So pretty much agreeing with me then ..
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chicko1983
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Except he thinks it open and you think England and sth Africa are ahead of the rest
chicko1983
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Nice selective quoting there.
Vince's view is ( the unabridged version)
RandomVince said:
Which is completely different to
irfan said:
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lol .. read what you're posting duuuuude
"True to an extent, England and SA are above the rest" is the same as "top position is open while England and SA have made the most convincing cases".
Again, why am I wasting my time .. *leaving thread until Monday*
South Africa have been perennial underachievers. Considering the players they have at the moment, they should dominate. Steyn is easily the best bowler in the world and a middle order of Amla, Kallis and de Villiers is hard to be.
Yet they just don't see to be able to win consistently. It's weird.
Yet they just don't see to be able to win consistently. It's weird.
chicko1983
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You are saying SA and England are currently above the rest.
Vince is saying it is currently even and there aren't any dominant teams.
I don't get why you are trying to change your statement - you can think England or south Africa or India is the best at the moment, it's your choice.
I agree with Vince though, there isn't currently a standout and the competition is pretty even in tests.
legend166 said:
Mentality is their problem.
Prepare 'rank turners' for visiting teams - Gambhir
Gautam Gambhir has called for "rank turners" when teams visit India after India have lost seven consecutive away Tests on pitches that he reckons had lot of grass on them. He said the real test of a team was to win overseas, and that Indian curators shouldn't hesitate to make it as tough as possible for visiting teams.
"We need to realise that when we go overseas every country prepares wickets to their own strengths," Gambhir said. "So once the other teams come home we need to prepare tracks to our advantage as well. So there should not be a lot of talk when Australia or South Africa or England come home that we should not be preparing turners. I think we should be playing to our strengths, and if we can prepare rank turners, that's where their technique and their temperament will be tested."
Gambhir said there was a lot of movement available to seam bowlers in all of their seven defeats starting from the English summer onwards. "We have seen in last three Tests matches and even in England, there was a lot of grass and that helped their seamers," he said. "Once these people come to India we should not be hesitant in making turners, and that's where we would get to know whether they are mentally strong, and [what happens to] the kind of chit chat do they do when we go overseas and they talk about our techniques.
"That's where they will be tested, and we'll see how good they are against spin bowling. So we shouldn't be hesitant in preparing turners to our advantage, and that has been our strength and if we can do that people should support us rather than saying we should not be preparing turners. We should always be preparing something which is to our advantage."
Gambhir was asked what progress he saw in Peter Siddle's bowling from the time he debuted against India in 2008-09 to now being the leader of the Australian bowling attack. "The only difference is the conditions," Gambhir said. "He made his debut in Mohali. He played really well in that Test series. It's [these are] his own conditions, it's his own backyard. The important thing is once you start doing well in subcontinent, that's when you are rated as a very good bowler.
"He has bowled really well in this series - no doubt about that - he has been their main bowler who has always taken wickets whenever he has got into his spell. The important thing is, how he bowls well in the subcontinent. Here he has bowled well, but let's see what he does in other conditions as well."
COMMENT - A frustrated reaction
Gambhir's comments about the pitches seem to be a combination of many factors. At worst they could be indicative of the defensive attitude of a team that has lost seven away Tests in a row. They can easily be seen as an extension of the response of Ishant Sharma and Virat Kohli to sledging by Australian players about the Indian batsmen's technique and average. You would expect better from a team that wants to be the best in the world.
There also seems to be a lack of awareness that India's recent wins outside the subcontinent have all come on seaming tracks that make it easier for their bowlers to take 20 wickets. Also the pitches in Sydney and Perth were hardly the monsters they are being made out to be.
However, at such times, it is easy to miss the deep-rooted frustration at the kind of pitches the Indian curators have been rolling out over the recent years: slow, low, devoid of life and excitement. The last time India actually got a pitch that turned and bounced was in Kanpur in 2007-08. Otherwise the pitches in India are all designed to last the longest possible distance. Gambhir is also understandably annoyed at how easily the turning tracks are labelled "disgraceful" by the media and the ICC. Sidharth
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Very interesting from WORLD champions. They already sound defeated in this series.
Gautam Gambhir has called for "rank turners" when teams visit India after India have lost seven consecutive away Tests on pitches that he reckons had lot of grass on them. He said the real test of a team was to win overseas, and that Indian curators shouldn't hesitate to make it as tough as possible for visiting teams.
"We need to realise that when we go overseas every country prepares wickets to their own strengths," Gambhir said. "So once the other teams come home we need to prepare tracks to our advantage as well. So there should not be a lot of talk when Australia or South Africa or England come home that we should not be preparing turners. I think we should be playing to our strengths, and if we can prepare rank turners, that's where their technique and their temperament will be tested."
Gambhir said there was a lot of movement available to seam bowlers in all of their seven defeats starting from the English summer onwards. "We have seen in last three Tests matches and even in England, there was a lot of grass and that helped their seamers," he said. "Once these people come to India we should not be hesitant in making turners, and that's where we would get to know whether they are mentally strong, and [what happens to] the kind of chit chat do they do when we go overseas and they talk about our techniques.
"That's where they will be tested, and we'll see how good they are against spin bowling. So we shouldn't be hesitant in preparing turners to our advantage, and that has been our strength and if we can do that people should support us rather than saying we should not be preparing turners. We should always be preparing something which is to our advantage."
Gambhir was asked what progress he saw in Peter Siddle's bowling from the time he debuted against India in 2008-09 to now being the leader of the Australian bowling attack. "The only difference is the conditions," Gambhir said. "He made his debut in Mohali. He played really well in that Test series. It's [these are] his own conditions, it's his own backyard. The important thing is once you start doing well in subcontinent, that's when you are rated as a very good bowler.
"He has bowled really well in this series - no doubt about that - he has been their main bowler who has always taken wickets whenever he has got into his spell. The important thing is, how he bowls well in the subcontinent. Here he has bowled well, but let's see what he does in other conditions as well."
COMMENT - A frustrated reaction
Gambhir's comments about the pitches seem to be a combination of many factors. At worst they could be indicative of the defensive attitude of a team that has lost seven away Tests in a row. They can easily be seen as an extension of the response of Ishant Sharma and Virat Kohli to sledging by Australian players about the Indian batsmen's technique and average. You would expect better from a team that wants to be the best in the world.
There also seems to be a lack of awareness that India's recent wins outside the subcontinent have all come on seaming tracks that make it easier for their bowlers to take 20 wickets. Also the pitches in Sydney and Perth were hardly the monsters they are being made out to be.
However, at such times, it is easy to miss the deep-rooted frustration at the kind of pitches the Indian curators have been rolling out over the recent years: slow, low, devoid of life and excitement. The last time India actually got a pitch that turned and bounced was in Kanpur in 2007-08. Otherwise the pitches in India are all designed to last the longest possible distance. Gambhir is also understandably annoyed at how easily the turning tracks are labelled "disgraceful" by the media and the ICC. Sidharth
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Very interesting from WORLD champions. They already sound defeated in this series.
I'm saying I agree with Vince to an extent in that there is no one front runner for the no.1 spot, however I said England and SA are above the others. Vince said the same damn thing, that England and SA have made the most convincing cases. But yeah, keep on harping on how its two different things, it wont change anything.
If India can do it. Then Pakistan is already on its way.
Geoff Marsh fired
Hey atleast its not as bad Mohsin Khan when your team wins and does well and his head is still on the chopping block. Typical Pakistani stuff, love it. And he doesnt have to worry about getting killed on a loss either.
Hey atleast its not as bad Mohsin Khan when your team wins and does well and his head is still on the chopping block. Typical Pakistani stuff, love it. And he doesnt have to worry about getting killed on a loss either.
chicko1983
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Haha, there is a difference of tense. You are talking presently Eng and SA are above the others, Vince is saying England and SA "have" (past tense) made convincing cases but currently it is open i.e. England and SA are not above the others.
In regards to Gautim's comments - ha! What a cry baby. His, and the Ind team's, confidence is definitely down. I'm looking forward to England and Australia touring India later in the year, when Eng and Aus win tests in India on "rank turners" what will India use as an excuse then? I mean, even the Windies were competitive there recently.
In regards to the Pakistani win. Awesome for cricket. Aussies have always liked the Pakistani cricketers since their World Cup win down under. Imran, Waqar, Akram, Ul-Haq, Mahommad Yousuf, Sohail, Saqlain, Aktar, and Mushtaq Ahmed are some of the names of players loved in Australia. I wish we played them more often, their best players have always been brilliant to watch.
In fact, it feels like we rarely play Windies and Pakistan these days. Yet in my childhood, I remember (or it seems like) these guys were touring here a lot.
Seriously picking tenses now? Seriously? ...
He's perfectly right in saying that home teams exploit their home advantage and India should do the same rather than building dead pitches that dont even turn. One would only call him a coward if you are scared by his comments and playing on rank turners.
If pigs would fly also? Cross that bridge when you approach it.
Also West Indies lost 2-0 against India, if thats competitive enough, then surely some high standards you got there for an Australian. Also this is the same West Indies that drew 1-1 with Pakistan (at home) but lost to India 0-1 (at home), lol.
No wonder all of those guys have retired, the glorious Pakistani era and its stalwarts are long gone. What new promising faces that have come in, have chosen to follow the Pakistani traditions of match-fixing.
400+ first innings score please.
Shaun Marsh. Embarrassing.
pieatorium
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Marsh smh. Back to sheild for another couple o years for you.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/06/sports/06iht-bribe.2.t.html
Again thanks to India to start this tradition.
crazy monkey
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ponting is so awesome. Dude shows why he was one of the greatest.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Damn that looks grassy.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Put the beep back on, more entertaining.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
13,000 better retire.
pieatorium
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Yeah, new laws. But yeah please continue the whining Omi.
