I know the drive by posts shitting on the Switch are annoying, but posts like these are almost as ridiculous. For me personally, playing SMG2 on Dolphin on a 65 inch TV at 4K resolution and perfect IQ is still a fantastic experience and will never get old. So it's so big, clean, and the colors are explosive.
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The Nintendo Switch has become the system people love to love
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I know the drive by posts shitting on the Switch are annoying, but posts like these are almost as ridiculous. For me personally, playing SMG2 on Dolphin on a 65 inch TV at 4K resolution and perfect IQ is still a fantastic experience and will never get old. So it's so big, clean, and the colors are explosive.
UncleSporky
Member
How is it not a clear indicator of the Switch's early lifespan being populated by a series of games with longevity?
Yeah, you can play them on other consoles. Are those consoles in their infancy like the Switch? Did those games set the tone for the kind of library those consoles were targeting?
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
I did all of that. It's not a sandbox game. No one is fucking with the item world after they get the top weapons maxed out.
Using the level is such a disingenuous way of making the game seem much longer than it is. If late post game you aren't making 500+ lvl ups a grinding battle, you are doing something wrong.
TwilightPrincess
Member
It could be in the future, if you like japanese games and indies.And perhaps even the western publishers jump on this train, if it#s successfull enough (which at the moment seems not unlikely)
Prithee Be Careful
Industry Professional
Follow the conversation, we're talking hardware - it's the whole point of the thread for Christ's sake.
I shouldn't have quoted the whole post, because I actually agree that its launch library contains games with longevity. My apologies.
But I'm not talking about the infancy of the console though, I was specifically talking about this part:
This is an questionable statement, just because a console is having ports of some games which that member considers to be "playable forever" (which could be debatable for some titles) that doesn't mean that the Switch will have the most evergreen library of games ever. He's basically saying it will one up the DS and PS2 in that regard.
There's simply no indication of that, let's see some more original Switch titles first before we can say stuff like that.
Herb Alpert
Banned
Why do each and every "switch does well" threads turn into a shitshow ?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Switch is going to have a killer library no doubt, but we can do without the greatest library ever (after being out for two months) nonsense.
Because there are extremes on both sides that clash and create a whole ton of fuckery. I wouldn't call this thread a complete shitshow. The Uncharted 3 review thread was a prime example of a shitshow
Which I'm talking about, you are worried about the hardware but it doesn't seem to be affecting the most important aspect. All you are doing is crying about gimmicks. The hardware seems to be working out fine for the Switch.
Because Switch does well lol
randomengine
Banned
But you are still stuck in your room.
PSFan
Member
This may shock you but there's still many, many gamers that prefer a TV to a handheld. You and others seem to be under the delusion that the Switch has somehow made gaming on a TV suddenly obsolete.
family_guy
Member
Console gaming has done just fine all these years. Portable gaming is the one that's in decline.
LegendofLex
Member
What's hilarious about this to me is that console gaming has declined just as much in the last generation as portable gaming.
We ain't gonna see 250 million consoles sold this generation.
James Scott
Banned
The thing with Switch is that you can do both and at acceptable resolutions. Something like MK8D looks amazing and plays well on both modes.
Birgitte2004
Member
I must be in the wrong crowd. I use my Switch every day but the couple of times I've tried to take it somewhere public people just look at me funny, and nobody ever really wants to actually use it.
And even when I've convinced people to try it, nobody seems to like the Joycons. I think I've inadvertently talked a friend out of buying one because of how much they didn't like the portable experience.
And even when I've convinced people to try it, nobody seems to like the Joycons. I think I've inadvertently talked a friend out of buying one because of how much they didn't like the portable experience.
Skittzo0413
Member
It's obviously way too soon to make any proclamations about the Switch's lifetime library, but it's interesting as randomengine noted that Nintendo seems to be prioritizing these types of evergreen titles very early on in the console's lifetime, whether exclusive or not. Basically all of Nintendo's biggest multiplayer franchises will be out within the first year, all of them if Smash does make it.
We can all agree on that.
We can all agree on that.
PSFan
Member
Yeah, and? I still don't see a mass exodus of gamers throwing away their PS4s or XBoxes to get a Switch. People are bragging about it like the Switch has sold 70 million already.
I can see that happen. Single joycons without the strap, or joycons for the "wrong" game doesn't work well at all.
What...?
Neff
Member
Liliana Eileen
Member
The Switch JUST released. Calm down.
RampagingSoul
Member
Agreed... arguing about that just makes the arguer look worse in a way and everyone is bad when it comes to arguing about which group of console fans is worse since we should acknowledge the good and bad of each and have our opinions that don't come off as overzealous, enraged bashing or exaggerated, hyped-up praise. Everyone is going to have differing opinions, but there's a way to try and balance it out.
Raven117
Member
This... I mean...I hope the Switch has a killer library.
Just give me a few big Nintendo releases that are taking the company forward (i.e. Zelda), and fill in the gaps with stuff that I used to play on my 3DS (fire emblem, monster hunter, Etrian Oddessy and a few others)...And I will be a happy happy camper.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
What I'm saying is that it's gonna be difficult to match the Wii's lifetime sales. That thing was just a lightning in a bottle phenomenon like nobody has ever seen. It could happen, but I really feel like it's a stretch.
RampagingSoul
Member
I agree.
We don't have anywhere near the full road map of what the Switch will have far as a library goes. It's only been out for a little over two months. It's off to a great start and we'll just have to wait and see if it can keep up those sales figures or reach even higher at points.
I held mine in my hands the other day and honestly felt like a revelation, the screen and how it feels and looks. I havent even played games on it yet, since I'm waiting for Zelda to arrive, but damnnnn.
If my favorite JPN devs jump on the Switch, from PS4, I wouldnt mind at all.
If my favorite JPN devs jump on the Switch, from PS4, I wouldnt mind at all.
Nintendo completely dropping the ball with the Wii U still seems to be the largest reason for the console decline. Gen 7 could very well have been an anomaly due to Wii attracting a wider demographic, but we'll see at the end of this generation. I wonder if Switch is going to count for Gen 8 or not though.
Except Vectrex people obviously. You should have clarified that.
James Scott
Banned
People are saying that they really appreciate the gaming environment Switch provides not that they're throwing away their other systems
The poster that started the whole conversation made it seem as if using a TV for gaming is somehow a huge negative though, as if the Switch is desirable and other systems that require a separate screen aren't.
Man, Nintendo sure makes people lose their minds on both sides of the fence.
The potential is there, but the reply that PSFan responded to is just as silly as the response.
It's been 2 months.
I do think the possibility definitely exists that the Switch is going to change what we expect from future consoles.
We say it for Melee all of the time because.......... it is one of the most technical fighting games out there.
If someone makes the claim that 'X console has the greatest evergreen library ever', then of course it matters. If a different console has all the same games, only MORE, how can someone make that claim?
We aren't discussing the semantics of what is defined as an evergreen title for the Switch, rather, whether or not the Switch has the 'greatest evergreen library ever'
DecoReturns
Member
I saw two Switch in the Wild yesterday.
Literally looked like a Nintendo commercial. On a table two Switches playing Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, 4-players split screen.
I think it was two players per screen. Couldn't tell exactly but it was neat after seeing it when we all joked about the commercial.
Edit: reading some of the thread, now I see why it has 18 pages.
Literally looked like a Nintendo commercial. On a table two Switches playing Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, 4-players split screen.
I think it was two players per screen. Couldn't tell exactly but it was neat after seeing it when we all joked about the commercial.
Edit: reading some of the thread, now I see why it has 18 pages.
go away.
LegendofLex
Member
I mean, I think at this stage in the game it'd be obvious that any comparisons being made have to be considered in the context of where the system is sitting two months from launch, compared to where other systems were sitting two months from launch.
I mean, the real problem we're going to have at the end of Gen 8 is that not only will the Wii audience have been largely absent, but a big chunk of the PS2 audience will as well. (Recall that Xbox 360 + PS3 was a few million north of PS2 + Xbox's audience, with most of the gains last gen coming from Wii's gains over GameCube. Gen 8 has absolutely no shot at surpassing Gen 7, but also probably won't even match Gen 6.)
Phatosaurus
Member
Have you not been following the trends over the last 5 or so years?
Nintendo isn't allowed to be successful, Nintendo is DOOMED!
Good news about Nintendo isn't real, Nintendo is DOOMED!
That said, the Switch is great. It's the first piece of Nintendo hardware that is legitimately great with great games, whereas the WiiU and 3DS were pretty terrible pieces of hardware with great games.
Exactly why I said we should revisit the topic a year or 2 down the road. Throwing around 'best ever' regarding game library this early is insane.
LegendofLex
Member
I would absolutely say that Switch is the system that's packed in the most (quantity-wise) and best (quality-wise) evergreen titles in its early lineup, though.
That's not something we need to wait to see. (Unless for some reason we're not convinced that Tetris, Minecraft, Mario Kart, and Breath of the Wild are all evergreen titles.)
And the hardware is fantastic, regardless of how many times you want to throw that flaccid buzzword at it, for Christ's sake.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Only five years? Do you not remember "The Wii is a fad" for the six years that Nintendo supported the console?
you didn't answer my question and you moved goalposts
"I'd wager that the Switch doesn't get anywhere near 100 million"
became
"it's gonna be difficult to match the Wii's lifetime sales"
so I ask again is 80 million anywhere near 100 million?
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
...what moved goalposts?
The Wii's lifetime worldwide sales is 101.63 million units, so I just rounded down to 100 million so I don't need to type out that decimal point every time.
The phrases "It's gonna be difficult to match the Wii's lifetime sales" and "I'd wager that the Switch doesn't get anywhere near 100 million" are practically the same because the Wii's lifetime sales IS100 million.
matching 100 million and coming anywhere near it are two different things
also why not just answer the question. you predicted that the Switch won't sell anywhere near 100 million units over the course of its life. is 80 million anywhere near 100 million? again, just trying to contextualize your statement with some hard numbers.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
80 million is about 20 million away from 100 million.
that is a factual statement
is 80 million anywhere near 100 million to you?
I'd say so, they both got about 80% of the way there
PSFan
Member
Is it considered anywhere near 100 million for PS3 and 360 which were both above that?