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Yes Boss!

Member
Cool,

Bit where is our Maximum for iOS users ;-(

Incidentally, played a bit of Espgaluda II on my friend's iPad. Really cool. Wish I had an iPad.
 

colui

Member
Dodonpachi on Android requires over 1GB and my phone doesn't have that :(
Is there a way to download it on the SD? I already put the 2.5MB installer on the SD, but it still tries to download the rest on the phone.
 

Zeth

Member
Seems like you have to download them through some janky sign-in service after installing the lite versions. Oh well, hope we get some Futari love next!

Edit: For some reason the full versions aren't compatible with the Nexus 7, weird.
 

Kandrick

GAF's Ed McMahon
Just noticed Akai Katana was released on Games on Demand this week. Time to buy it so i don't have to change discs anymore!.

1840 allards though, DodonPachi Resurrection was only 1200.
 

Yes Boss!

Member
Tempted to buy the RFA that is up on the NA store. So it can live on the system. Think it is only $20.

And dug out the PS2 cause I set up a tate CRT for Saturn. Can't believe how great Espgaluda is. I know it is an easier game but I must have gotten better at shooters in the last 18 months cause I'm getting really far!
 
Just noticed Akai Katana was released on Games on Demand this week. Time to buy it so i don't have to change discs anymore!.

1840 allards though, DodonPachi Resurrection was only 1200.

Do we know if the Games on Demand version is region locked? I'd like to buy this but it would have to work on my Japanese 360.
 

meppi

Member
Do we know if the Games on Demand version is region locked? I'd like to buy this but it would have to work on my Japanese 360.

Will let you know in a little bit. I bought it on my pal 360 a couple of days ago and am now downloading it to my Japanese 360 from my regular pal account.
Didn't get an error or warning, so far so good.

Wondering if it'll boot up when the download is complete though...
 

meppi

Member
Ah, damnit.
When the download finished and I tried booting the game I got an error code stating the system region was wrong for the game I was trying to boot.

Seems like the European GoD version of Akai Katana is indeed region locked. :(
 

Danny Dudekisser

I paid good money for this Dynex!
I really need to buy Mushihime HD... now that I can actually play it again (since I'm back where my J360 is). Just wish it wasn't so goddamned expensive :-/
 

Jucksalbe

Banned
I really need to buy Mushihime HD... now that I can actually play it again (since I'm back where my J360 is). Just wish it wasn't so goddamned expensive :-/
For anyone that's interested: Mushihimesa is part of the Summer Sale at Yesasia.
The standard edition is $64.99 and the Limited Edition is $84.99.
Too bad it's region locked. :(

Sale is still going on. Or is that too expensive, too?
 

Danny Dudekisser

I paid good money for this Dynex!
Sale is still going on. Or is that too expensive, too?

Uh.... holy shit, dude. Thanks for that. I was prepared to drop $30-40 more than that.

Any idea if all the copies of Mushi come with the DLC code? I know it was supposed to be a first print thing, but I dunno if the game ever got a second print.
 

blanco21

Member
I wish they would just put Espgaluda II and DDP:R on GOD already. So tempted to buy DDP:R for my phone, but I know I'm going to regret/spoil it.
 
Uh.... holy shit, dude. Thanks for that. I was prepared to drop $30-40 more than that.

Any idea if all the copies of Mushi come with the DLC code? I know it was supposed to be a first print thing, but I dunno if the game ever got a second print.

I think Cave's LEs only get one print, so all of them should include any first print bonuses. I'm not 100% sure on that though.
 

Yes Boss!

Member
Oh crap. I got hit with freaking IP blocking.

Akai Katana up on GoD inspired me to go download Raiden Fighters to live on my 360. Only to get hit with a "Not available in your region" crap.

US 360 in Europe, what a bunch of bunk.
 
Been playing some Daioujou lately and making some progress. Made it all the way to stage 5 with a couple of dumb deaths. Things really start going downhill once I hit stage four and get to the train section.

I have no idea how to deal with the trains and everything that comes after.

This game is so hard. Argh!!!!
 

Yes Boss!

Member
I've got a long four-day weekend so put together a little gamespace for the weekend with some tated monitors, a PS2 and Saturn and 360. Been shmuping it up all evening! Kinda like a mini arcade and I'm playing on the floor like a kid on Saturday morning. Check it out:

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Ramune

Member
I've got a long four-day weekend so put together a little gamespace for the weekend with some tated monitors, a PS2 and Saturn and 360. Been shmuping it up all evening! Kinda like a mini arcade and I'm playing on the floor like a kid on Saturday morning. Check it out:

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Oh wow! ! (&#9678;_&#9678; ) <3 <3
Wish I was home. Now I wanna play my shmups! Guess my iPhone will do for now...
 

NZA36

Neo Member
I've got a long four-day weekend so put together a little gamespace for the weekend with some tated monitors, a PS2 and Saturn and 360. Been shmuping it up all evening! Kinda like a mini arcade and I'm playing on the floor like a kid on Saturday morning. Check it out:

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That's a small piece of heaven right there.
 

Zeth

Member
^ even on the floor that's a cool setup and I'm jealous.

Still working at Futari BL Original mode. My scoring is great, I just can't survive. And my runs are so much muscle memory that I just can't break out and be more conservative for survival. For example every time stage 2 starts I'll tell myself I'm not going for the full shed/milk of the turtle midboss but I'll end up doing it and dying half the time. Or the big beetles in stage 3. I'm working in it though. If all else fails I'll start with Maniac, which has been kind of brutal for me.
 
Boss, how are those screens? Are they LCDs?

Do folks have any good advice for LCD monitors or TVs that have as little lag as possible? I've been playing my 360 on a monitor with about 3 frames of lag for awhile now and it's always bugged me.
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
Boss, how are those screens? Are they LCDs?

Do folks have any good advice for LCD monitors or TVs that have as little lag as possible? I've been playing my 360 on a monitor with about 3 frames of lag for awhile now and it's always bugged me.
http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/sub-1-frame-hdtv-monitor-input-lag-database.145141/

Side advice: All LCDs are terrible even when looking past the lack of input lag they have now, go for Plasma if you want a general display (plus good plasmas have low input lag too so you can dual-purpose if you want) and if you want a dedicated display for STGs, get a good CRT or two.


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Still kicking myself for not picking up two (one for TATE one for hori) Sony PVM 2950 CRT monitors last year for $100 each when a guy in my area was selling some. I'm so, so dumb.
 
http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/sub-1-frame-hdtv-monitor-input-lag-database.145141/

Side advice: All LCDs are terrible even when looking past the lack of input lag they have now, go for Plasma if you want a general display (plus good plasmas have low input lag too so you can dual-purpose if you want) and if you want a dedicated display for STGs, get a good CRT or two.


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Still kicking myself for not picking up two (one for TATE one for hori) Sony PVM 2950 CRT monitors last year for $100 each when a guy in my area was selling some. I'm so, so dumb.

What I hate about CRTs is that they're so bulky. I guess I should just bite the bullet and pick one up though, because for some games the input lag has really affected how well I play.

Anyways and unrelatedly, you clearly have the best avatar on GAF.
 

Yes Boss!

Member
Boss, how are those screens? Are they LCDs?

Do folks have any good advice for LCD monitors or TVs that have as little lag as possible? I've been playing my 360 on a monitor with about 3 frames of lag for awhile now and it's always bugged me.

The one on the left is a straight-up ghetto CRT. Some generic brand sold in europe or something. It even has bad overscsan...so much so that a bit of the boss life line is not visible on Espgaluda. BUT, I've been playing lots of Saturn and PS2 today on it and I'm really surprised how good it looks, nice scan lines, curved screen...just no adjustment. Gunbird looks phenomonal. It was free and all I had to do was carry it up to the fourth floor. Image quality is comparable to my little beater Neo candy cab.

The one on the right is an RGB CRT monitor. This one looks really nice, especially for the chunky Cave games like Guwange and Pink/Pork.

They don't have any lag, the CRTs. All the LCDs do have some lag, though. I usually can't tell but I'm also not a detailed player so LCD generally does not bother me. I had the EVO monitor last year while in the middle east and was pleased with that. I could still feel the slugish PSN/PS1 ports, though. Supposed to be fast, that monitor. I donated it to the guys that replaced us, though. I was using an XRGB with it and Rhythm Paradise still felt a little "off."

I guess if you've got the room then keep an eye out for an old CRT. I see them pop up here and there and grab them. I've got a couple others in cali...a little 20" I used for Ketsui, another Sony broadcast monitor and a straight-up tri-sync arcade monitor.
 

therapist

Member
Can someone please clarify something for me?

I thought ESP galuda 2 black label was Region Free?

http://www.yesasia.com/global/espga...n-japan-version/1024202659-0-0-0-en/info.html

This says its japan only?

Its weird cuz on ebay the same game , some listing say region free some say region locked but its the same cover and all that jazz.

For 40$ i wanna order it , but obviously only if i can play it (Dont have a JP 360)

Any info appreciated! Thanks!

For example : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/New-Espgalud...Games_Games&hash=item2573f7c0dc#ht_5623wt_906

The wiki even says its region free : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espgaluda_II

"Following the region-free release of Mushihime-sama Futari, Makoto Asada of Cave announced that the standard edition of Espgaluda II Black Label will be region-free, allowing North American and European players to import the game. Platinum edition is also region free but the Limited Edition, which includes a soundtrack and Xbox 360 faceplate, will not be region-free. The first print of the standard edition also includes a soundtrack.[2]"

I shouldnt have a problem i think i just answered my own question but confirmation couldnt hurt -_-

EDIT : FUCK. This site says free INT shipping but doesnt ship to canada or the us. Lolz nvm...
 

Yes Boss!

Member
The plat Espgaluda II is region-free, despite what the sellers list. As is the original standard edition. The Limited Edition (with the faceplate, or more child-like cover) is the version that is region-locked.
 

japtor

Member
Should be region free. Some sellers on Amazon have it too if you want to shop around some more.

Also should I consider you a therapist, or "the rapist"?
 

therapist

Member
Should be region free. Some sellers on Amazon have it too if you want to shop around some more.

Also should I consider you a therapist, or "the rapist"?

Either or , your call chief.

Yea thats the problem im in Canada and none of the amazon retailers ship to here...

Only ebay and its not cheap...like 60$ min with shipping.

yesasia free int shipping apparently means : "This site does not ship to the United States and Canada
To ship to the United States and Canada, please click this button.Details"

Fail

Play-asia is out of stock and freaking like 88 dollars...no way im payin that for a platinum hit game...

Thanks anyways guys...ill keep lookin around

Edit ; nvm im an idiot , yesasia has a seperate section for canada/us and its the same price.
Ordering :D
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
What I hate about CRTs is that they're so bulky. I guess I should just bite the bullet and pick one up though, because for some games the input lag has really affected how well I play.
Yeah, one of the reasons I held off (still was stupid to do though) on getting those PVMs last year was that I'd have to basically rearrange my room and build (build build, not spend an afternoon hammering together some boards. would require a fairly decent amount of time at the least with all the sanding and painting in consideration) an extremely sturdy stand that could handle both of them without looking dumb and/or collapsing because even if I just moved some stuff I'd have the room, but I didn't want those two hulking beasts to just sit on the floor and make my room look like some junky shmups forum poster setup.

But the next time I see any PVMs, I'm going to snap them up no matter what. I got serious nonbuyers remorse from that missed oppurtunity.

Anyways and unrelatedly, you clearly have the best avatar on GAF.
Indeed.


The one on the right is an RGB CRT monitor. This one looks really nice, especially for the chunky Cave games like Guwange and Pink/Pork.
Does it support 15khz/240p? You could buy an Extron Emotia downscaler to bring them down to 240p so they'd look pretty much identical to running the arcade board.

I could still feel the slugish PSN/PS1 ports, though. Supposed to be fast, that monitor. I donated it to the guys that replaced us, though. I was using an XRGB with it and Rhythm Paradise still felt a little "off."
Probably an issue with the emulation and/or PS3.

I've read that something with the PS3's OS/rendering pipeline forces a two-frame delay on everything ontop of any delay that the game itself has. Don't quote me on that though.

Current input lag analysis from DF also supports this too, both (S?)SF4 and Vanquish had two extra frames of lag on the PS3 iirc. I'm not sure of any other games they analyzed the lag for on both platforms though.
 
Yeah, one of the reasons I held off (still was stupid to do though) on getting those PVMs last year was that I'd have to basically rearrange my room and build (build build, not spend an afternoon hammering together some boards. would require a fairly decent amount of time at the least with all the sanding and painting in consideration) an extremely sturdy stand that could handle both of them without looking dumb and/or collapsing because even if I just moved some stuff I'd have the room, but I didn't want those two hulking beasts to just sit on the floor and make my room look like some junky shmups forum poster setup.

Yeah a friend gave me a CRT a couple years ago and I had it propped up vertically on the floor for a year, but it was so obnoxious to connect and I had nowhere to prop it so I eventually threw it out. So yeah *building* sounds like it would be worth it.

Probably an issue with the emulation and/or PS3.

I've read that something with the PS3's OS/rendering pipeline forces a two-frame delay on everything ontop of any delay that the game itself has. Don't quote me on that though.

Current input lag analysis from DF also supports this too, both (S?)SF4 and Vanquish had two extra frames of lag on the PS3 iirc. I'm not sure of any other games they analyzed the lag for on both platforms though.

Yeah I've always felt like the PS2 shooters I was playing on my PS3 were suffered from additional lag. That would explain it. But jeez, that means if we want to play PS2 shumps we gotta wrestle out the PS2 and hook it up...sigh.
 
Do folks have any good advice for LCD monitors or TVs that have as little lag as possible? I've been playing my 360 on a monitor with about 3 frames of lag for awhile now and it's always bugged me.

I use the Asus PA238Q. It has ~8ms input lag (half a frame), DVI & HDMI ports, and it comes with a stand that lets you swivel and rotate. It was one of the best monitors I could find for my setup when I was searching for one 9-10 months ago, but maybe some better stuff is available now.
 

Yes Boss!

Member
That is just what I did. Pulled everything out. Knew I had four days off and went upstairs to my little storage room and shleped it out. I even found my swap-disc since the PS2 I've got here is a NA version. Honestly was just gonna leave it all packed up and pull it out once I moved back to the states but I was in a shooter mood, and happy I did. Forgot how great the first Espgaluda is. Right up my alley and I got to the fifth level.

pizzaroll,

This broadcast monitor is the VGA only version...essentially my Dreamcast monitor.. I have a second J-360 I might eventually feed into it though. My current upscaler is the Mini...won't help me with VGA. I wanna get an XRGB3 eventually though.
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
I thought I'd expand on why I called all LCDs terrible earlier: The motion resolution on all of them just really flat out sucks. And to keep it relevant to the earlier topic, the less input lag it has, the worse the motion resolution likely is. Manufacturers lessen the processing which LCDs need to maintain a decent motion resolution (also the reason Game Modes and the like have less input lag is because they disable processing features) to lower the input lag. So the ones that don't completely lose most of their resolution in motion will be bad for games anyways due to their latency. Low latency LCDs are essentially low resolution LCDs (about 500 lines of resolution or less, depends on the panel quality and type but either way it's gonna be there and not look pretty, just a flaw of the tech) in motion. Yes, even the 1080p ones. If you're used to the way LCD looks it won't bother you really, but objectively speaking it's ass and I want to steer people making new purchases on the right path.

Even though Cave games aren't paragons of resolution, they are still being scaled to a resolution and then that scaled image will be trashed in realtime. So if you're using smoothing on low-res games like say MMP/PS or Guwange and outputting at native resolution, the image is basically being blurred twice: once by the filter, once by the LCD's faltering resolution as things move. And things move a lot in these games! So it can be bothersome. Also, the viewing angles can be troublesome for TATE depending on the panel.

Plasma displays can hold pretty much all of their advertised motion resolution with processing, and a tad less without it. I remember when I first got my Plasma and activated the CinemaSmooth/4:4 pulldown mode for true 24p output on Blu-rays, I thought it was some sort of motion interpolation feature because things just looked too smooth in motion. But I was just used to the way things fell apart in motion on my LCD after so many years -- it was jarring to see things displayed properly. Bizarre. The 60hz interpolation that happens when you leave it disengaged made me feel more comfortable, I guess. I eventually got used to the 4:4 24p mode though, since it's proper and all. I definitely can't go back to LCD now. Not just because of the motion resolution (but this is a big one and the biggest change for me) but also because of the other advantages that Plasma has in picture quality. There are some disadvantages to Plasma like dithering noise and temporary image retention, but both are really only issues if you sit really close to your TV. The rest that I'm aware of are dependent on the quality/manufacturer/model. Plasma tech has really made huge strides over the years.

So basically like I said earlier: Plasma for a general display (any Plasma is going to be pretty decently sized too, so you could probably just play in yoko and leave it horizontally oriented while still having a large amount of playing space) that can work pretty well for STGs/arcade games. CRT for dedicated, optimal STG/arcade game display.


pizzaroll,

This broadcast monitor is the VGA only version...essentially my Dreamcast monitor.. I have a second J-360 I might eventually feed into it though. My current upscaler is the Mini...won't help me with VGA. I wanna get an XRGB3 eventually though.
Ah, yeah. I remember you posting the model name in the pickup thread I think and it was the extension for the 31khz only model but I wasn't sure if I remembered too clearly and maybe got you confused with somebody else since there's been tons of cool arcade-related pickups in the threads the past few months. Still a top notch display though, plus it's the best way to view the upgraded high-res modes in the 360 ports that have them.

Do XRGBs do downscaling? Extron Emotias are kinda costly and hard to find, and I'd like to have a scaler ready for when I finally see another PVM go up on Craigslist.

I need to get a Saturn->360 converter first though (I have to get this made from some guy on SRK and it's kinda costly), it'd be nice to not have to use the 360 d-pad. It's not as bad as people say... it's pretty functional once they get broken in. But it's definitely not optimal and has lead to some unintended imprecise movements resulting in deaths more than a couple of times. I can't use a stick, before you guys get confused. And I tried one of the Hori pads and it crapped out after awhile... after I use it for a few minutes it gets stuck in one direction. Would rather have a circular Saturn d-pad in any case, not a big fan of cross d-pads.

Yeah I've always felt like the PS2 shooters I was playing on my PS3 were suffered from additional lag. That would explain it. But jeez, that means if we want to play PS2 shumps we gotta wrestle out the PS2 and hook it up...sigh.
Yep. At least Slim PS2s are really low-profile and easy to keep around, and easy to mod to circumvent region protection on games so you can have one unit to play your whole collection. So it's not that painful to keep around.

Tangentially related, but I don't know what I'm going to do with my non-NTSC-J compatible STG collection when I finally get a J360... I like to keep things clutter free and nice looking, and having two huge (the Slim isn't even remotely slim, also the design is ugly different from my black Jasper Elite anyways so that'll probably bother me beyond just taking up more space, lol. At least if Microsoft stuck to the original design, I could keep two consoles as a matching pair and have it look decent while just taking up space. But nope!) consoles setup to play games of varying regions is probably something that'll grate on me. :( And I'll also have to keep the US 360 to play MMP Matsuri and Futari 1.01 offline (MMP Matsuri is more of a novelty but Futari 1.01 Original is one of my favorite modes and definitely the best iteration of Futari Original) -- and my 360 is offline always with the exceptions being the need to download a patch, buy DLC, or if I want to look at some replays on the scoreboards -- unless I do a license transfer to the J360 iirc, which I'll only do if I fill in all the holes and make my entire collection NTSC-J compatible.

But I'll also have a hard time justifying the probable ~$200 (probably more) it'll take to rebuy Raiden Fighters Aces, Akai Katana, Deathsmiles, Daifukkatsu (I don't like 1.5 at all so I guess I could just get the Black Label disc but that's still money too!), not sure if I missed any. And on the digital side, I might have to rebuy DS2X (on disc the second time around, though) since there's probably some weirdness with moving Games on Demand purchases to another console.

Basically fuck region locking, bad console redesigns, and restrictive DRM. :mad:
 
I'm pretty sure xrgb-3 does 240p conversion, no idea how it does it, or how it fares, as I never used it, but the option is there.

for your 360 issues, if I were you, I'd get a j-360, get a VPN proxy and get the GoD versions from the HK xbl and get what you can't get thete on the jp xbl and discs. and get a jtag or rgh system(region free), hell, I guess you could even get your j-360 dual nand-modded (rgh+retail/xbl) and have two hard drives.

as for LCDs, I play on a tate iiyama Prolite B27(")12HDS, and lag is really good imo, angles and blur aren't that bad, but I see your point. (I wand to get a candy cab in the next couple of years, will be a better solution)

^ even on the floor that's a cool setup and I'm jealous.

Still working at Futari BL Original mode. My scoring is great, I just can't survive. And my runs are so much muscle memory that I just can't break out and be more conservative for survival. For example every time stage 2 starts I'll tell myself I'm not going for the full shed/milk of the turtle midboss but I'll end up doing it and dying half the time. Or the big beetles in stage 3. I'm working in it though. If all else fails I'll start with Maniac, which has been kind of brutal for me.
was the same for me, stopped milking, but I ended up being one life short for the last boos on my best run :( (last level can be brutal, I always loose a life somewhere in the level, before the last boss)
 

Yes Boss!

Member
I'm pretty sure xrgb-3 does 240p conversion, no idea how it does it, or how it fares, as I never used it, but the option is there.

Yeah, you can pipe in anything and the output it via VGA with XRGB-3. I think the XRGB-3 detects resolutions of the source. The mini did away with the VGA in and outs, though.

I wanna get an XRGB-3 to compliment the mini. Also, I hooked up the PSP Go this morning through the Mini. Seems to play fine, RPGs and stuff. I'm gonna head down to the store and get the component cable for the PSP 3000. Want Darius Burst on the big screen.
 
I was playing some DOJ today and I had a few runs that made it to stage 5. My best run even got to that ridiculous part right before the final boss.

Also, I was dying way too much on stage 2, which is kinda easy. And I have a really bad case of restartitis. I've been seeing so much of stage 1 and 2 lately... =(

When I practice the stages individually, I can no miss/no bomb the first three stages. But in an actual run, my nerves turn to complete crap.

Maybe if I can do my bomb distribution perfectly, I might be able to do this.
 
Playing a little bit more DOJ today.

Got all the way to the final boss but got shut down pretty quickly. So that was pretty decent progress.

A couple of times I no missed/no bombed up to the stage 3 boss. I've got a strategy for getting the second extend now. It's just a matter of putting it all together now.
 

Yes Boss!

Member
I've been playing about two hours everyday...some shooter or Cave game. I'm gonna commit to two hours a day till the end of 2013 in an attempt to get better at these games. Have trouble getting beyond stage 4 in most games.

Digging Ketsui. Playing a lot of X-Mode. And trying to tackle Mushihimesama Novice Ultra. So depressing, there are like 5 people in the Novice Ultra leaderboard :-( Nobody is playing this game.
 

danmaku

Member
You probably picked the least played mode ever, lol. Few people bought the game, even fewer play novice (it's not the "real thing") and even fewer plays ultra.
 

Yes Boss!

Member
Hmm,

I made it through Novice Original and Novice Maniac (really not much difference). Novice Ultra is definitely a beast, though. A bit harder than Normal 360, I feel. Trying to beat Novice Ultra before going on to the Normal modes though.

Folks should try Novice Ultra...one of the more fun Novice modes of the 360 games.
 

SOME-MIST

Member
haven't played any of the mushi novice modes, but I did play 1.5 max original for a bit until I finally 1CCed it..
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I'm on there as SMZ lol

stuck on stage 4 in ketsui x-mode and stage 5 in futari black label maniac mode. minimal progress for both. I tend to get hit by a stray bullet in stage 3 or 4 which throws everything off.
 
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