I thought I'd expand on why I called all LCDs terrible earlier: The motion resolution on all of them just really flat out
sucks. And to keep it relevant to the earlier topic, the less input lag it has, the worse the motion resolution likely is. Manufacturers lessen the processing which LCDs need to maintain a decent motion resolution (also the reason Game Modes and the like have less input lag is because they disable processing features) to lower the input lag. So the ones that don't completely lose most of their resolution in motion will be bad for games anyways due to their latency. Low latency LCDs are essentially low resolution LCDs (about 500 lines of resolution or less, depends on the panel quality and type but either way it's gonna be there and not look pretty, just a flaw of the tech) in motion. Yes, even the 1080p ones. If you're used to the way LCD looks it won't bother you really, but objectively speaking it's ass and I want to steer people making new purchases on the right path.
Even though Cave games aren't paragons of resolution, they are still being scaled to a resolution and then that scaled image will be trashed in realtime. So if you're using smoothing on low-res games like say MMP/PS or Guwange and outputting at native resolution, the image is basically being blurred twice: once by the filter, once by the LCD's faltering resolution as things move. And things move a lot in these games! So it can be bothersome. Also, the viewing angles can be troublesome for TATE depending on the panel.
Plasma displays can hold pretty much all of their advertised motion resolution with processing, and a tad less without it. I remember when I first got my Plasma and activated the CinemaSmooth/4:4 pulldown mode for true 24p output on Blu-rays, I thought it was some sort of motion interpolation feature because things just looked
too smooth in motion. But I was just used to the way things fell apart in motion on my LCD after so many years -- it was jarring to see things displayed properly. Bizarre. The 60hz interpolation that happens when you leave it disengaged made me feel more comfortable, I guess. I eventually got used to the 4:4 24p mode though, since it's proper and all. I definitely can't go back to LCD now. Not just because of the motion resolution (but this is a big one and the biggest change for me) but also because of the other advantages that Plasma has in picture quality. There are some disadvantages to Plasma like dithering noise and temporary image retention, but both are really only issues if you sit really close to your TV. The rest that I'm aware of are dependent on the quality/manufacturer/model. Plasma tech has really made huge strides over the years.
So basically like I said earlier: Plasma for a general display (any Plasma is going to be pretty decently sized too, so you could probably just play in yoko and leave it horizontally oriented while still having a large amount of playing space) that can work pretty well for STGs/arcade games. CRT for dedicated, optimal STG/arcade game display.
pizzaroll,
This broadcast monitor is the VGA only version...essentially my Dreamcast monitor.. I have a second J-360 I might eventually feed into it though. My current upscaler is the Mini...won't help me with VGA. I wanna get an XRGB3 eventually though.
Ah, yeah. I remember you posting the model name in the pickup thread I think and it was the extension for the 31khz only model but I wasn't sure if I remembered too clearly and maybe got you confused with somebody else since there's been tons of cool arcade-related pickups in the threads the past few months. Still a top notch display though, plus it's the best way to view the upgraded high-res modes in the 360 ports that have them.
Do XRGBs do downscaling? Extron Emotias are kinda costly and hard to find, and I'd like to have a scaler ready for when I finally see another PVM go up on Craigslist.
I need to get a Saturn->360 converter first though (I have to get this made from some guy on SRK and it's kinda costly), it'd be nice to not have to use the 360 d-pad. It's not as bad as people say... it's pretty functional once they get broken in. But it's definitely not optimal and has lead to some unintended imprecise movements resulting in deaths more than a couple of times. I can't use a stick, before you guys get confused. And I tried one of the Hori pads and it crapped out after awhile... after I use it for a few minutes it gets stuck in one direction. Would rather have a circular Saturn d-pad in any case, not a big fan of cross d-pads.
Yeah I've always felt like the PS2 shooters I was playing on my PS3 were suffered from additional lag. That would explain it. But jeez, that means if we want to play PS2 shumps we gotta wrestle out the PS2 and hook it up...sigh.
Yep. At least Slim PS2s are really low-profile and easy to keep around, and easy to mod to circumvent region protection on games so you can have one unit to play your whole collection. So it's not that painful to keep around.
Tangentially related, but I don't know what I'm going to do with my non-NTSC-J compatible STG collection when I finally get a J360... I like to keep things clutter free and nice looking, and having two huge (the Slim isn't even remotely slim, also the design is
ugly different from my black Jasper Elite anyways so that'll probably bother me beyond just taking up more space, lol. At least if Microsoft stuck to the original design, I could keep two consoles as a matching pair and have it look decent while just taking up space. But nope!) consoles setup to play games of varying regions is probably something that'll grate on me.

And I'll also have to keep the US 360 to play MMP Matsuri and Futari 1.01 offline (MMP Matsuri is more of a novelty but Futari 1.01 Original is one of my favorite modes and definitely the best iteration of Futari Original) -- and my 360 is offline always with the exceptions being the need to download a patch, buy DLC, or if I want to look at some replays on the scoreboards -- unless I do a license transfer to the J360 iirc, which I'll only do if I fill in all the holes and make my entire collection NTSC-J compatible.
But I'll also have a hard time justifying the probable ~$200 (probably more) it'll take to rebuy Raiden Fighters Aces, Akai Katana, Deathsmiles, Daifukkatsu (I don't like 1.5 at all so I guess I could just get the Black Label disc but that's still money too!), not sure if I missed any. And on the digital side, I might have to rebuy DS2X (on disc the second time around, though) since there's probably some weirdness with moving Games on Demand purchases to another console.
Basically fuck region locking, bad console redesigns, and restrictive DRM.
