The Nostalgia Critic |OT| He Remembers It So You Don't Have To

Nah, I agree. They all felt unique from each other. To me, CA used to feel like this big multimedia site that covered a huge array of pop culture. I'd come for Linkara and Nostalgia Critic and check out everyone on the site.

At least that one trailer guy is gone. Fuck that guy.

That was the Amazing Atheist, a notorious Grade-A douchebag of the highest caliber. He still makes horrible videos to this day.
Apparently one of the Channel Awesome higher-ups really liked him, and once he left, it wasn't long until he was kicked off too.

There are a couple of new people that are worth watching. I like Lost in Adaptation and Some Jerk with a Camera. The others... I don't know, I feel they need a lot more work done.
 
I never really watched other people beside the usual.

And apparently Lindsay's vids are gone too.

She did leave the site so it makes sense.

I can't watch Kyle Kallgren anymore when he ended up being cowardly and block-happy, blocking Brad Jones and Guru Larry for seemingly no reason.

I haven't been able to tolerate Phelous and Lupa's videos for years, even before they left the site. Their humor was just grating and annoying. I can't imagine it's any better now, if anything there's probably a lot of bitter "Doug Walker is Satan" jokes (even though from what I hear, he's not responsible, the CEO Mike Michaud is).

Of course, Spoony's a trainwreck now. The less said there the better...
 
I never really watched other people beside the usual.

And apparently Lindsay's vids are gone too.
She does sporatic videos. Like, every few months focusing on a character.

She did leave the site so it makes sense.

I can't watch Kyle Kallgren anymore when he ended up being cowardly and block-happy, blocking Brad Jones and Guru Larry for seemingly no reason.

I haven't been able to tolerate Phelous and Lupa's videos for years, even before they left the site. Their humor was just grating and annoying. I can't imagine it's any better now, if anything there's probably a lot of bitter "Doug Walker is Satan" jokes (even though from what I hear, he's not responsible, the CEO Mike Michaud is).

Of course, Spoony's a trainwreck now. The less said there the better...
Yeah, I really wished he'd do more reviews. I'm surprised he didn't even do more post-movie commentary like he did for Robocop.
 
She did leave the site so it makes sense.

I can't watch Kyle Kallgren anymore when he ended up being cowardly and block-happy, blocking Brad Jones and Guru Larry for seemingly no reason.

I haven't been able to tolerate Phelous and Lupa's videos for years, even before they left the site. Their humor was just grating and annoying. I can't imagine it's any better now, if anything there's probably a lot of bitter "Doug Walker is Satan" jokes (even though from what I hear, he's not responsible, the CEO Mike Michaud is).

Of course, Spoony's a trainwreck now. The less said there the better...

It's bee awhile since I watched Brows Held High. I actually have his one video downloaded of "The Girlfriend Experience" that he removed. Just noticed that not until recently was it re-uploaded by someone. Didn't know he had gotten into some drama as well.

I always liked Phelous, but I can understand why other's don't. It's definitely not a for everyone act. I will say for awhile, Lupa was dragging him now with his reviews going into more her territory which I didn't like. They seem to distance themselves on their work now though. Only jab I recall from a recent video was just something about the last movie they did. Can't find it but was just a small jab at his role in that.

Freaking spoony though, what a waste of potential. The streams he has been doing are nowhere near the caliber of Ripper or Phantasmagoria.
His Patreon has been dwindling though, was a 3K and now it's at 2,500. Still a lot more than you would think for his content though.
 
I haven't watched a video from that site in years. It was at a peak around 2009/2010 or so I thought, then it suffered from getting too big, management not knowing what to do, lots of talk and little action in terms of site re-design and looking for diverse talent etc...

Then I started to get tired of the schtick. Not just NC but a lot of the people with the "yell into the camera" thing to make up for lack of insight or clever writing. Really, the whole format and structure of the videos are so formulaic you need the writing to be clever to make up for it, it's usually not.

Then all the stories of how people were being treated came out a few years back, mass exodus and still with the missteps and so on...

I liked it at the time and I'm still a fan of people that came from there, but I go to their own sites. Brad Jones, I think, is still the most clever one of the the bunch. Smart. Witty. He's not "reviewing" anything as much as he's doing a condensed riffing of a movie, and he's damn good at it. He still follows the formula, but his writing and delivery is so good everyone else pales.

I don't care about the "reviews" or what they might call a "review" because I don't think most of the people at the site know a thing about actually reviewing or critiquing something. They're digging for comedy, but most just aren't funny.
 
It's bee awhile since I watched Brows Held High. I actually have his one video downloaded of "The Girlfriend Experience" that he removed. Just noticed that not until recently was it re-uploaded by someone. Didn't know he had gotten into some drama as well.

I always liked Phelous, but I can understand why other's don't. It's definitely not a for everyone act. I will say for awhile, Lupa was dragging him now with his reviews going into more her territory which I didn't like. They seem to distance themselves on their work now though. Only jab I recall from a recent video was just something about the last movie they did. Can't find it but was just a small jab at his role in that.

Freaking spoony though, what a waste of potential. The streams he has been doing are nowhere near the caliber of Ripper or Phantasmagoria.
His Patreon has been dwindling though, was a 3K and now it's at 2,500. Still a lot more than you would think for his content though.

Really? Huh, I thought he would be a lot more angry... I know that fucker LordKat is still angry (then again, he's always seemed to be an angry asshole)

Yeah, Spoony really screwed up a good thing.
 
Brad Jones, I think, is still the most clever one of the the bunch. Smart. Witty. He's not "reviewing" anything as much as he's doing a condensed riffing of a movie, and he's damn good at it. He still follows the formula, but his writing and delivery is so good everyone else pales.

I don't care about the "reviews" or what they might call a "review" because I don't think most of the people at the site know a thing about actually reviewing or critiquing something. They're digging for comedy, but most just aren't funny.


Nail meet head.

Pretty much what you said. Out of all of them Brad is the only i care about, both in his projects and what happens outside. He seems like a fun autentic guy to be around and have a drink or two.

Maybe i'm wrong tho'. Who knows.
 
Brad does seem like the one that still gets the most love from most.

I remember linkara just started to get boring, especially with wanting to do story lines.
 
Freaking spoony though, what a waste of potential. The streams he has been doing are nowhere near the caliber of Ripper or Phantasmagoria.
His Patreon has been dwindling though, was a 3K and now it's at 2,500. Still a lot more than you would think for his content though.

Spoony was the greatest of them all now.
What the fuck happened that he didn't even bother to save his old blip.tv videos.
It's just average live streams and wrestling right now.
Such a shame.
I loved every review he did.
 
Spoony was the greatest of them all now.
What the fuck happened that he didn't even bother to save his old blip.tv videos.
It's just average live streams and wrestling right now.
Such a shame.
I loved every review he did.

Yeah it's sad that most of the backups are Russuan Subs and the like. I actually have a good bit of them saved though.
 
She did leave the site so it makes sense.

I can't watch Kyle Kallgren anymore when he ended up being cowardly and block-happy, blocking Brad Jones and Guru Larry for seemingly no reason.

I haven't been able to tolerate Phelous and Lupa's videos for years, even before they left the site. Their humor was just grating and annoying. I can't imagine it's any better now, if anything there's probably a lot of bitter "Doug Walker is Satan" jokes (even though from what I hear, he's not responsible, the CEO Mike Michaud is).

Of course, Spoony's a trainwreck now. The less said there the better...

Really...I thought he and his videos were doing just fine after he left CA. What happened?
 
Wow. Spoony. There's a name I haven't heard of in forever.

I just looked at Spoony's site after a long, long time. He's pretty much all wrestling now, yes? I remember him trying to do movie vlog "reviews" a few years back and they really, really turned me off of him. Very juvenile and just nit-picky (very much fell into confirmation bias hole), kind of showed he can maybe be funny (if there's a script) but knew jack about movies.

Plus no review should be longer than the movie you're reviewing.
 
Really...I thought he and his videos were doing just fine after he left CA. What happened?

His last real movie review was February 2015.
But yeah, he is still doing fine because of patreon. Why so many people still pay him I dont know. They must really love DnD stories and wrestle wrestle.

But I will remember his Final Fantasy X-2 review forever.
"No pants baby, no pants!"
 
Wow. Spoony. There's a name I haven't heard of in forever.

I just looked at Spoony's site after a long, long time. He's pretty much all wrestling now, yes? I remember him trying to do movie vlog "reviews" a few years back and they really, really turned me off of him. Very juvenile and just nit-picky (very much fell into confirmation bias hole), kind of showed he can maybe be funny (if there's a script) but knew jack about movies.

Plus no review should be longer than the movie you're reviewing.

That probably depends on your definition of "review". A picture's worth a thousand words, so it's entirely possible to spend more time talking about a thing than it would have taken to simply show it, but I get the impression from your post (I don't know Spoony) that we're not talking about that sort of review.
 
Nail meet head.

Pretty much what you said. Out of all of them Brad is the only i care about, both in his projects and what happens outside. He seems like a fun autentic guy to be around and have a drink or two.

Maybe i'm wrong tho'. Who knows.

Yeah, I tend to follow Brad's stuff a lot more often than anyone else's from CA/TGWTG.
 
Y'know looking back at those old anniversary videos (The Brawl to To Boldly Flee) there's very few of those contributors still on the site isn't there?

Probably realised that the site bubble was bursting and that it was better to bail head elsewhere.

Do they still do the anniversary video or was Boldly Flee the last one?

I remember linkara just started to get boring, especially with wanting to do story lines.

Yeah I was originally planning to stop watching the Nostalgia Critic after the anniversary movie, though he pretty much ended it when he killed the critic off in Boldly Flee making it a perfect time to stop.

So I was just coming back to watch Linkara but I just got bored of the storyline arc and that I grew tired of "This random movie/show/game/etc sucks" gimmick that everyone was doing and just left the site.
 
That probably depends on your definition of "review". A picture's worth a thousand words, so it's entirely possible to spend more time talking about a thing than it would have taken to simply show it, but I get the impression from your post (I don't know Spoony) that we're not talking about that sort of review.

It was an attempt at movie reviewing, and with no direction or editing to it.

Spoony would sit in front of the camera and talk about one film he just saw, usually without saying anything other than "that was stupid" and so on. Just let the camera run and rant.

What did it for me was a three part review on Robocop (2014) and how bad it was. I had to stop watching after 15 minutes. There really wasn't anything constructive being said, just a lot of hyperbole and "ungh...can't believe that" musings that I'm assuming continued that way for the remaining two hours - longer than the actual movie itself.

The point of a movie review is to express an opinion about something in a direct and concise manner and relay it to an audience. Not ramble for longer than the movie itself runs. There was no comedic element here, no real discourse of looking at it with a critical eye, just cherry picking moments he slightly remembers and bitching about it.

If you can't make a point in 15 minutes about something beyond "I don't like thing," then you're just stroking an ego and enjoying the sound of your own voice - you're a hack scrambling to make a point rather than putting thought into it. He was doing that here and there, but that Robocop one was the straw that broke the camel's back.

In contrast, look at how Double Toasted or Red Letter do their more long-form reviews. They keep it moving, have a lot of back and forth and, more importantly, have a progression of thought, hitting points they need to make sure they hit and offering insight (whether through analysis or education) while rarely going longer than 30 minutes. Don't get me wrong, I would still take a well thought out piece of film critiquing any day over simply rolling a camera and talking about it, but if you're going to talk about it, it's nice to make sure you still have a direction and focus. Spoony never got there in terms of film reviews, so now he reviews wrestling.
 
Lindsay and Brad are basically the easiest to watch at this point.

I like Lupa's Baywatching too.

Brad's Midnight Reviews of religious movies are brilliant. Like Lionel Mandrake's reviews.
 
It was an attempt at movie reviewing, and with no direction or editing to it.

Spoony would sit in front of the camera and talk about one film he just saw, usually without saying anything other than "that was stupid" and so on. Just let the camera run and rant.

What did it for me was a three part review on Robocop (2014) and how bad it was. I had to stop watching after 15 minutes. There really wasn't anything constructive being said, just a lot of hyperbole and "ungh...can't believe that" musings that I'm assuming continued that way for the remaining two hours - longer than the actual movie itself..
You lasted longer than me, did he at least stop eating Taco Bell while reviewing?
 
That's the last one. There's quite a bit of cameos and crossovers with a lot of the new guys, but nothing on par with the movies.

There was also The Uncanny Valley, an anthology experiment that likely failed as they didn't do another one after that. It was meant to parody/homage Tales of the Crypt, but it barely did.
First one was the closest to that format, with a video game character coming to life and upstaging the guy that played the game, complete with twist ending. The second one is a weird one about aliens wanting to take cats because of all the cute cat videos. The third was Brad's pilot for The Reviewers, which became an ongoing series but is currently on hiatus as one of the actor's turned out to be a complete asshole. The fourth was Mike Jeavons doing a comedy bit that predictably ends with him drugging Film Brain. The fifth was an ultra-serious documentary on the horrors of cyberbullying.

If this sounds incredibly inconsistent, that's because it is. Brad himself told me that Doug gave them a single instruction. "Make a video about the internet". Nothing more than that. He didn't say anything about "Tales of the Crypt-style" or a specific genre.
Doug himself realized it was a mistake when he mocked it in an NC review.
 
Where do I even go to see Lindsay's new stuff? Chez Apocalypse has been in "maintenance mode" for like the last six months or longer every time I've tried to view the site. Does she still do anything, either in video or written form? I wish I saved a lot of her older stuff that I once had archived.

As for Spoony...yeah, it cratered fast and hard. Chalk that up to my theory that "fans ruin everything". Last thing I've watched from him was something related to Final Fantasy XIII, and even that felt terrible compared to his earlier stuff.

As for the Critic himself, his stuff since the return has been entirely hit or miss with the number of misses increasing, and with his RSS feeds constantly borking out on me, I basically see this thread get bumped every few months, look through his recent videos, and maybe watch one or two that might interest me. For example, last thing I saw was his bad opinion piece on Thank You For Smoking which I last commented on, and picking and choosing, I decided since then just to watch two reviews: Lady in the Water and Hocus Pocus. Lady in the Water was ok, and Hocus Pocus was bad enough I didn't get further than 10 minutes before I check the time, said "why haven't they decided to start talking about the movie" and shut it off right when a song number was starting... not that song reviews are inherently terrible or anything, but I'm willing to wager that the Moulin Rouge episode is very much the outlier in quality.

Back into the ground I go where I hope to emerge in a few months and see what's worth seeing, I guess. As we're lamenting things, I do miss The Game Heroes and felt that Tom always got royally shafted by the screw attack stuff.
 
I think the last really good spoony review were those Ultima games on SNES.
But I do agree about Critic as of late. Very hit and miss. Though I don't feel they're as easily re watchable as they used to be.
 
I've never watched a Spoony video, i only knew him for his crossovers.

Probably those are the best i like, specially the ones where Brad appears.
 
As for the Critic himself, his stuff since the return has been entirely hit or miss with the number of misses increasing, and with his RSS feeds constantly borking out on me, I basically see this thread get bumped every few months, look through his recent videos, and maybe watch one or two that might interest me. For example, last thing I saw was his bad opinion piece on Thank You For Smoking which I last commented on, and picking and choosing, I decided since then just to watch two reviews: Lady in the Water and Hocus Pocus. Lady in the Water was ok, and Hocus Pocus was bad enough I didn't get further than 10 minutes before I check the time, said "why haven't they decided to start talking about the movie" and shut it off right when a song number was starting... not that song reviews are inherently terrible or anything, but I'm willing to wager that the Moulin Rouge episode is very much the outlier in quality.

Back into the ground I go where I hope to emerge in a few months and see what's worth seeing, I guess. As we're lamenting things, I do miss The Game Heroes and felt that Tom always got royally shafted by the screw attack stuff.

Hocus Pocus is one of his new "clipless reviews", where he looks at a movie without using copyrighted footage. He started doing it with Jurassic World, which was a major miss but got TONS of views. He's done it with Pixels (a better video), Mad Max Fury Road, and recently Star Wars: The Force Awakens. The style is very hit or miss (Pixels and Force Awakens were the decent ones).
Part of the reason is with Blip's death, he has to rely on YouTube as well and YouTube copyright is pure bullshit.

Yeah, I agree that Tom got screwed over (no pun intended). Apparently a lot of former ScrewAttack contributors were mistreated by Craig. It's no surprise that RoosterTeeth is buying them out.
 
I used to watch Nostalgia Critic regularly, but when he stopped doing them only to resume, I got bored because it just seemed each and every episode was about 50% review and 50% random boring skits with that girl and guy, which might be him trying to make a story or whatever, but I watched him when he just did the actual movies. I still go back to some of his old stuff, and he did introduce me to the god awful but good mess that was the Room. That said, I don't mind watching his vlogs of cartoons, although I disagree with some of his opinions.

The two I really like are Lindsay and Brad. I didn't get into Brad until a couple years ago, but when I started watching, it really clicked because his sense of humor is a lot smoother than most. The snarky, but still intelligent in some ways style is something that appealed to me.
 
There was also The Uncanny Valley, an anthology experiment that likely failed as they didn't do another one after that. It was meant to parody/homage Tales of the Crypt, but it barely did.
First one was the closest to that format, with a video game character coming to life and upstaging the guy that played the game, complete with twist ending. The second one is a weird one about aliens wanting to take cats because of all the cute cat videos. The third was Brad's pilot for The Reviewers, which became an ongoing series but is currently on hiatus as one of the actor's turned out to be a complete asshole. The fourth was Mike Jeavons doing a comedy bit that predictably ends with him drugging Film Brain. The fifth was an ultra-serious documentary on the horrors of cyberbullying.

If this sounds incredibly inconsistent, that's because it is. Brad himself told me that Doug gave them a single instruction. "Make a video about the internet". Nothing more than that. He didn't say anything about "Tales of the Crypt-style" or a specific genre.
Doug himself realized it was a mistake when he mocked it in an NC review.
I totally forgot about that one. I guess that says a lot about the quality. Ha ha.
 
It's obvious the management was never done very well over there. The fact that the redesign website is still using a basic premade layout speaks volumes.
 
Hocus Pocus is one of his new "clipless reviews", where he looks at a movie without using copyrighted footage. He started doing it with Jurassic World, which was a major miss but got TONS of views. He's done it with Pixels (a better video), Mad Max Fury Road, and recently Star Wars: The Force Awakens.

I haven't seen the others you mentioned, but I just rewatched the Jurassic World one, and I really enjoyed it at the time (probably because it was a breath of fresh air) but I still do enjoy it. And, I think the primary reason is that it is written like an old episode. All of the skits are basically done in cutaway with narration over them, so they are only pantomimed, and they either heighten the absurdity of the scenes or add color to the writing itself. You could edit out the skits and replace them with clips of the movie with the narration over it (like older reviews) and not lose anything, but by having the stupid skits, it actually just enhances the over-the-top nature of those scenes in the movie. I'll give the Pixels one a shot.

The Hocus Pocus one was just like a terribly unfunny short film that is seemingly referencing the movie (I say seemingly because I checked out so early and because I don't have intimate knowledge of the movie... I've seen it, but it's been almost two decades, and I really wonder if anyone got anything out of it or understood the review unless they've recently seen the movie or know it in detail). It's strange. I can watch a review of Casper, or Blank Check, or Godzilla, or whatever and understand the review and find it humorous without having recently seen the movie or knowing it in detail. But, with something like Lady in the Water, and maybe that's a bad example since that movie seems made up on the fly, it's hard to follow and demands a greater familiarity with the source material than seemingly older reviews required. I mean, I know I saw the Dungeons and Dragons movie in the theater when that was released, but that was only once in my life, and while I can't tell you anything about the plot, that review makes some sense.

I dunno. Maybe I'm just falling into the trap of being "nostalgic" for the older nostalgic movies, but there seemed to be passion and interest in those old reviews (and, again, I think that's why the Jurassic World one worked for him), and there's a greater narrowing of the audience and an assumption that they know the material.

I wonder if he tried to do The Sandlot or Rookie of the Year or Little Giants today if it would work and be like his older stuff or just sloppy. And, I don't know why all of those examples are early 90s sports movies... that's just what I first came up with on the spot. Hell, I've been wanting it for years, again for no real reason except that it has stuck with me since I saw it in theaters in 1995 and I've only seen it once, but I want a review of Tall Tale.
 
I thought they were still going to keep Lindsay's vids though. Not even her new stuff, the "focus" vids, were kept.

I thought there was going to be Cheesy Apocalypse or something but it's gone too.
 
I thought they were still going to keep Lindsay's vids though. Not even her new stuff, the "focus" vids, were kept.

I thought there was going to be Cheesy Apocalypse or something but it's gone too.

She just had something posted on the YouTube page "league of super critics". Still dunno what's going on in full though.
 
I think the talents that I like most that are from the old days and are still around are Bennet The Sage and Todd in the Shadows.
 
Don't like the new player's smaller size, but it seems to actually loads the entire video instead of a small chunk, so it's automatically better.
 
I've never really heard of this being a big thing though.

Neither have I.

Tangled was mostly forgotten about when Frozen rolled around. I remember a more popular discussion being Frozen vs The Wind Rises since those were the two favorites going into the Oscars that year. Tangled vs Frozen was never really a thing.

Anyways, Tangled is a much much better movie.
 
Tangled was a great movie. Frozen was more hit-and-miss than Tangled, with more misses than hits.

I think that less-critical people (or people with a higher tolerance for mistakes) are more likely to prefer Frozen because it reached higher highs than Tangled did (even if that's mostly just Let it Go).

And the general public is dumb (no offense), so that's why Frozen wins so much. And I've got no problem with that. Frozen was great, bring on Frozen 2, or Tangled/Frozen 3, or the new IP, or whatever. I'm sure Disney's takeaway from Frozen wasn't that story doesn't matter. They're going to try their best on all fronts, as they did with both Tangled and Frozen.

As for the argument, I would say that the general public doesn't like a bunch of killjoys telling them that their favorite movie is broken, and the critics don't like it that so many people can't see the flaws in Frozen. Best thing to do is just not be a jerk about things.
 
Doug in general seems to me like the type of guy that is just going through the motions at this point. Demo Reel's bad reception obviously impacted him quite a bit, and it just seemed he was doing NC again for ONLY financial purposes, as opposed to "Getting paid to do what you love" so to speak. His clipless ones seem to be a bridge between the two formats, which as others have said, are hit or miss depending on the review.

Brad really seems like he loves every facet of film and it still shows through the reviews. This passion touches the people he's crossed over with as Lupa has found her groove in her public access style reviews. Phelous even seems to be getting more passionate about the things he reviews, as opposed to the droned tone of previous works.

Linkara... is an odd beast. He's somewhat self aware over his status as a C-Lister, yet the storyline bits are played completely seriously like it's the hottest shit. The movie specifically cemented this weird disconnect (To me at least).

Spoony is one I've never watched, so no comment. Same with Bennet and others. (MikeJ is fine when he actually does movies and Blockbuster Buster is fine in doses)

ChannelAwesome/TGWTG feels like a relic of a pre-YouTube era where the concept of reviewing things on video on the internet was the shit. The fact that they could get talent above their level (Avatar/Pinky&TheBrainVA's, JonTron, Cinema Sins, Honest Trailers) still gives me pause from time to time.
 
Doug in general seems to me like the type of guy that is just going through the motions at this point. Demo Reel's bad reception obviously impacted him quite a bit, and it just seemed he was doing NC again for ONLY financial purposes, as opposed to "Getting paid to do what you love" so to speak. His clipless ones seem to be a bridge between the two formats, which as others have said, are hit or miss depending on the review.

Brad really seems like he loves every facet of film and it still shows through the reviews. This passion touches the people he's crossed over with as Lupa has found her groove in her public access style reviews. Phelous even seems to be getting more passionate about the things he reviews, as opposed to the droned tone of previous works.

Linkara... is an odd beast. He's somewhat self aware over his status as a C-Lister, yet the storyline bits are played completely seriously like it's the hottest shit. The movie specifically cemented this weird disconnect (To me at least).

Spoony is one I've never watched, so no comment. Same with Bennet and others. (MikeJ is fine when he actually does movies and Blockbuster Buster is fine in doses)

ChannelAwesome/TGWTG feels like a relic of a pre-YouTube era where the concept of reviewing things on video on the internet was the shit. The fact that they could get talent above their level (Avatar/Pinky&TheBrainVA's, JonTron, Cinema Sins, Honest Trailers) still gives me pause from time to time.

i think phelous is great. he's always been self-aware in a sense that it feels like he knows it could go away at any moment, so he tries to at least have a little fun with it.

lindsay ellis is the real breakout star as far as i'm concerned, although she doesn't really have a lot of attention on her, losing the chezapocalypse site probably wasn't a good step in this direction, and since she's focused on loose canon once a month, it's seemed like interest has dried up. but i think she offers some thoughtful analyses and puts together the best shows. even when she was basically doing doug's 'review-the-movie' format, i thought she had better comedic timing and more genuinely interesting things to say.
 
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