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Belfast said:
You guys do know you don't have to use spoiler tags this thread is safe I think. Anyway Crocodile could have struck up some kind of deal with the world government. Escape to the new world and keep within an area. Afterall I never understood why the would relieve him of his post outside of embarassment. So assuming a new guise and returning would make some sense. Though I wouldn't like it, also why are none of the shichibukai dead, it's kind of scary to think of the mounting bodies of enemies the crew will have. Another thing is it just me or does it seem like it's setting up for caime joining later. I can see them designing costumes for the crew (I can already see the wacky wanted posters) and putting her skills to use.
As for Naruto this week I think we're past any believeable way for Sasuke to win this. I like Itachi as a character but I think Susano-o is way over powered. It makes me think how stupid the 4th must have been for sacrificing himself so stupidly. When all of these akatsuki guys (or the majority) seem to have access to these godly jutsus. I mean as if sharingan doesn't unlock enough, he has access to a monster weilding a sword which cannot be broken and has sealing properties. Even with all that i'm still glad Itachi's still standing but i'm worried about how the balance will work.
Belfast said:
Yeah, I think it's Krieg. Krieg was all about the armor and stuff.
Plus it'd be retarded to bring back the Shichibukai who've been defeated. They are major plot points and bringing them back would make it feel like regression instead of progression in the overall plot.
grandjedi6
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Well lets assume for a second that Dupal is a character we have seen previously instead of somebody new
-The character is human
-It would have to be someone who is not in jail right now. That leaves: Morgan, Buggy, Kuro, Kreig, Bellemy, Enel and Foxy.
-We already know Buggy and Enel's rough wereabouts, so it is unlikely to be them.
-Kuro doesn't want to be a pirate, so it is probably not him and Foxy doesn't have that personality at all.
-Bellemy should be dead. But this is One Piece so who knows
-Kreig and Morgan are the only characters whose story arcs are still left open but have not been refered back to. If they are ever going to come back like implied, now is the best time.
-It might be Morgan. But there is a question of whether he would be powerful enough to make it this far in the first place
So I'm betting Kreig, unless Bellemy comes back to life from One Piece magic
-The character is human
-It would have to be someone who is not in jail right now. That leaves: Morgan, Buggy, Kuro, Kreig, Bellemy, Enel and Foxy.
-We already know Buggy and Enel's rough wereabouts, so it is unlikely to be them.
-Kuro doesn't want to be a pirate, so it is probably not him and Foxy doesn't have that personality at all.
-Bellemy should be dead. But this is One Piece so who knows
-Kreig and Morgan are the only characters whose story arcs are still left open but have not been refered back to. If they are ever going to come back like implied, now is the best time.
-It might be Morgan. But there is a question of whether he would be powerful enough to make it this far in the first place
So I'm betting Kreig, unless Bellemy comes back to life from One Piece magic
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Nolan. said:
I think Crocodile will come back. But not until some kind of Impel Down breakout (coughAcecough). Like Vivi, there are too many references which keeps Croc relevant. It might not happen this year, or the next or the one after that, but eventually Croc and Vivi will enter the storyline again
Nolan said:
Camie is a promising candidate. But she has yet to display many of the requirements for new crewmember
Strawhat Crewmember requirements
-has a face-fault (Exception: Robin)
-Has a dream
-Has a flashback
-Has a job or activity they excell in
-Has an offensive ability (Exception: Nami at first)
-Has to be asked to join the crew by Luffy (or at least demand Luffy to let them join)
-Have to be an important character of that arc and must be a part of the final fights (Exception: Robin....kinda)
The dream one is probably the most important. Until Camie starts displaying more of these attributes, she is nothing more than the Conis of this arc. Though Camie does seem to impress Luffy, which is more than Conis ever did.
Carmie has a face fault, she's done it numerous times already. She can also talk to fish which could actually be pretty helpful when they get to the rough parts of the New World. The obvious thing holding her back so far to me is fighting. She seems to have absolutely zero fighting ability which is of course a huge no-no.
Not to be a party pooper or anything, but can we not post fan scans in this thread? The forums have a pretty tough stance on piracy in general and fan scanlations are a real grey area, so I think it's best that we just stop it before it becomes a problem. 
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Kusagari said:
Camie is definetly one to keep an eye out for. But she still reminds me too much of Conis.
Reno said:Not to be a party pooper or anything, but can we not post fan scans in this thread? The forums have a pretty tough stance on piracy in general and fan scanlations are a real grey area, so I think it's best that we just stop it before it becomes a problem.
I don't see how it is any different from posting images from comic books, as long as you don't post the whole chapters. But it's up to the mods either way
Kreig was a piss-weak hack who couldn't survive a day in the Grand Line, yet now he's managed to make it to the border of the New World and establish himself all before Luffy? And why would he be running a fishmen gang?grandjedi6 said:
Morgan is yet another piss-weak loser, who was last seen randomly floating around the ocean. He's nothing
Crusade said:
Dupal isn't running a fishmen gang. The flying fish riders all look to be humans that ride flying fish. It's only the gang trying to kidnap Carmie that are definitely fishmen. Dupal's gang has just teamed up with the fishmen gang.
On the topic of Dupal's identity, I think it's too early to be going down the list of "Luffy enemies" that Dupal could be, since we haven't established if Dupal is after Luffy or another guy in Luffy's crew. Zoro, Sanji, or Ussop could also be candidates for "ruining Dupal's life" since they've been around long enough.
CrushDance
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One of the most important pieces of the story of Naruto is Uchiha Sasuke and the fallen Uchiha clan. But it is not only the bonds between Naruto and Sasuke that drives the series, but also the Sharingan, the legendary doujutsu possessed by the Uchiha that makes them equally or more powerful than the average shinboi through the following:
A) Visual Perception: An Uchiha is able to not only predict the movements of a enemy, but also see their Chakra and use that with their knowledge of prior jutsus and seeing many ninja fight over the years, allows them to *Predict* the enemies movements. It is not magic but rather training the eye to how the average ninja will move that makes Uchiha able to counter any attacks that may come. It's like the old adage "Practice makes perfect".
B) Genjutsu: Probably the most fearsome of all Uchiha abilities. Using genjutsu they are able to stop an enemy before they can even take a step against them and suffer from little or no physical harm at all. This is greater than any ninjutsu as the user is able to project* any idea on the intended target with little consequence.
C) Copying: Because Uchiha can copy opponents skills, they have a great advantage in battles. Most of the time when it comes down to it, the ninja with the better elemental affinity will win a match if their jutsu are stronger than their opponent.
The Secret of the Uchihas strength like all things, lies in their experience with the Sharingan. At first the doujutsu is rather weak, but over the course of time as they encounter more opponents and are able to copy both physical and ninjutsu styles, their ability to counter average ninja increases and makes them all the more terrifying.
But how does it all work? In this short essay I will attempt to explain this, with a little bit of logic and a little bit of understanding of how the human eye works.
Above is a cross section of the human eye. The main pint of contention here will deal with the optic nerve and its correlation to the brain and surrounding areas. As you can see the optic nerve has a direct connection to the brain and most interesting of all , to the area responsible for memory and emotions. This will be relevant later to Genjutsu and the copy ability.
Visual Perception and Activation of the Sharingan
When looking at an object, the eye fills in with light in order to understand the reality reflecting on it. This is your eyesight. When it is dark your pupils will expand to let in more light in order to get a better grasp of your surroundings; and when its bright they will shrink to allow you to focus better. Notice how the light shines into the lens and sends the information to your brain to create an image, where all your memories and thoughts are stored. It is due to the light which causes your pupils to either expand or shrink depending on the severity of light or lack thereof. Something interesting about the Sharingan though is the ability for its growth and the addition of tomes. It would seem pointless at first to have 4 total tomes in all, but closer inspection reveals the reason for this. Here's the idea, imagine that your eye has 4 optic nerve connections instead of 1, now in the case of Uchiha, when they are born they neither have the Sharingan or extra pupils present but must rather gain them through experience and emotional triggers. Later in genjutsu we will go more in depth about the emotional aspect, but for now, lets look at several things.
COLOUR: The cones are responsible for colour identification and notice something interesting between the colour of the Sharingan, most likely due to the eye straining excessively when 4 pupils are active at ONCE, additional blood may be needed in order to fuel the Sharingan at full tilt. This could likely be a reason for Itachi bleeding after using the Mangekyou Sharingan to much against Sasuke. The cones are in the following: 6 to 7 million cones can be divided into "red" cones (64%), "green" cones (32%), and "blue" cones (2%) based on measured response curves. They provide the eye's color sensitivity. The green and red cones are concentrated in the fovea centralis .
Additional Tomes: So you have a primary pupil which is active when you are born and 3 additional ones that are dormant. Now can the eye expand and shrink? Why yes it can. Depending on the amount of light your eyes will adjust to give you optimal vision with blinding yourself and without losing to much sight. It is because of this that the additional tomes are activated. VIA LIGHT AND EMOTIONS as a lesser factor, one can unlock the other tomes. Why? Your eyes have CONES and RODS, the cones provide colour sensitivity and the rods are photorecptors. They are affected by light! Now think of Photosynthesis for a moment and remember that in the process of photosynthesis, plants "rise" towards the sun and absorb the light in order to grow, in essence the human eye works in the same way.
The more an Uchiha strains their eyes and focuses the better the neurons can fire and eventually over time the dormant pupils will awaken due to constant exposure of light and the ability for additional processing to be done, thanks to the Sharingan.
In kakashi Gaiden, we are given the chance the see the Sharingan come to fruition and pay attention, by strong emotions. While light does play a major role, so does emotions in activating the additional pupils. Thanks to adrenaline which is often released in high pressure situations, the eyes will expand and allow for more light to enter. Notice how obito has a strong recollection of the memories important to him and how he is in a "charged" state as the rock ninja are surround him, Kakashi and Rin.
"Sharingan"
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Genjutsu:
Now we know from the manga and the information above that emotions play a large role in the use and activation of the Sharingan. But it is the ability to project an image that one conjures in their mind that they are then able to force onto another person. Notice how the eyes have a direction connection to ones memory and thought process areas.
This is obviously necessary in order for you the understand what you are actually perceiving in real time, the Sharingan makes use of this fact in order for the user literally replay their thoughts and memories via the Sharingan almost like a projector.
This causes the victim who looks into their eyes trapped in the Uchihas own world. There is no actual world created or any magic* of sorts, all that occurs is hypnosis. The brain takes what it perceives as reality via the hypnosis and responds to that, people can be made to believe that they are different animals, beings etc. This is what makes the Sharingan so deadly, you are thrown into a hypnosis that your brain thinks is real, you are figthting one moment and the next you are being chased by a runaway train. Your heart rate increases, blood pressure, adrenaline and...your pupils expand allowing for the Sharingan to affect you even more. All of these things takes a tole on your body and once released from the Genjutsu, your body accounts for what it thinks was real. This is what causes those caught in Genjutsu to appear dazed after being released from it and the sudden appearance of physical exertion. Notice Kakashi after hes released from Tsukiyomi and his comment about how it feels like 3 days have passes, even though there are NO PHYSICAL WOUNDS on his body, yet his mind believes that damage had been done, thus resulting in his physical degradation.
But note how there must be direct contact between the user and the victims eyes all the time we've seen Tsukiyomi or powerful genjutsu used, the Sharingan user has always had to close their eyes for a brief moment of time and let the attack "buffer" the image and or memories they wish to use must first be created and then "streamed" to the victims mind. Notice how Itachi closes his eyes before releasing Tsukiyomi on Kakashi and again picks Sasuke up and brings him to eye level in order to maximize the effect of Tsukiyomi.
Can this be avoided though? Yes. note how when Itachi and Kisame come to Konoha and engage in combat with Kakashi, Kurenai, Asuma are all defeated, Kakashi warns them to close their eyes and they do so in order to not be affected by the Sharingan. It is not until Gai explains that the reflection of the eyes causes the hypnosis and as long as they avoid that, they can fight with Itachi.
Magekyou Sharingan, Strain and loss of sight: Now one of the newest factors brought into the story of the Sharingan as of late has been it's inevitable decline and wear and tear. At first I too was puzzled by this until I realized something critical, the activiation of the Sharingan itself require tremendous amount of chakra(Stamina/Spirit) and straining of the eyes along with increased blood flow to the eyes. Notice the strain put on Itachis eyes as he forced the tomes together to create the magekyou, the optical nerves TWIST and focus as one on the intended target. This is why we've never seen any Uchiha use Mangekyou Sharingan 24/7 unlike the 1-3 tome Sharingans. This is also one of the reasons why Itachi and Sasuke both have used typically kept their Sharingan active even when not in use, because the strain used to activate the 3 tome alone is strong enough that it is best to keep it active at long periods of time instead of constantly reactivating it. Almost like a computer.
So in conclusion I'd like to thank you guy for reading up on my theory and wish me luck in my epic questions to become an Optometrist >_>
Questions and comments will be taken as well!
grandjedi6
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Orgen said:
rollingstart
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Hunter X Hunter 272 was amazing, so far that makes each week feel the longest.
Deadly Monk
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Itachi is out. Not the end some of you were expecting for him.
At least we got to see Sasuke tremble and face his death for but a moment. He technically won thanks to Itachi stamina running out at the last second. If Itachi could've walked one more foot, Sasuke would've been blind.
At least we got to see Sasuke tremble and face his death for but a moment. He technically won thanks to Itachi stamina running out at the last second. If Itachi could've walked one more foot, Sasuke would've been blind.
In this thread there's no need for spoiler tags. At least that's what I always thought.
Anyway, so Itachi pretty much killed himself by "overdosing" on Sharingan. That's what I'm taking away from the early spoiler anyway. Although, that means that Sasuke won't get the satisfaction from killing Itachi.
That's kind of how I figured it would end (Sasuke not being able to kill him), but I thought someone else would kill Itachi.
Anyway, so Itachi pretty much killed himself by "overdosing" on Sharingan. That's what I'm taking away from the early spoiler anyway. Although, that means that Sasuke won't get the satisfaction from killing Itachi.
That's kind of how I figured it would end (Sasuke not being able to kill him), but I thought someone else would kill Itachi.
Ark-AMN said:
In either case (Sasuke killing him, or Itachi dying from exhaustion) it totally justifies Sasuke's betrayal of his friends and Konoha. Which is just completely fucking stupid on so many levels. Unless Kishi plans for Sasuke to be the final villain, and die in the end, I don't see how this can possibly play out in a reasonable fashion.
Snaku said:
That was pretty much what I was expecting. Since Naruto vs. Sasuke has been a running thing throughout the entirety of this increasingly silly manga, I would expect the last fight would be basically the mother of all show-downs, as Naruto with the Kyuubi, and Sasuke with some Orochi-related jutsu lifted from Orochimaru, would end up being the final fight for the manga.
Of course, this is assuming that, with Itachi dead, Sasuke really doesn't have anything else left to do than "prove his superiority" by fighting Naruto again, and trying to get a concise victory. The way this manga is going, who the hell knows? :lol :lol
CrushDance
Banned
Not enough on it yet! But I'm cooking up the idea of a Byakugan and Rinnnegan one though!Kintaro said:
@This chapter: WTFFFFFFF And you guys say Kubno has bad writing? I can't believe Itachi went out like that. I mean I kind of felt that Sasuke wouldn't really ever get his revenge and or if he did kill Itachi it'd be revealed later that he was a good guy. This is BS.
Saving Sasuke's ass 24/7.
Mefisutoferesu
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You know, why couldn't Itachi and Sasuke just trade eyeballs? In fact, why wasn't that simply a rite of passage for those who gained the mangekyou? Would have saved a lot of clan members. Also, Sasuke not getting to kill Itachi is perfect. It completely underminds everything he does and makes a mockery of all his past actions. It's a knife in the heart of Sasuke, tragedy breads tragedy. Next up would be him finding out Sakura likes Naruto now. Lose everything he could possibly lose. Still, though, pretty wimp way for Itachi to go, considering all the super jutsu they just pulled out of their bums.
CrushDance
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Nope, it requires the death of the other user in order for it to work. Secondly they both need to have MS, Itachi could have taken his eyes at any time then earlier on, but he didn't. he specifically mentioned that Sasuke needs MS in the battle.Mefisutoferesu said:
Madara and his brother both posses the MS.
Mefisutoferesu
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OH, so the jutsu requires death as well. I must have missed that. I thought it was just eyeballs.CrushDance said:
Deadly Monk
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Snaku said:
Sasuke will redeem himself, he's already on that path. He hasn't killed one innocent person yet. Kishi has had characters (Orochimaru and Suigetsu) comment on his inability to murder someone on purpose. He'll help his friends in the end and probably sacrifice himself.
But it is nice knowing he didn't win this battle through skill or years of training. He only survived long enough to see Itachi get worn out. Maybe Itachi, with his last breath, tells him to take his eyes? So after all these years of training, he still didn't get MS or become powerful enough to defeat Itachi. Kishi is actually making Sasuke look weak (for a moment).
CrushDance
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This is sad...talk about screwing over your own story with favortism.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Orgen said:
The entire thing points to Bellamy now. No one in One Piece ever dies!
VegaShinra
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Itachi doesn't get defeated by Sasuke, instead he justs exhausted and loses? How can Itachi be defeated along the same lines as Kimiaro? Itachi was supposed to be badass and ends up being beaten by himself pretty much. Sasuke didn't win, but he didn't lose either. He still gets his revenge with the fact that Itachi isn't alive anymore.
The Abominable Snowman
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Well, Orochimaru lives to fight another day, it looks like. Is Itachi really dead, though? The script says he just collapses.
Oh well. I am betting on the newly-freed Orochimaru making Itachi's body his, finally.
Oh well. I am betting on the newly-freed Orochimaru making Itachi's body his, finally.
Snaku said:
I don't see why Oro wouldn't just abuse Sasuke now since he's out. I mean it's a bit of a waste to train the bastard without any return (plus Sasuke's younger). Also I am hugely disappointed in Itachi's exit, mainly because I said it would happen. which is usually an indication to how crappy a manga has become. Another reason is the fact that he's already done it with sasori and kimimaro how many villains does he plan to mess up with cop out endings exits, it's really disappointing.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Snaku said:
Nope. And no one ever dies in One Piece (god dammit Pell!!). Bellamy coming back wouldn't be shocking at all. Plus he is the character who best fits the description of wanting revenge on Luffy, and it would fit the Skypeia parallels that are going on right now.
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