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The Nintendo Switch has become the system people love to love

Looking at the games released so far I am noticing a pattern of "sandbox" type games. Games which can essentially be played forever. The per-game level of depth in the releases slated for this year is absolutely incredible.

These aren't games like prey that you play and beat and move on. These are games you will play for years and years and years.

Breath of the wild
Mario kart 8 deluxe
Puyo puyo tetris
Minecraft
Skyrim
Arms
Splatoon 2
Disgaea 5 complete
Ultra street fighter II

The switch will have the greatest library of evergreen titles I think we will ever see on a console or handheld when it is done.

Somehow you missed Binding of Isaac for that category. It's about to pass BotW as my most played Switch game.
 
The Vita with it's dinky non-clickable analogue sticks, tiny face buttons, terrible back touchpad, lack of L2/R2 buttons, propriatory memory cards and poor OLED screen is supposed to be the best ?

Well, I don't agree at all.

Everyone can disagree with what I said, that's fine, but saying the OLED screen on the Vita was poor is just plain wrong.
 

flkraven

Member
Looking at the games released so far I am noticing a pattern of "sandbox" type games. Games which can essentially be played forever. The per-game level of depth in the releases slated for this year is absolutely incredible.

These aren't games like prey that you play and beat and move on. These are games you will play for years and years and years.

Breath of the wild
Mario kart 8 deluxe
Puyo puyo tetris
Minecraft
Skyrim
Arms
Splatoon 2
Disgaea 5 complete
Ultra street fighter II

The switch will have the greatest library of evergreen titles I think we will ever see on a console or handheld when it is done.

I think this claim is somewhat weak. You say that these are games that will be played for years and years ("sandbox" type games) and say that the switch will have the greatest library of evergreen titles, and then you list:

Breath of the Wild
3 Multiplayer-centeric Nintendo Exclusives
And the rest are all on other platforms

Your claim could end up being true. Breath of the Wild is great, but besides that I think we need to wait before claiming 'greatest library' status. Especially when most of your list is on other consoles.
 

Prithee Be Careful

Industry Professional
15+ hours of single joycon Mario Kart played in my office, zero complaints, personally zero cramps from me. Fantastic to have 4 player gaming with having only bought 'one' additional controller.

I found it cramped without the straps, but no issues with the straps added.

I didn't feel a difference with the straps... just very small and zero ergonomic support for the palms. Also, it's lop-sided.

Uhhh... you're saying Nintendo have a reputation for making products that don't have much longevity or replayability?

Because... that is a very strange claim.

No, more of a reputation for pushing hardware gimmicks that are more compelling in concept than in reality: motion controls, 3D, second screen tablet-cum-controllers (remember that golf tee on the floor), even dual screens to an extent - I mean, how often were they just used as maps or inventory screens?
 

Dude Abides

Banned
I've got a cross country flight and thinking of getting one but still on the fence. I'm not a big Zelda fan so the only game is probably want right now is MK.
 
I think this claim is somewhat week. You say that these are games that will be played for years and years ("sandbox" type games) and say that the switch will have the greatest library of evergreen titles, and then you list:

Breath of the Wild
3 Multiplayer-centeric Nintendo Exclusives
And the rest are all on other platforms

Your claim could end up being true. Breath of the Wild is great, but besides that I think we need to wait before claiming 'greatest library' status. Especially when most of your list is on other consoles.

It doesn't matter that they are on other platforms. What I am looking at is the gaming mix on switch only. A pattern emerges. Nintendo is targeting evergreen titles for switch. If you look at the level of depth in each of these games as a ratio of the number of games total on the system, it is easy to see that switch is focused on having the deepest, most evergreen library of any system.
 

Trojita

Rapid Response Threadmaker
Looking at the games released so far I am noticing a pattern of "sandbox" type games. Games which can essentially be played forever. The per-game level of depth in the releases slated for this year is absolutely incredible.

These aren't games like prey that you play and beat and move on. These are games you will play for years and years and years.

Breath of the wild
Mario kart 8 deluxe
The binding of Isaac
Puyo puyo tetris
Minecraft
Skyrim
Arms
Splatoon 2
Disgaea 5 complete
Ultra street fighter II

The switch will have the greatest library of evergreen titles I think we will ever see on a console or handheld when it is done.

What
 

Kurt

Member
Breath of the Wild
3 Multiplayer-centeric Nintendo Exclusives
And the rest are all on other platforms

Your claim could end up being true. Breath of the Wild is great, but besides that I think we need to wait before claiming 'greatest library' status. Especially when most of your list is on other consoles.

You know, most titles on ps4 or xbox one are multiplatform (even on pc).
The big thing is:
- The switch is only out for 2 months and has already lot of games compare to other launches
- It's portable. Yes you can play your games at home and like everywhere.
Besides, it seems that Nintendo pushes also local multiplay with all of those games. (as exclusive feature)

It's truly a game-changer.
 
I think the OP is spot on with people wanting the console itself, which is a pretty big difference from why people wanted a WiiU.

Although for me, I can't justify the cost yet, especially at $400CAD with no bundled games. I also already have BOTW and MK8 on WiiU.

If the switch gets a good bundle next year, I'll get one. It's definitely not gonna happen this holiday cause Nintendo knows it'll sell out anyway.
 

flkraven

Member
It doesn't matter that they are on other platforms. What I am looking at is the gaming mix on switch only. A pattern emerges. Nintendo is targeting evergreen titles for switch. If you look at the level of depth in each of these games as a ratio of the number of games total on the system, it is easy to see that switch is focused on having the deepest, most evergreen library of any system.

You know, most titles on ps4 or xbox one are multiplatform (even on pc).
The big thing is:
- The switch is only out for 2 months and has already lot of games compare to other launches
- It's portable. Yes you can play your games at home and like everywhere.
Besides, it seems that Nintendo pushes also local multiplay with all of those games.

It's truly a game-changer.


I was focused purely on the point of 'most everygreen library ever', which I thought was absurd when the list posted was Zelda, 3 multiplayer games, and then games from other platforms. That's not enough evidence to start throwing around the word 'ever'.
 
I was focused purely on the point of 'most everygreen library ever', which I thought was absurd when the list posted was Zelda, 3 multiplayer games, and then games from other platforms. That's not enough evidence to start throwing around the word 'ever'.

I don't understand how multiplayer titles can't be seen as evergreen. It is about the mix of games that is important. Nintendo is focused on evergreen. Not one-and-done story-based games.
 

flkraven

Member
I don't understand how multiplayer titles can't be seen as evergreen. It is about the mix of games that is important. Nintendo is focused on evergreen. Not one-and-done story-based games.

Because every console has plenty of multiplayer games that Nintendo doesn't have, hence why saying 'best ever' sounds nuts this early. I could easily just say PS4 has The Witcher, then Rocket League, Battlefield 1, and Rainbow Six Siege, and then just put the rest of the games from your list. Basically, it's too early to run lists and say 'best ever' for Switch.
 

xch1n

Member
Everyone can disagree with what I said, that's fine, but saying the OLED screen on the Vita was poor is just plain wrong.

Mine had a weird banding/grainy pattern that everyone said was "normal" for OLEDs. I found it unbearably distracting and bad-looking compared to my phone screens at the time.
 
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This belongs in r/thatpeelingfeeling
 
Everyone can disagree with what I said, that's fine, but saying the OLED screen on the Vita was poor is just plain wrong.

Honestly, fair enough. It's a decent OLED screen for 2011, especially compared to what Nintendo was selling back then.

Doesn't hold up too well nowadays though (the 2000's LCD screen is much better).
 

m00h

Banned
No, more of a reputation for pushing hardware gimmicks that are more compelling in concept than in reality: motion controls, 3D, second screen tablet-cum-controllers (remember that golf tee on the floor), even dual screens to an extent - I mean, how often were they just used as maps or inventory screens?

Just?! This was one of my favorite feature and I'm really gonna miss it in the successor. I'd love to have a second screen exactly for that.
 

slit

Member
No, more of a reputation for pushing hardware gimmicks that are more compelling in concept than in reality: motion controls, 3D, second screen tablet-cum-controllers (remember that golf tee on the floor), even dual screens to an extent - I mean, how often were they just used as maps or inventory screens?

What is wrong with them differentiating themselves? They still come out with very compelling software and the so called "gimmicks" don't change that.
 

fallingdove

Member
Looking at the games released so far I am noticing a pattern of "sandbox" type games. Games which can essentially be played forever. The per-game level of depth in the releases slated for this year is absolutely incredible.

These aren't games like prey that you play and beat and move on. These are games you will play for years and years and years.

Breath of the wild
Mario kart 8 deluxe
The binding of Isaac
Puyo puyo tetris
Minecraft
Skyrim
Arms
Splatoon 2
Disgaea 5 complete
Ultra street fighter II

The switch will have the greatest library of evergreen titles I think we will ever see on a console or handheld when it is done.

The hyperbole of Nintendo fans is insufferable. The greatest library of evergreen titles we will ever see on a console or handheld? Based on those titles?
 

jariw

Member
I think this claim is somewhat weak. You say that these are games that will be played for years and years ("sandbox" type games) and say that the switch will have the greatest library of evergreen titles, and then you list:

Breath of the Wild
3 Multiplayer-centeric Nintendo Exclusives
And the rest are all on other platforms

Your claim could end up being true. Breath of the Wild is great, but besides that I think we need to wait before claiming 'greatest library' status. Especially when most of your list is on other consoles.

If you don't know how the Switch differs from other consoles, I think you miss the point of this whole thread.

These evergreen/sandbox games benefit from the flexibility of the gaming setup. You can play the games on the big screen at home, or in tabletop or portable mode at the break during school/work. And you can do the switch easy and quick.

And FWIW, there are other sandbox or evergreen games arriving as well in the near future, such as Terraria and Stardew Valley. Nintendo will most likely contribute with a Pokémon and an Animal Crossing game as well, somewhere in the future...
 

Stencil

Member
I've tried in vain to get my gf into games (she wasn't into Rhythm Heaven Fever, due to the difficulty (maybe input lag?)) and I bought a switch and made her try Snipper Clips with me. She loved it.
 

Steiner84

All 26 hours. Multiple times.
in my experience the switch has become the system that people allready forgot about.
noone is talking about it...
 

flkraven

Member
If you don't know how the Switch differs from other consoles, I think you miss the point of this whole thread.

These evergreen/sandbox games benefit from the flexibility of the gaming setup. You can play the games on the big screen at home, or in tabletop or portable mode at the break during school/work. And you can do the switch easy and quick.

And FWIW, there are other sandbox or evergreen games arriving as well in the near future, such as Terraria and Stardew Valley. Nintendo will most likely contribute with a Pokémon and an Animal Crossing game as well, somewhere in the future...

I was responding to someone specifically. He said "The switch will have the greatest library of evergreen titles I think we will ever see on a console or handheld when it is done", and then posted a list of games mostly on other consoles + a few multiplayer games and Zelda. Are you saying that is enough evidence for a 'greatest library' claim?
 
That's like saying you can play FF7 forever. The post game has a definite end. The Item World isn't what I'd call "playing forever".

Dude, D5's max level is 9999. Max stats are 10,000,000, I believe. Every item can be customized and leveled on its own. It has endless random, procedurally-generated dungeons. It's playable long term in ways that FF7 isn't.
 
I was responding to someone specifically. He said "The switch will have the greatest library of evergreen titles I think we will ever see on a console or handheld when it is done", and then posted a list of games mostly on other consoles + a few multiplayer games and Zelda. Are you saying that is enough evidence for a 'greatest library' claim?

The trick Switch is pulling that other consoles don't, though, is that it's delivering evergreen title after evergreen title even in the first couple months it's on the market.

Nintendo seems to be deliberately curating those kinds of games, so it's possible that that focus will be sustained over time.
 
People clearly don't understand (or don't want to, instead attacking the poster) what he is meaning with his argument. I understand what he says, but to be honest it is too early to state such thing.

At most I'd say that Nintendo pushes these "evergreens" in the beginning, to make people play the Switch as much as possible. If you have a game like BotW or Minecraft, you are most likely going to play it a lot. But if you had some of the shorter linear story games, it would be a lot easier to switch to another console after completing said game.

But in the end it is just a coincidence, I think. And it's a trend in gaming right now, short experiences are more rare and mostly indies do those. Game as a service is the new hotness...
 

Kureransu

Member
The hyperbole of Nintendo fans is insufferable. The greatest library of evergreen titles we will ever see on a console or handheld? Based on those titles?

Saying "Nintendo" fans is just as much hyperbole as that post he/she made. Let's not take one person's statements as representation of an entire group of people.

in my experience the switch has become the system that people allready forgot about.
noone is talking about it...

In what context? We're pushing 1000 posts in this thread because media outlets are doing exactly what you said they aren't doing.
 
in my experience the switch has become the system that people allready forgot about.
noone is talking about it...

Wut? The gushing over BotW started to die down a few weeks ago, but now we have Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, with Arms next month, Splatoon 2 in July, and Mario Odyssey later this year.
 

fallingdove

Member
Do you mean the hyperbole of that one poster?

Nope, not just from that one poster. I regularly read from Nintendo fans that BOTW is the greatest game of all time, that BOTW has set the standard for all open world games, that Mario Kart is the best racing series of all time, that Smash Bros is the most technical fighter, etc etc. etc.

I don't see the same from Playstation or Xbox fans.

I also anticipate a torrent of overly defensive responses to this post from the same population of Nintendo fans.
 
Just?! This was one of my favorite feature and I'm really gonna miss it in the successor. I'd love to have a second screen exactly for that.

It's basically the only control method criticized for often being used to do what it does best.

"Why are joysticks being wasted on movement?"

"Why do they always use triggers just for shooting guns instead of something more creative?"
 

Calm Mind

Member
I think its a well designed system and im looking forward to using it when it gets a bigger library, but honestly mines been collecting dust since i got done with Zelda at the beginning of April.

Clean your filthy house! Also, buy some more games and take your Switch outside said filthy house.
 

phanphare

Banned
Nope, not just from that one poster. I regularly read from Nintendo fans that BOTW is the greatest game of all time, that BOTW has set the standard for all open world games, that Mario Kart is the best racing series of all time, that Smash Bros is the most technical fighter, etc etc. etc.

I don't see the same from Playstation or Xbox fans.

I also anticipate a torrent of overly defensive responses to this post from the same population of Nintendo fans.

so basically people have opinions that may or may not conflict with your own opinions and that makes you feel a certain type of way about an entire group of people?

sounds reasonable enough

/s
 

Ushay

Member
It's a great device, if a bit overpriced. My son loves his through and through.

Personally I played Zelda and had a blast. If Nintendo bring top quality games like this then I will be happy to keep buying. I can see games like Arms being a hit my household. And Xenoblade my night time pleasure.

Otherwise Scorpio will be my main device.
 

SgtCobra

Member
Looking at the games released so far I am noticing a pattern of "sandbox" type games. Games which can essentially be played forever. The per-game level of depth in the releases slated for this year is absolutely incredible.

These aren't games like prey that you play and beat and move on. These are games you will play for years and years and years.

Breath of the wild
Mario kart 8 deluxe
The binding of Isaac
Puyo puyo tetris
Minecraft
Skyrim
Arms
Splatoon 2
Disgaea 5 complete
Ultra street fighter II

The switch will have the greatest library of evergreen titles I think we will ever see on a console or handheld when it is done.
I don't even know where to start?? I don't even know where to start?? I mean, 80% of those games can be played on other consoles (sure MK8 and SFII are "new" versions with added content).

in my experience the switch has become the system that people allready forgot about.
noone is talking about it...
This is not a serious post is it? :p Only going from GAF it seems the frontpage is always full of Switch related threads, and lets not forget all these "I would love to play this on Switch" posts, I'd say the system is pretty popular.
Unless you're talking about your anecdotal experience IRL which would be something I couls relate to, no one I know is really interested in the system right now.


Nintendo fans that BOTW is the greatest game of all time, that BOTW has set the standard for all open world games, that Mario Kart is the best racing series of all time, that Smash Bros is the most technical fighter, etc etc. etc.
Those are opinions I think, I hope, if not then LOL.
 

slit

Member
Nope, not just from that one poster. I regularly read from Nintendo fans that BOTW is the greatest game of all time, that BOTW has set the standard for all open world games, that Mario Kart is the best racing series of all time, that Smash Bros is the most technical fighter, etc etc. etc.

I don't see the same from Playstation or Xbox fans.

I also anticipate a torrent of overly defensive responses to this post from the same population of Nintendo fans.

Why do all the reviews make similar statements? Is everybody shilling for Nintendo? Also I never see people claiming Smash Brothers as the most technical fighter, even from Nintendo fans.
 

flkraven

Member
The trick Switch is pulling that other consoles don't, though, is that it's delivering evergreen title after evergreen title even in the first couple months it's on the market.

Most of which are rereleases of games from other systems.

Like I said before, this argument might make a bit more sense a few years down the road but it sounds super silly making these claims this early.
 

Principate

Saint Titanfall
Nope, not just from that one poster. I regularly read from Nintendo fans that BOTW is the greatest game of all time, that BOTW has set the standard for all open world games, that Mario Kart is the best racing series of all time, that Smash Bros is the most technical fighter, etc etc. etc.

I don't see the same from Playstation or Xbox fans.

I also anticipate a torrent of overly defensive responses to this post from the same population of Nintendo fans.

Breh Bloodborne being game of the generation/GOAT etc, wasn't a rare thing to be heard, even now.
 
Most of which are rereleases of games from other systems.

Like I said before, this argument might make a bit more sense a few years down the road but it sounds super silly making these claims this early.

Does this really matter? Like, I'm pretty sure the best-selling PS4/Xbox One game is GTAV. What makes the titles evergreen is that they keep selling. What matters for Switch is that (or whether) those titles continue to be successful on Switch.

Of the games that have been announced for Switch, I've played four of them on other systems. The rest will be totally new to me, even though some of them are 5+ years old at this point. I'd imagine for many lapsed gamers who haven't picked up a Nintendo or PlayStation or Xbox in the last 10 years, they'll have similar experiences.

Nintendo isn't aiming at the PlayStation crowd. They're aiming at a wider audience of people who might want to play games.
 

NOLA_Gaffer

Banned
The family is having a dinner party tonight and I'm tempted to bring over my Switch but the only real multiplayer game I have is 1-2-Switch and with my left joycon being as finicky as it is I'd rather not risk unfair matches.

Fuck.
 

phanphare

Banned
Most of which are rereleases of games from other systems.

Like I said before, this argument might make a bit more sense a few years down the road but it sounds super silly making these claims this early.

does BotW being on Wii U prevent it from being an evergreen title for Switch?
 
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Deleted member 125677

Unconfirmed Member
Arguing about which group of video game console fans is the worst is a waste of time, so please stop doing that

Everyone is terrible
 
Nope, not just from that one poster. I regularly read from Nintendo fans that BOTW is the greatest game of all time, that BOTW has set the standard for all open world games, that Mario Kart is the best racing series of all time, that Smash Bros is the most technical fighter, etc etc. etc.

I don't see the same from Playstation or Xbox fans.

I also anticipate a torrent of overly defensive responses to this post from the same population of Nintendo fans.

Pathetic.
 
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