Zvonimir Boban
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I'll go out on a limb and say Australia might be in trouble.
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TheSecondSpitter
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In case anybody is wondering, Joe Mennie is shit on cheesy biscuits.
bobnowhere
Member
This is sad, not even going to make SA bat again at this rate.
And now Mennie is out as I type this.
Voges and Feguson's dismissals were a cavalcade of stupid.
And now Mennie is out as I type this.
Voges and Feguson's dismissals were a cavalcade of stupid.
TheSecondSpitter
Member
My changes for the Third Test:
OUT: Burns, Voges, Mennie
IN: Bancroft, Maxwell, Sayers
OUT: Burns, Voges, Mennie
IN: Bancroft, Maxwell, Sayers
bobnowhere
Member
Fill in the blanks:
1.Warner
2.
3.Khawaja
4.Smith
5.
6.
7.
8. Starc
9.
10. Hazelwood
11.
1.Warner
2.
3.Khawaja
4.Smith
5.
6.
7.
8. Starc
9.
10. Hazelwood
11.
TheSecondSpitter
Member
1. Warner
2. Bancroft/SMarsh
3. Khawaja
4. Smith
5. Maxwell (a quick 20-30 is better than what Voges is contributing plus he's a great fielder and useful bowler)
6. MMarsh (Callum looks out of his depth and at least MM is a decent support bowler)
7. Nevill (no better option)
8. O'Keefe (Should have replaced Lyon years ago)
9. Sayers (not express but moves the ball way more than Mennie, at least until Pattinson returns)
10.Starc
11.Hazelwood
RelaxedOtter
Member
Another terrible collapse by Australia. Hopefully they can get something going by Adelaide, they are looking pretty second rate when it comes to batting.
Not sure you can blame the bowlers when they are defending such pitiful totals all the time. I wouldn't drop any of them at the moment unless you wanted to do the right thing and pick Bird. Who should have played at his home ground. But gotta have your bowler scores runs, right Rod?
The batting is just woeful and other than a complete gutting and stop trying to pick all rounders to fill spots, I am not sure what you do. The lack of genuinely good options in shield cricket (well, if shield cricket was actually being played as it once was), then I am not sure what you do.
Ferguson I would keep around for another test as it likely doesn't matter anyway and dropping someone after a single match is harsh.
Voges is done, he's 37 and not going to take the team anywhere, thanks for all the runs against the West indies.
Burns should probably stay for now also, unless Shaun Marsh is ready to go again, then, definitely drop him. Definitely.
The batting is just woeful and other than a complete gutting and stop trying to pick all rounders to fill spots, I am not sure what you do. The lack of genuinely good options in shield cricket (well, if shield cricket was actually being played as it once was), then I am not sure what you do.
Ferguson I would keep around for another test as it likely doesn't matter anyway and dropping someone after a single match is harsh.
Voges is done, he's 37 and not going to take the team anywhere, thanks for all the runs against the West indies.
Burns should probably stay for now also, unless Shaun Marsh is ready to go again, then, definitely drop him. Definitely.
crazy monkey
Banned
OMG. GO SA. That was bad by Australia. i feel sad for them. I miss crazy strong Australia.
TheSecondSpitter
Member
nah, "strong Australia" is also snarky, arrogant, sledging Australia.
Smith, in particular, is in desperate need of a life lesson in humility and how to behave towards other human beings.
Amazing to think there's a good chance he'll retire with the second-highest batting average ever. More evidence why a two-tiered Test system should be implemented.
bobnowhere
Member
There is the Marsh Gambit:
1.Warner
2. Geoff Marsh
3.Khawaja
4.Smith
5. Shaun Marsh
6. Mitchell Marsh
7. Rod Marsh
8. Starc
9. Daniel Marsh
10. Hazelwood
11. Stan Marsh?
Or just realize you have to wear the pain and trust youth.
1. Warner
2. Bancroft (Wk) Can't afford a specialist keeper atm
3. Khawaja
4. Smith
5. Maddison/Head/Maxi
6. Hanscombe
7. Cartwright
8. Starc
9. SoK/Agar
10. Hazelwood
11. Bird (Pattinson/Cummings when fit)
1.Warner
2. Geoff Marsh
3.Khawaja
4.Smith
5. Shaun Marsh
6. Mitchell Marsh
7. Rod Marsh
8. Starc
9. Daniel Marsh
10. Hazelwood
11. Stan Marsh?
Or just realize you have to wear the pain and trust youth.
1. Warner
2. Bancroft (Wk) Can't afford a specialist keeper atm
3. Khawaja
4. Smith
5. Maddison/Head/Maxi
6. Hanscombe
7. Cartwright
8. Starc
9. SoK/Agar
10. Hazelwood
11. Bird (Pattinson/Cummings when fit)
Hate to quote myself from 100 posts ago, but dang, I nailed it before the series started.
The bowling stocks seem "okay", Starc is a good x-factor bowler but he needs another strike bowler to back him up if it's not going his way. It's a shame that Pattinson and Cummins can't get on the field, because a lineup of Starc/Pattinson or Cummins/Hazlewood looks really good.
The batting has massive issues. No one is knocking down the door either. I guess at this point they should pick the players with the best averages in Shield and go from there.
If this doesn't teach Smith/Warner and co some humility I guess nothing will.
The bowling stocks seem "okay", Starc is a good x-factor bowler but he needs another strike bowler to back him up if it's not going his way. It's a shame that Pattinson and Cummins can't get on the field, because a lineup of Starc/Pattinson or Cummins/Hazlewood looks really good.
The batting has massive issues. No one is knocking down the door either. I guess at this point they should pick the players with the best averages in Shield and go from there.
If this doesn't teach Smith/Warner and co some humility I guess nothing will.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
So when is this genuine competition going to come along because I don't see it anywhere?
TheSecondSpitter
Member
Does PAK have another decent front-line spinner apart from Yasir? (because I am envisaging Australia losing 13 in a row including the India Tests)
MMarsh is a better batsman than Callum and a better bowler than Mennie. Addition by subtraction.
When was the last time an opening batsman/wicket keeper worked out at Test level?
Maddinson and Head are not Test players ...... There are enough players with ADHD in the team as it is.
MMarsh is a better batsman than Callum and a better bowler than Mennie. Addition by subtraction.
When was the last time an opening batsman/wicket keeper worked out at Test level?
Maddinson and Head are not Test players ...... There are enough players with ADHD in the team as it is.
bobnowhere
Member
Hanscombe can also keep. Right now if Nevill is the best keeper in AUS you may as well try something new. What's the worst that can happen, we lose again?
Need at least one stroke-maker at 5 or 6. Maddison for all his faults is very experienced and has one of the best SS averages of the possibles. Little boof is also a chance.
Sheffield Shield round this weekend, if there was even a time for someone to step up it's now.
TheSecondSpitter
Member
I hate correcting spelling on forums, but his name is MaddiNson. Aside from this, he fails as a Test batsman because he can't occupy the crease for long and he averages under 40 in FC cricket.
bobnowhere
Member
Could have sworn MaddiNson averaged well into the 40's. Looks like his 30 year last year hurt him but he used to be the best outside of test players for a while there in term of average.
Rod Marsh has resigned as well.
The two coming Day/Night tests should be interesting. Adelaide moved sideways last year and there should be plenty of movement in Brisbane if it's Humid. The only way is up I suppose.
TheSecondSpitter
Member
A friend played Grade Cricket with him.....I wasn't joking about ADHD
bobnowhere
Member
First Player rules himself out of contention for the 3rd test:
Joe Burns out for 4 in the shield
Joe Burns out for 4 in the shield
TheSecondSpitter
Member
lol....it's like a reality TV show where contestants are sequentially eliminated.
bobnowhere
Member
Marcus Harris has probably ruled himself out too. A bit of an outsider, was very average at WA but has started this year very well for the Vics and has been highly thought about for a while.
Stoinis gone as well, another outsider for the Allrounder role.
Ussie looking comfortable on a Gabba greentop.
Doug the Rug has finally given up on the rug, though the beard is a little ridiculous.
Stoinis gone as well, another outsider for the Allrounder role.
Ussie looking comfortable on a Gabba greentop.
Doug the Rug has finally given up on the rug, though the beard is a little ridiculous.
bobnowhere
Member
I believe Agar is injured, same for MMarsh. Agar would have been first pick, been bowling really well this year.
As for Renshaw, England just picked a 19 y.o. and Renshaw has as good a record as anyone else. Seemed to deal with a very good SA attack well. He and Bancroft are both more in the Rogers mold rather than Warner.
Edit: Voges retired hurt after a blow to the head.
oipic
Member
Thanks mate. Rotten timing that, Agar would fit the bill nicely at the moment.
Then it's settled, let's pick him. Youth + runs, Renshaw is ticking all the boxes. Would be better theatre if he were to debut against England, but these are desperate times.
bobnowhere
Member
Renshaw 99* at tea! Nervous 20mins coming up.
TheSecondSpitter
Member
Bowlers update-
Quicks
Sayers -- Sharp and tight. Unfortunately, without reward
Bird -- has looked lively. 1 wicket.
Copeland -- May get an undeserved recall. Please no.
Spinners
GOAT -- hasn't looked like getting a wicket, tbh
SOK -- 1 wicket but a bit inconsistent
Zampa - lolololololololololololololololol. At least Warney will stfu for a while
Quicks
Sayers -- Sharp and tight. Unfortunately, without reward
Bird -- has looked lively. 1 wicket.
Copeland -- May get an undeserved recall. Please no.
Spinners
GOAT -- hasn't looked like getting a wicket, tbh
SOK -- 1 wicket but a bit inconsistent
Zampa - lolololololololololololololololol. At least Warney will stfu for a while
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Have always thought handscomb is destined for bigger things. Don't want him to be picked now to be burned by the failure of a shuffling squad.
bobnowhere
Member
No one from NSW did a whole lot today, so they'll probably all get picked anyway by Mark Waugh.
Sayers did look good this morning, he'd be ideal for a moving Adelaide D/N test. Zampa got a few but they were mostly people hitting out.Renshaw, Dean, Hanscombe and Whiteman pushed their respective claims well. Turner is a bit of nobody so even a ton won't get him consideration, averaged under 30 until today. The rest of WA didn't do much either.
To be honest I doubt there will be 5-6 changes, probably 3 max. An Opener, a middle order batsman and a 3rd fast bowler. Lyon, Nevill and Ferguson will probably get reprieves.
TheSecondSpitter
Member
Man, you're not wrong. The scuttle-bug around the Sydney Grade Cricket scene is that MEW is pushing for Kurtis Patterson to replace Voges.No one from NSW did a whole lot today, so they'll probably all get picked anyway by Mark Waugh.
Zampa is a leggie who relies on variation of pace. Fine for PJ cricket, but Pakistan and India will eat him alive in Tests.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Tbf there were plenty of leggies that rely on pace rather than turn over the years ala anil kumble.
Zampa is still shit though.
Zampa is still shit though.
TheSecondSpitter
Member
Kumble was uncharacteristically tall for a spinner which allowed him to generate decent bounce.
bobnowhere
Member
Sometimes you just have to make do with what you have, the days of multiple players averaging in the 50's at shield level are gone.
55+: Smith (Australia's only genuine world class player)
50-55: Voges (Just and even if form didn't rule him out, his Concussion surely will)
45-50: Warner, Cartwright, Boof Junior, Weatherald
40-45: Susan Koala, Renshaw, Maxi, Bear, Patterson, Klinger, SMarsh, Lynn.
35-40: Burns, Heazlett, Ferguson, Hanscombe, Stoinis, Dean, Wade, Hughes, Maddinson, Bailey
30-35: Marnus Lasange, Head, Cooper, Harris, Henriquies, Doolan
Sub 30: SOK, Doran, Silk, Faulkner, MMarsh, Agar
In ideal times you wouldn't even look at people in the 30's unless their form is outstanding.
Patterson is no surprise, he's been talked about for ages and AB and Haddin had him in their Adelaide lineups. Haddin being a keeper picked 2 keepers in his team as well!
Right now its probably Patterson or Hanscombe for Voges and Bird or Sayers for Mennie. If SMarsh is ready for Pakistan tests they may not want to throw a young newbie in for one test. Ussie might open with everyone pushed up 1.
Weatherald is very early in his career but if mini-boof goes big tomorrow he could demand selection, he has some serious talent.
55+: Smith (Australia's only genuine world class player)
50-55: Voges (Just and even if form didn't rule him out, his Concussion surely will)
45-50: Warner, Cartwright, Boof Junior, Weatherald
40-45: Susan Koala, Renshaw, Maxi, Bear, Patterson, Klinger, SMarsh, Lynn.
35-40: Burns, Heazlett, Ferguson, Hanscombe, Stoinis, Dean, Wade, Hughes, Maddinson, Bailey
30-35: Marnus Lasange, Head, Cooper, Harris, Henriquies, Doolan
Sub 30: SOK, Doran, Silk, Faulkner, MMarsh, Agar
In ideal times you wouldn't even look at people in the 30's unless their form is outstanding.
Patterson is no surprise, he's been talked about for ages and AB and Haddin had him in their Adelaide lineups. Haddin being a keeper picked 2 keepers in his team as well!
Right now its probably Patterson or Hanscombe for Voges and Bird or Sayers for Mennie. If SMarsh is ready for Pakistan tests they may not want to throw a young newbie in for one test. Ussie might open with everyone pushed up 1.
Weatherald is very early in his career but if mini-boof goes big tomorrow he could demand selection, he has some serious talent.
TheSecondSpitter
Member
Ussie opening sounds very plausible. That way they can go all in with both Patterson and Hanscombe and see who sticks.
Btw, Voges is averaging <50 in 1st class cricket.
Is Mennie injured or rested? If the latter, he probably won't get dropped.
bobnowhere
Member
I read this somewhere a couple of days ago, it must have been out of date. Makes the list even sadder.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Misbah stands alone while Pakistan collapse, must be a day ending in -y.
Hey, at least you have someone standing
bobnowhere
Member
Smithy Misbah'ed in Hobart at least!
I might have been a little unfair on the NSW attack yesterday, while they didn't take a lot of wickets they didn't let Victoria get away from them like SA did to Queensland. SA were missing Mennie and Worrall though.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Well that went well, time for New Zealand to pile on 400 and win this by an innings.
bobnowhere
Member
6 on debut for de Grandhomme whoever that is. Turns out it's the best figures ever for a Kiwi on debut and the guys second only 5 for at first class or above!
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Dude is bowling medium pace on a green wicket and the batsmen kept driving at balls that should have been left or blocked. Stupid batting.
Probably just end up with a fine as a repeat offender.
TheSecondSpitter
Member
such a BS charge with an amazing lack of evidence.