo said:
If it's the one I'm thinking about (
Icy Idol
Alternatively, you can bring along a single mystic union and hope you get a Blackout or a similar full-screen attack in the early parts of the fight, which should help you immensely in bossfights like this.
Generally, your pacing should be to attack with the melee union and have two unions in standby, healing themselves if you get hit by acid rain and hopefully being able to Kiss of Life any union that goes down. Two support unions means you can hopefully intercept the boss as well if you need to bring an union back up.
Finally beat this tonight! What a phenomenal, phenomenal game - probably one of my favorite JRPGs ever.
Although it doesn't give you a clock, I'd guess that I logged about 70-80 hours or so. My only disappointment is that there was no achievement for just beating the game (have to beat all sidequests? eff that - this was the most time I ever put into a game as it is :lol ).
Although it doesn't give you a clock, I'd guess that I logged about 70-80 hours or so. My only disappointment is that there was no achievement for just beating the game (have to beat all sidequests? eff that - this was the most time I ever put into a game as it is :lol ).
Finished the PC version a few hours ago. For what i've been told the PC version is noticeably harder than the 360 version, and i felt it. The game was pretty good, but the battle system is extremely annoying and frustrating sometimes, mainly because of the randomness of the actions of your team (sometimes beating a difficult battle in a turn, or losing a easy battle because you get retarded actions and the enemy powerful area attacks). If the game would had let you manually select the actions of the team, the battle system would be a lot less frustrating.
The story was weak overall. Too many loopholes and the ending was poor. The best are the sidequests, plenty of them and a lot of different scenarios and towns you wouldn't even visit if you stick to the main quest.
Overall i liked it, but it got so annoying sometimes than i don't think i will repeat the experience with the New Game+
The story was weak overall. Too many loopholes and the ending was poor. The best are the sidequests, plenty of them and a lot of different scenarios and towns you wouldn't even visit if you stick to the main quest.
Overall i liked it, but it got so annoying sometimes than i don't think i will repeat the experience with the New Game+
masterkajo
Member
I am thinking of picking this game up (for Xbox 360 because my PC just needed 15-17 seconds to start up firefox...). I am not totally convinced though.
I really like that it presents a challange and I also like spending some time getting to know a complex battle system - however what I have seen in videos so far leaves me totally clueless concerning the battle system. There are so many quick camera cuts that I hardly know who is who and where during battles. Besides I heard that you do not always get the commands you are looking for --> frustration (not one of my favorites). One last thing, is there a need for tactic in battles or do you just have to grind for some fights?
Just tell me that I will get used to the complex battle system (I don't mind putting a little time into learning it) and that it is worth (also storywise which is important for me) €40.-
Thanks!
I really like that it presents a challange and I also like spending some time getting to know a complex battle system - however what I have seen in videos so far leaves me totally clueless concerning the battle system. There are so many quick camera cuts that I hardly know who is who and where during battles. Besides I heard that you do not always get the commands you are looking for --> frustration (not one of my favorites). One last thing, is there a need for tactic in battles or do you just have to grind for some fights?
Just tell me that I will get used to the complex battle system (I don't mind putting a little time into learning it) and that it is worth (also storywise which is important for me) €40.-
Thanks!
The last thing you should do in the game is grind. If you're not getting the attack options you want, either you haven't formed your group properly, or you've put them in a position where they can't use those abilities. Certain more powerful abilities have hidden requirements, so they'll essentially only show when you really need them, but I'm pretty convinced the game isn't random.
I'm only three battles from the end. I should get off my ass, and beat it already.
I'm only three battles from the end. I should get off my ass, and beat it already.
This was my concern before as well when watching videos. This *never* became an issue when I was actually playing the game, though.masterkajo said:
You *never* have to grind. You might have to recustomize your unions and hire new soldiers (which you can recruit for free) to tackle some encounters, though. Which is great! Changing things around is pretty painless.
The commands you get depend on morale, how much AP you have, positioning, and unit setup. I can't say I've really had any problems where I couldn't get what general skills I wanted (maybe not the *exact* one, but it never became an issue).
If you like a good challenge and a good innovative turn-based system, give this a try. Make sure you install on the HD, though.
masterkajo
Member
Sorry to disappoint you.Nolan. said:Everytime I see this thread bumped I think it might be news on the ps3 version
And thanks for the quick answers! I guess I don't need to worry what I will be playing for the next month then!
fistwell_old
Member
Uh oh...masterkajo said:
The story sucks donkey balls. Like... big donkey balls.
Really fun game though, very different from the usual stuff, gameplay wise. They did an excellent job of streamlining commands to allow you to control a reasonably big-ish party. Yet it's still deep and strategic, in terms of how you set up your teams (before fights), and how you use them (during).
If the fighting clicks, you'll probably love it. You might have to give it some time though. I started a second play through recently, and was reminded of how slow the first couple of hours were.
Oh, and the game has cool side quests!!
Bren McGuire
Member
I tried playing again after a month or so and I'm at the boss fights around Koenigsdorf. I've tried a few of them but the ones in base 3 and 5 seem unbeatable. They just wipe me in 1-2 rounds and there's nothing I can do. Before finishing the first disc I did all the sidequests gaining maybe 25 battle ranks without gaining any new skills because the enemies were too weak. Looks like I'll have to restart the game to beat it, thanks to the level scaling system, don't I?
Bren McGuire said:
If you've beaten the other Bases Boss,you shouldn't have to start over...try changing your unions,not sure if you are going with 4,you should,get at least 1 with high HP,stack up on ingredients to revive(at that point,i had enough money to buy 100 of everything) and you should get them eventually,I had a hard time with 2 of them also but after a few BR and some changes,I finally beat them.
dragonlife
Member
I'm playing the game as we speak and I finally understand battles now I'm currently in Blackdale, so I'm not that far in. Honestly, though, I really, really like the game.
I still don't fully get Union Boards, though , but Aaron's post above piqued my interest in changing things up a bit just to see any differences.
I'm currently in Blackdale, so I'm not that far in. Honestly, though, I really, really like the game.I still don't fully get Union Boards, though , but Aaron's post above piqued my interest in changing things up a bit just to see any differences.
This is the kind of game where don't expect to get it right away, and don't worry about getting it either. You should be pretty far in before you finally smack your head against a boss that won't seem to go down. For most people its Gates of Hell at the end of disk 1. Another tip, when picking regular soldiers, choose from the bottom of the list. They have more experience and often two ability types.dragonlife29 said:I'm playing the game as we speak and I finally understand battles now
I still don't fully get Union Boards, though , but Aaron's post above piqued my interest in changing things up a bit just to see any differences.
octopusman
Member
Playing the Last Remnant on PC here, It's surprisingly smooth on my pretty mid-range computer, Even with all the pretty settings set to max, just give it a second for the textures to load when you enter an area and bam! smooth as silk.
No thing that CONSTANTLY BUGS THE FUCKING CRAP OUT OF ME is that it still has the X360 controller buttons for critical quicktimes and other places. I don't understand why they don't just have the button I need to press, REALLY SE IS IT THAT MUCH TROUBLE TO CHANGE AN ICON. My keyboard has no Right Trigger.
It's seriously been a blast this first day, tough battles and getting used to the battle system.
No thing that CONSTANTLY BUGS THE FUCKING CRAP OUT OF ME is that it still has the X360 controller buttons for critical quicktimes and other places. I don't understand why they don't just have the button I need to press, REALLY SE IS IT THAT MUCH TROUBLE TO CHANGE AN ICON. My keyboard has no Right Trigger.
It's seriously been a blast this first day, tough battles and getting used to the battle system.
Just beat the game today, I had fun playing it. The battle system was interesting and unique, but the story was laughably bad at some points. It was pretty difficult at certain points, though I didn't die to too many bosses and didn't grind at all. I would recommend this game to anyone on the fence about purchasing it.
pancakesandsex
Member
Grabbed the pc version to christen a 9800gt, runs flawlessly at 60fps in a 720p window.
Rush is a douche.
Rush is a douche.