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RandomVince said:
That loyalty is the reason he is in the side. Its a disgrace that Khawaja will get his baggy green handed to him by this clown.
As for Hilf he should be dropped make him go play some state cricket build up the confidence a bit, get some wickets then bring him back in. In his place a player like Copeland should be given a go.
DeSo
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Been groomed for it for years, don't know why people are surprised.m3k said:
I'm not the biggest fan of him but hopefully this added responsibility is good for him and he makes a few runs in Sydney, he needs them.
If what he said about Hilf is true than that's just not a good start in a leadership role.
Hilf needs the right pitch to be attacking otherwise all he's good for is tying up an end. And you want more from your opening bowler.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
20/20 is awesome, fuckin free 2 air for not having it 
Hilfenhaus has had just a bad series with the ball as Clarke has with the bat.
I love the Hilf. He was great in India and I'm pretty sure I was pumping him up earlier in this thread before the series started. But he's been woeful. 4 wickets at 73. I don't care how tight you keep it, that's horrible reading. You can't have your opening bowler performing like that and expect to win test matches. Especially when your two other quick bowlers are as hot and cold as Siddle and Johnson. Copeland should be playing in his place.
I don't know what happened to him. It looked like in India he'd finally added some variety to his attack, and was successful bowling cutters and changing his pace. But he's been completely one note all series. Come in, bowl gentle outswinger from the exact same position, rinse and repeat.
Ripping into Clarke whilst giving Hilfenhaus a pass seems like hypocrisy to me.
Just an aside about Clarke - he'd have to be the most underrated player ever. Yes he's had a terrible series, and I wouldn't have disagreed if he'd been dropped this test and gone back to play in the Shield. But at the end of the day, it's just a form slump. Every single batsman in world cricket has gone through it. Clarke in form is one of the best batsman in the world.
I know none of you will believe me, since a lot of your opinions seem to be based more on what's written in Woman's Day than what actually happens on the pitch, I'll give some stats to prove it. Since he cemented his spot in the side back in the 06/07 Ashes to before the Pakistan series in England (where his form slump started), so basically a period of four years:
In that time he played 38 matches, scoring 3252 runs at an average of 60!. He scored 12 centuries in that time. To put it into perspective - he was the third highest run scorer in world cricket during that period. Out of the top 10 run scorers, he had the second highest average, behind Jayawardene. Guess who was the only other person to score 12 centuries was? Tendulkar!
Actually wanting Clarke to fail so he can be dropped is so stupid, and quite frankly, ignorant. Wanting him to be dropped when he does fail is perfectly fair (like I said, I wouldn't have been averse to him not playing this match if Ponting was fit). But actively wanting him to fail is pathetic. An inform Clarke makes us such a better team.
I love the Hilf. He was great in India and I'm pretty sure I was pumping him up earlier in this thread before the series started. But he's been woeful. 4 wickets at 73. I don't care how tight you keep it, that's horrible reading. You can't have your opening bowler performing like that and expect to win test matches. Especially when your two other quick bowlers are as hot and cold as Siddle and Johnson. Copeland should be playing in his place.
I don't know what happened to him. It looked like in India he'd finally added some variety to his attack, and was successful bowling cutters and changing his pace. But he's been completely one note all series. Come in, bowl gentle outswinger from the exact same position, rinse and repeat.
Ripping into Clarke whilst giving Hilfenhaus a pass seems like hypocrisy to me.
Just an aside about Clarke - he'd have to be the most underrated player ever. Yes he's had a terrible series, and I wouldn't have disagreed if he'd been dropped this test and gone back to play in the Shield. But at the end of the day, it's just a form slump. Every single batsman in world cricket has gone through it. Clarke in form is one of the best batsman in the world.
I know none of you will believe me, since a lot of your opinions seem to be based more on what's written in Woman's Day than what actually happens on the pitch, I'll give some stats to prove it. Since he cemented his spot in the side back in the 06/07 Ashes to before the Pakistan series in England (where his form slump started), so basically a period of four years:
In that time he played 38 matches, scoring 3252 runs at an average of 60!. He scored 12 centuries in that time. To put it into perspective - he was the third highest run scorer in world cricket during that period. Out of the top 10 run scorers, he had the second highest average, behind Jayawardene. Guess who was the only other person to score 12 centuries was? Tendulkar!
Actually wanting Clarke to fail so he can be dropped is so stupid, and quite frankly, ignorant. Wanting him to be dropped when he does fail is perfectly fair (like I said, I wouldn't have been averse to him not playing this match if Ponting was fit). But actively wanting him to fail is pathetic. An inform Clarke makes us such a better team.
legend166 said:
And clarke was bad in india too. The guy is an arrogant twat who would be better out of the side for both morale and ability. He is in poor form and there are younger players out there with good domestic (and brief international) experience who arent threatening to drop senior players "when they become captain".
m3k said:
Lee retired from first class cricket and Clark is past it - he'll struggle to keep his place in the NSW team for the rest of the season and probably would have been dropped if he wasn't the captain (sounds familiar).
Trent Copeland should be playing for Australia. He's 24, debuted for NSW last season. Since his debut he's played 11 matches, taking 60 wickets at 19. Amazing figures.
RandomVince said:
Morale? How would the captain and vice captain both not playing be good for morale? That's a stupid comment.
The younger players look up to Clarke. Everyone says this. Shaun Tait said he's the best captain he's ever played under. In a time when the team is going to be full of young guys, someone in their generation who they can relate to is a good thing.
Besides, a captain who's not part of the boys club can only be a good thing at this point. That's what's got us into this mess.
legend166 said:
Are you watching a different clarke to everyone else? He is the very definition of the boys club/metro wanker who is more focussed on his twitter career than cricket. He is a bad sport (eg walking then not then calling for review then hopping on to twitter to explain himself). He told katich that he was out of the side when he was captain. He is a distraction with his bingles and comments like todays about hilfenhaus show that he shows little respect and deserves less.
I dont think you could get any further from a steve waugh/alan border style leader than this clown.
Tim the Wiz
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Grug said:Give legend166 a break. He is from NSW and therefore in line for test selection. Can't blame him for showing solidarity and not rocking the boat.
Well played, sir. :lol
Grug's just pissed that the only certifiable Queenslander in the team is an overexcited hick from Ipswich. The other two on the team are different; one of them moved interstate to play for Western Australia, and the other couldn't even get selected to throw a ball this Ashes.
DeSo
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I honestly didn't know how capped Kallis is as a test batsman.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2010/content/current/player/45789.html
He's not often mentioned along with the "greats" but just look at that shit. And obviously he's a quality bowler too. What a freak.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2010/content/current/player/45789.html
He's not often mentioned along with the "greats" but just look at that shit. And obviously he's a quality bowler too. What a freak.
crazy monkey
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DeSo said:
He is very very awesome. Amazing batsman and good bowler.
I don't get into the state parochialism very much with cricket to be honest.
In fact I flicked onto the Big Bash before (I'm not proud of that) and QLD Captain James Hopes was giving me the complete shits with his hogging the strike and lazy running between wickets. Made me start cheering for Victoria.
In fact I flicked onto the Big Bash before (I'm not proud of that) and QLD Captain James Hopes was giving me the complete shits with his hogging the strike and lazy running between wickets. Made me start cheering for Victoria.
whatsinaname
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RandomVince said:
:lol It still rankles. I was in Montego Bay last week and had half a mind to go looking for Bucknor.
But that was the point of my post. It all evens out in the end. No point saying stuff like India wins/loses because of dodgy umpiring.
Edit: G.Smith should just be rested for matches where he might face Zak. :lol
LabouredSubterfuge
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Aussies are batting. No idea about this pitch. Anyone care to fill me in?
LabouredSubterfuge
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Truculent is a delicious word. Probably because the simpler part of me thinks of succulent truffles. Mmmmmhmmmmm
Papa
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irfan said:Regardless, he's still not "Australian".
He looks solid so far, running away with the limelight against Watty.
He learnt everything he knows in Australia. Are you saying that cricketing abilities are tied to what race you're born into?
You're probably going to claim trolling here but a few
s and disclaimers don't hide the fact that you actually believe what you're saying.ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
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matt404au said:He learnt everything he knows in Australia. Are you saying that cricketing abilities are tied to what race you're born into?
You're probably going to claim trolling here but a few
When someone's got shit for brains don't expect anything but shit to come out his mouth.