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Disneycember: Star Wars

I imagine the rest of the week will be the other five movies (six if he's doing the animated Clone Wars movie). I don't think he's going to do The Force Awakens right after it comes out. I could be wrong though.
 
All Star Wars have this weird problem of having the pacing go dead around the middle.

I think only the first film doesn't suffer from that.
 
Interesting episode. Along with mocking the movie, it also addresses the numerous criticisms with his show as of late.

I did find it funny how he tried to make it seem like his old style was bad, but I still prefer it. Less is more to me. His best newer style reviews have a good balance though. I'm not a big fan of when he relies too much on skits. So nice to see he realized that at the end.
 
I figured out how to make jplayer work - by loading the html5 version.
Mind explaining how to do that? That would probably make watching videos so much easier for me as well. Not to mention I can actually load more than 5% of the video at a time.
 
I did find it funny how he tried to make it seem like his old style was bad, but I still prefer it. Less is more to me. His best newer style reviews have a good balance though. I'm not a big fan of when he relies too much on skits. So nice to see he realized that at the end.

I'll give Doug this, he does listen to the critics.
I know far too many internet personalities that refuse to listen to criticism and thus their product is worse for it *cough*Irate Gamer*cough*
 
Mind explaining how to do that? That would probably make watching videos so much easier for me as well. Not to mention I can actually load more than 5% of the video at a time.

Turn off adobe flash, in firefox it's in extensions. Then refresh the tab/page. I've been doing that for sfdebris's videos.
 
Disneycember: The Phantom Menace.

He continues to argue for the prequel lightsaber fights, but not as much as his last video about it.
 
I still haven't seen concrete evidence that the original trilogy had better fights. I can accept that the prequel fights were dumber in tone though.
 
I still haven't seen concrete evidence that the original trilogy had better fights. I can accept that the prequel fights were dumber in tone though.

Can't make a big argument for A New Hope, but Empire and Jedi were choreographed by Bob Anderson, and I don't think Hollywood ever had a better swordsman working in the business.

My biggest problem with the Prequel fights is the actors, in addition to showing no emotion in the fights, are clearly just trying to hit their marks. They're never trying to fight each other. Swings will be feet above a character's head, because that's where his mark is, not because he had any intention of trying to hit his opponent. Here's a video that illustrates it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw

By contrast, in Empire and Jedi, it feels like a fight. It feels like the two are trying to hurt each other in Jedi. And just to emphasize the character element, in Empire the way they fight makes it obvious that Vader is just screwing around. Luke is giving it his all and Vader is just basically humoring him.
 
Can't make a big argument for A New Hope, but Empire and Jedi were choreographed by Bob Anderson, and I don't think Hollywood ever had a better swordsman working in the business.

I guess it's just different want's then. I don't think there's any arguing that the prequels were more flashy. Which can lend people to believe they're better.
 
Disneycember: The Phantom Menace.

He continues to argue for the prequel lightsaber fights, but not as much as his last video about it.
What's wrong with that? I disagree and prefer the fights in Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, but it's not like the OT style is objectively better.
 
Bob Anderson was essentially the John Williams of fight choreography. He believed (while employing a classical fencing style) that movie fights should be grounded in reality, with actual moves responding to actual moves, that fight scenes should have scripted pacing and flow, and that they should contribute to the emotion of the audience, the same way that music and camerawork do. Swordfights aren't just two children hitting each other's sticks in the playground.

The Obi Wan vs Vader fight in the original Star Wars wasn't very good at all, but it was performed by an old man and a guy who couldn't see, and directed by George Lucas. It was groundbreaking for it's time because of the visual and idea of a laser sword.

NC said in his reviews of Empire and Jedi that Vader suddenly became a scary, menacing beast. That you felt he could tear you to shreds or sit back and watch you with calculating patience. And IIRC, he attributed part of that atmosphere to the John Williams music. But he neglected to give credit to the fight choreography.

In Empire, Luke (who had previously used a blaster and an X-Wing in ANH) picks up his late father's sword and runs off to kill the man who killed him and Obi Wan, thinking he's learned how to use a sword now himself. But a kid shouldn't pick up a sword and try to take on a stone-cold Knight, so Vader toys with Luke for a while before brutally disarming him and confronting him with the truth.

In Return, Luke has recovered from his beating and forged a new sword, and improved his technique. He takes out some thugs. Yay! Then he goes to face Vader again, and he's gotten better, making it a closer fight (Vader has to use two hands), but Luke's still outclassed. Then Luke discovers rage as a source of power, and actually delivers a convincing beatdown because of it, before rejecting that and taking a more philosophical approach to conflict resolution.

Much of that comes from the fight choreography.

By 1999, martial arts were the new cool in Hollywood, but that doesn't mean you're supposed to toss out all of your knights and replace them with martial artists. That's actually a negative in my opinion. Star Wars tries to use the excuse of "Oh, Jedi wisdom was lost and Luke is an untrained stupid", but Darth Vader was clearly a Knight. A Dark Knight. A Dark Jedi Knight. Obi Wan was even passable as an old retired Knight in ANH.

But trends are trends, so Star Wars is a martial arts franchise now. And Lucas even hired a trained martial artist to play Darth Maul, so there won't be a repeat of the sloppy ANH fight. (Who needs actors? Not George Lucas!) But the Darth Maul fight is some of the most passionless fighting I've ever seen in a movie. I tried to watch the Phantom Menace somewhat recently, and I just can't get over how little Qui Gon's death matters to that fight. It doesn't even matter that the fight changed from 2-on-1 to 1-on-1 (and don't say Obi Wan upped his game, because he didn't).

And then Darth Maul pointlessly dies. So that Lucas can throw out the youthful trained martial artist, and replace him with Christopher Lee. (That's amazing but... What the hell?) But it's okay, it doesn't matter that Christopher Lee is the walking dead, because his scenes can be done almost entirely in CG. And Lucas can also give everybody what they really wanted, a bouncing, flipping, CG martial-arts-knight Yoda, to assassinate beloved characters and destroy the last of your faith in humanity.

There's no way the Anakin/Obi Wan fight in RotS should've gone on that long and died on that little hill. It just says that none of it was real. Neither one of them was really trying. If they were, there would've been some sort of momentum shifts or something, but there wasn't, it was just a twilrling and flipping dance with glow-in-the-dark rave accessories, as Anakin and Obi Wan held hands and merrily skipped through hell over to the burning hill where they decided they would settle things with their epic one-move battle.

The prequel fights get a lot of "they're better because they're new", but they're not better, and the classical style has proven advantages. So they get a lot of "Well then, at least they're not worse, because two different styles means apples and oranges." But they can be compared to the style they're going for, which is martial arts movies. And the prequel fights don't compare favorably to Asian cinema. But... we're talking Asian-inspired Hollywood cinema, right? Well, I think most people would agree that The Matrix (which came out in 1999, same as the Phantom Menace) did martial arts better than Star Wars did. The only thing the Prequels have is lightsabers (which were overplayed) and a John Williams soundtrack.
 
Can't make a big argument for A New Hope, but Empire and Jedi were choreographed by Bob Anderson, and I don't think Hollywood ever had a better swordsman working in the business.

My biggest problem with the Prequel fights is the actors, in addition to showing no emotion in the fights, are clearly just trying to hit their marks. They're never trying to fight each other. Swings will be feet above a character's head, because that's where his mark is, not because he had any intention of trying to hit his opponent. Here's a video that illustrates it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw

By contrast, in Empire and Jedi, it feels like a fight. It feels like the two are trying to hurt each other in Jedi. And just to emphasize the character element, in Empire the way they fight makes it obvious that Vader is just screwing around. Luke is giving it his all and Vader is just basically humoring him.
That video is perfect, lol.
 
Yeah I never understood his comment on the fight back in his top 11 "the prequel trilogy did it right"

I guess he was too hyped on seeing Yoda fight
 
Just wondering, but anyone else having problems with the new video player since about a month or two? The new video player is trash and doesn't work for me. It doesn't buffer the video and keeps loading to absolutely no end.
 
Bob Anderson was essentially the John Williams of fight choreography. He believed (while employing a classical fencing style) that movie fights should be grounded in reality, with actual moves responding to actual moves, that fight scenes should have scripted pacing and flow, and that they should contribute to the emotion of the audience, the same way that music and camerawork do. Swordfights aren't just two children hitting each other's sticks in the playground.

The Obi Wan vs Vader fight in the original Star Wars wasn't very good at all, but it was performed by an old man and a guy who couldn't see, and directed by George Lucas. It was groundbreaking for it's time because of the visual and idea of a laser sword.

NC said in his reviews of Empire and Jedi that Vader suddenly became a scary, menacing beast. That you felt he could tear you to shreds or sit back and watch you with calculating patience. And IIRC, he attributed part of that atmosphere to the John Williams music. But he neglected to give credit to the fight choreography.

In Empire, Luke (who had previously used a blaster and an X-Wing in ANH) picks up his late father's sword and runs off to kill the man who killed him and Obi Wan, thinking he's learned how to use a sword now himself. But a kid shouldn't pick up a sword and try to take on a stone-cold Knight, so Vader toys with Luke for a while before brutally disarming him and confronting him with the truth.

In Return, Luke has recovered from his beating and forged a new sword, and improved his technique. He takes out some thugs. Yay! Then he goes to face Vader again, and he's gotten better, making it a closer fight (Vader has to use two hands), but Luke's still outclassed. Then Luke discovers rage as a source of power, and actually delivers a convincing beatdown because of it, before rejecting that and taking a more philosophical approach to conflict resolution.

Much of that comes from the fight choreography.

By 1999, martial arts were the new cool in Hollywood, but that doesn't mean you're supposed to toss out all of your knights and replace them with martial artists. That's actually a negative in my opinion. Star Wars tries to use the excuse of "Oh, Jedi wisdom was lost and Luke is an untrained stupid", but Darth Vader was clearly a Knight. A Dark Knight. A Dark Jedi Knight. Obi Wan was even passable as an old retired Knight in ANH.

But trends are trends, so Star Wars is a martial arts franchise now. And Lucas even hired a trained martial artist to play Darth Maul, so there won't be a repeat of the sloppy ANH fight. (Who needs actors? Not George Lucas!) But the Darth Maul fight is some of the most passionless fighting I've ever seen in a movie. I tried to watch the Phantom Menace somewhat recently, and I just can't get over how little Qui Gon's death matters to that fight. It doesn't even matter that the fight changed from 2-on-1 to 1-on-1 (and don't say Obi Wan upped his game, because he didn't).

And then Darth Maul pointlessly dies. So that Lucas can throw out the youthful trained martial artist, and replace him with Christopher Lee. (That's amazing but... What the hell?) But it's okay, it doesn't matter that Christopher Lee is the walking dead, because his scenes can be done almost entirely in CG. And Lucas can also give everybody what they really wanted, a bouncing, flipping, CG martial-arts-knight Yoda, to assassinate beloved characters and destroy the last of your faith in humanity.

There's no way the Anakin/Obi Wan fight in RotS should've gone on that long and died on that little hill. It just says that none of it was real. Neither one of them was really trying. If they were, there would've been some sort of momentum shifts or something, but there wasn't, it was just a twilrling and flipping dance with glow-in-the-dark rave accessories, as Anakin and Obi Wan held hands and merrily skipped through hell over to the burning hill where they decided they would settle things with their epic one-move battle.

The prequel fights get a lot of "they're better because they're new", but they're not better, and the classical style has proven advantages. So they get a lot of "Well then, at least they're not worse, because two different styles means apples and oranges." But they can be compared to the style they're going for, which is martial arts movies. And the prequel fights don't compare favorably to Asian cinema. But... we're talking Asian-inspired Hollywood cinema, right? Well, I think most people would agree that The Matrix (which came out in 1999, same as the Phantom Menace) did martial arts better than Star Wars did. The only thing the Prequels have is lightsabers (which were overplayed) and a John Williams soundtrack.
Well I can't disagree with any of that. The Prequel fights seemed cool when I was a teenager. But now they're just silly to watch.
 
The problem with the new stuff is that the skits are hit and miss and go on for too long. I don't know why they can never accept that.

Pretty much. I still think that FaceOff is one of his best in terms of balance. Feels like a older style episode but the skits are nice and short, but it still uses the cast regularly.
 
There is something very oddly written about these Diseycember reviews he does, like he calls Obi-Wan a 'wizard'.

Jedi are essentially space wizards (he's not the only to point this out)
Obi-Wan fills the wizard mentor archetype seen in a lot of fiction.
 
Doug doesn't seem to get that people don't mind that Lucas updated SFX, people mind that he changed things.

Just look at the Star Trek Blu Ray remasters. They updated tons of stuff, and I would say Trekkies are a lot more picky. Trekkies didn't care, and liked it.
 
Doug doesn't seem to get that people don't mind that Lucas updated SFX, people mind that he changed things.

Just look at the Star Trek Blu Ray remasters. They updated tons of stuff, and I would say Trekkies are a lot more picky. Trekkies didn't care, and liked it.

I thought Doug did a good job of pointing out some positive changes, and saying that he likes the basic idea that Lucas takes the time to come back and tinker with things, because movies are never really "finished" (they're just "good enough" to push out the door after you've spent too long trying to make them perfect). That it's only bad because Lucas tried to bury the original versions.

But then... Han Shot Second. Because "Who cares? It's not that important. You're overreacting." Nope. You have to consider that some changes are good and some changes are bad.

Han Solo was a lovable rogue. The original scene showed that he kept dangerous company, and that he was dangerous himself. He's normally a pretty nice guy, but back him into a corner with the intent to kill him, and he'll fucking kill you to get out of that corner. But then George Lucas became afraid of the idea that his "hero" was a rogue, so he neutered him. It's terrible on so many levels.

And, Doug sort of defended the CG Jabba scene in ANH, but said that it was redundant along with the Greedo scene that was intended to replace it. I can sort of accept that, but after Doug defending Han Shot Second, I find myself compelled to point out that Doug didn't go far enough, and the CG Jabba scene was terrible. It was never intended to include a giant slug (that version of Jabba didn't exist yet). It ruins the two-movie buildup, third-movie reveal of Jabba. It ruins the Millennium Falcon reveal a few scenes later. Harrison Ford's performance was an obviously terrible greenscreen performance, somehow without the existence of a single greenscreen in that scene. Lucas using CG to make Han step on Jabba's tail as a joke to get around how the scene was shot "wrong" damages the characters of Han and Jabba (this is supposed to be the mobster Han owes money to, who would enjoy stringing Han's corpse up as a trophy in his palace). The recontextualized "You're a wonderful human being" quip damages the characters of Han and Jabba.

You can't just ignore these subtle ways in which George Lucas repeatedly proves himself to be incompetent.
 
In Return, Luke has recovered from his beating and forged a new sword, and improved his technique. He takes out some thugs. Yay! Then he goes to face Vader again, and he's gotten better, making it a closer fight (Vader has to use two hands), but Luke's still outclassed. Then Luke discovers rage as a source of power, and actually delivers a convincing beatdown because of it, before rejecting that and taking a more philosophical approach to conflict resolution.

I agree with everything you said except this part. Luke wasn't out classed in ROTJ. Luke was holding back. He was struggling with saving his friends and falling into the dark side. He wasn't hiding from Vader cause he couldn't beat him, he was hiding from his own dark side. To me, this was the light saber fight in the series. It's also the reason I think ROTJ is the best in the trilogy. That fight alone had so much power and emotion in it. The music when Luke goes berserk was amazing. This is also why ROTS was so shitty to me. The scene with the Emperor turning Anakin to the dark side had none of the power or emotional impact as the one in ROTJ.
 
Doug doesn't seem to get that people don't mind that Lucas updated SFX, people mind that he changed things.

Just look at the Star Trek Blu Ray remasters. They updated tons of stuff, and I would say Trekkies are a lot more picky. Trekkies didn't care, and liked it.

But I agree with his sentiment exactly; none of the Special Edition (and beyond) updates would be a problem at all if the original, untouched films were offered alongside them.

You could then make the choice...do you want to see the "Director's Cut" or do you want to watch the original release instead?

But without a high quality version of the original releases to watch...that's when people get upset.
 
Yes, in-universe to backward moisture farmers. But outside he's called a 'Jedi'.

Star Wars is technically "science fiction", but compared to something like Star Trek it's more like "science fantasy" because George Lucas borrowed tropes from the fantasy genre (which is a great thing, IMO).

For example, the lightsaber is basically a magic sword.

On one level (in-universe myth) Jedi are wizards. On another level (in-universe boring) they're just Jedi. On another level (film critique) they wrap back around to being wizards again.
 
But I agree with his sentiment exactly; none of the Special Edition (and beyond) updates would be a problem at all if the original, untouched films were offered alongside them.

You could then make the choice...do you want to see the "Director's Cut" or do you want to watch the original release instead?

But without a high quality version of the original releases to watch...that's when people get upset.

There's an old interview with Lucas from several years ago where he was mad that fans complain about the changes he makes, but no one complains about all the different versions of Blade Runner. Sadly, the interviewer did not follow up by mentioning that the original version is always made available.
 
I'm still angry people booed the second film though. I mean seriously, a muppets movie about the muppets? lol
 
I hate to be the guy, but this years Disneycember pretty much sucks. Doug doesn't really have very good taste in movies, and it shows in his Star Wars and Studio Ghibli reviews - or indeed any review where he reviews a move that is actually good. He should stick to crappy movies and retro stuff.

edit: or at least this short review format makes the reviews seem really bad.
 
Doug doesn't seem to get that people don't mind that Lucas updated SFX, people mind that he changed things.

Just look at the Star Trek Blu Ray remasters. They updated tons of stuff, and I would say Trekkies are a lot more picky. Trekkies didn't care, and liked it.

I think some people were always going to complain, but you're right that the "change for change sake" is more what people react to. The Star Trek Blu Rays, for instance, allow you to swap back and forth between the original and the new CG. If there was a similar option for the Star Wars Blu-Rays that would have most likely nullified the freak-outs.
 
I'll give Doug this, he does listen to the critics.
I know far too many internet personalities that refuse to listen to criticism and thus their product is worse for it *cough*Irate Gamer*cough*

This is kinda funny considering that apparently next week hes doing a review of the force awakens... The problem I have with these new clip less review is that A. I haven't seen some of these movies and B. I enjoy actually seeing how bad the scenes hes making fun of are. Its easy to take a scene and make it sound stupid by recreating it with the intention of mocking it. And while I'm sure those scenes were probably bad in the first place I still want to see how bad they are for myself.
 
I don't mind clip-less reviews if they're like Jurassic World or Pixels, but if it's like Mad Max: Fury Road or Hocus Pocus, then yeah, I can see the issues people have with it.

.....and despite not watching the trailer, I have a feeling the Force Awakens review will be closer to the latter examples.
 
I agree the pixels style was fine. Didn't like the basically jut a 30 minute skit style of hocus pocus though. Mad max was a little less than that, but still pretty heavy.
 
Disneycember: Return to Neverland

I forgot this was in theaters.

Doug's explanation for the Disney sequels is wrong. He says that hand-drawn animation was dying, and Disney was losing money, so they were forced to make direct-to-DVD sequels.

But actually, Disney's movies entered a dark age shortly after the death of Walt Disney. By the late 80's, Disney had hired Michael Eisner to revive the company, and he made some big changes focused on generating as much money as possible. Eisner was responsible for Disney's push to TV animation, resulting in megahit shows like Duck Tales, and Disney pretty much owning the eyeballs of kids after school (which lasted until Eisner got in a fight with the Fox network, giving birth to Fox Kids). The second golden age of Disney films started in 1989 with The Little Mermaid.

Disney expanded during this success, and formed Disneytoon Studios, who (along with other smaller studios) made Ducktales The Movie. They also made a pilot movie for an Aladdin TV series called "Aladdin 2: The Return of Jafar". After it was complete, Disney asked themselves "Should we release this in theaters or what?" but they concluded that the budget was too low to pass for a legit theater release, so they should just release it on VHS.

Aladdin 2 sold like crazy and earned Disney a whole bunch of money, so Eisner decided on a new, third way of making Disney animation. Disneytoon Studios would be exclusively tasked to take existing Disney IP and milk it for all it's worth, making low-budget direct-to-video sequels that weren't allowed to take creative risks (because that might damage the IP). Disneytoon Studios gets a lot of flak for the quality of the Disney sequels, but they were operating under absurd restrictions, like the writers and animators being told they aren't even allowed to watch the original movie before making it's sequel (seriously).

Disneytoon Studios operated in this way, getting no respect from anyone while injecting billions of dollars into Disney's bottom line, until Eisner jeopardized Disney's lucrative relationship with Pixar, and an uprising left Eisner's head on a pike and Pixar in control of Disney. John Lasseter shut down the sequel machine (as he found it distasteful) and fired it's Eisner-appointed head, while Disney Consumer Products (the machine behind "Disney Princess" marketing) suggested that Disneytoon should be given the "Tinkerbell" franchise, because Tink was marketed like a female Mickey Mouse, but in the last 50 years, Steven Spielberg (founder of rival Dreamworks, co-founded by another guy Eisner pissed off) had done more with the character than Disney did. So with the help of Lasseter, Disneytoon made some great Tinkerbell movies.

Walt Disney Animation Studios (the core of Disney, the feature animation division) eventually started to decline, and was re-energized with the move to CG animation, but that was largely unrelated to Disneytoon and the direct-to-video sequels, which had survived the death of the Disney Afternoon, the decline of WDAS, the death of VHS, the death of Eisner, the death of 2D animation, and even the death of Disney sequels.

Faced with dwindling direct-to-video sales due to the public's disinterest in Blu Ray, Disneytoon was eventually ordered to get off the "Tinkerbell" train and jump to the lucrative "Frozen" train, and they've technically been disbanded and integrated into WDAS, to help speed the arrival of Frozen 2. (Is that irony, or just the proper application of talent?)


As for the review, I hated Peter Pan 2. I thought it was just terrible. And I like Disneytoon Studios enough to write long rambling posts about their history, and am the proud owner of six Tinkerbell blurays.
 
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