DarkLordMalik
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He is listed as one of the main person behind it, yes. Infact Nawaz Sharif wa on the verge of historial breakthrough with India until Mushraff decided to fuck it all up.
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The Partition of India 70 Years on
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Mr. PlayStation
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I feel the hate that's projected between different religions in India is all media propaganda.
Mr. PlayStation
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So you're comparing Indira Gandhi who brought in autocratic rule for a period of time to someone like Modi?
As for Beef related crimes, it's happening in one part of India, the state of UP that has a ban on Beef. Modi's beef related policies in layman terms is "The man who's the owner of the cow(s), let him get the best price for slaughtering. Currently the cow owner(say a farmer) is given pittance. The middlemen/brokers/liaisons these folks rip off the cow owner. Modi understands farmers are losing out on money, and thus the policy to help farmers benefit. Someone correct me if i am wrong!
All of which happened after World War 2. A war which bankrupted the United Kingdom. The loan from the US, which was on rather unfavourable terms but for which the UK basically had no choice, was finally paid off in 2006.
Don't get me wrong. there was certainly a change of heart regarding Empire after WW2, but if the UK had been able to hang on to the colonies they would have. But the reality was that they could not. Hell, for a decade after WW2 they couldn't even feed their own people. Rationing ended in 1954.
Earthbound64
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Yes, and I taught them as well.
But the US has done much, much, MUCH more than that.
That's my point.
Vivalaraza
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This is a truly fascinating part of the world, such a deep and rich history and a really interesting future ahead too.
My dad is Indian, born in what was then and is now India. My mum is Pakistani...but she was born in what was then East Pakistan and is now Bangladesh. Her family were kicked out of Bangladesh so she settled in India, but most of her family fled to Pakistan. Parts of my dads family also migrated to Pakistan during partition.
So I have a link to the entire region...but I'm left feeling unattached to any one "country". Ironically I'd say I'm "British" before anything else (born here)...and yet it was Britain who caused so much of the distress in the subcontinent.
It makes me really sad to see how Pakistan is struggling these days. Back in the 90s when I used to visit both, both countries appeared to be level pegging with bright futures ahead of them. It's hard to see Pakistan's way back now...although the increasing influence of the Chinese in Pakistan gives them a real opportunity (and increases the tensions between China/India).
This is a cool thread with lots of interesting stories/takes. Thanks.
This Mihir Bose article on the increasing lack of tolerance in India was a sobering read (and sadly...some first hand evidence of it in this thread
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/02/70-years-independence-india-mumbai
My dad is Indian, born in what was then and is now India. My mum is Pakistani...but she was born in what was then East Pakistan and is now Bangladesh. Her family were kicked out of Bangladesh so she settled in India, but most of her family fled to Pakistan. Parts of my dads family also migrated to Pakistan during partition.
So I have a link to the entire region...but I'm left feeling unattached to any one "country". Ironically I'd say I'm "British" before anything else (born here)...and yet it was Britain who caused so much of the distress in the subcontinent.
It makes me really sad to see how Pakistan is struggling these days. Back in the 90s when I used to visit both, both countries appeared to be level pegging with bright futures ahead of them. It's hard to see Pakistan's way back now...although the increasing influence of the Chinese in Pakistan gives them a real opportunity (and increases the tensions between China/India).
This is a cool thread with lots of interesting stories/takes. Thanks.
This Mihir Bose article on the increasing lack of tolerance in India was a sobering read (and sadly...some first hand evidence of it in this thread
)https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/02/70-years-independence-india-mumbai
Maybe I'm ignorant, but I felt most of the major atrocities/faults US has committed as nation throughout History was taught.
We had the treatment of Native Americans, Slave Owners/Plantations, Internment Camps in WW2, Vietnam War, Bay of Pigs, Destabalizing Iran, and tbh I'm probably missing a few other things I was taught during high school because it's been so long.
US has committed other faults, but your point made it seem like it refused to teach any faults in history.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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Christ that thread is full of monsters
Firstly Loyalist, I was being glib. Secondly, would you ever stop derailing threads with your uber-British patriotic shite?!
The British did try and save their empire for many years after WWII. Malaya and Aden for starters.
Squirrel Killer
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He took two young boys out on a boat, did he? Seems from another young boy on the boat that was lucky enough to survive the terrorist attack, he had actually taken his daughter, son-in-law, their twin sons, his son-in-law's mother, and a friend of the twins. On a 30 foot boat.
Agreed, I know relatively little about the partition of India and I'm thankful for everyone here contributing to help give me a clear picture of what happened and how it affects India, Pakistan and Bangladesh today.
Also, the poster comparing Gibraltar to the Falklands is totally wrong, we annexed Gibraltar whilst the Falklands had no indigenous population.
Interestingly I just video chatted with a friend of mine in Karachi and she told me her husband moved to China to start a business there. Never seen a Pakistani speak Mandarin before, lol.
NyMartin90
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Here's a new article that CNN put out on the legacy of Partition
I saw some mentions of Musharraf on the past few pages. I find it interesting that my family in Pakistan really liked him. They liked some of his ambiguous claims of whether the blasphemy law was legitimate.
Also one of the best times I saw him was in an interview he took in India in 2009. There were tons of Indians who asked him questions and he answered pretty well in my perspective. He also talks rationally about partition and moving forward. I think he gets to that round part 4 & 5
Part 1- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrPV-qIyk_k
Part 2- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kinIWT7b14g
Part 3- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eIxkGiCPuI
Part 4- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLnKhJqP5Cc
I saw some mentions of Musharraf on the past few pages. I find it interesting that my family in Pakistan really liked him. They liked some of his ambiguous claims of whether the blasphemy law was legitimate.
Also one of the best times I saw him was in an interview he took in India in 2009. There were tons of Indians who asked him questions and he answered pretty well in my perspective. He also talks rationally about partition and moving forward. I think he gets to that round part 4 & 5
Part 1- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrPV-qIyk_k
Part 2- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kinIWT7b14g
Part 3- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eIxkGiCPuI
Part 4- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLnKhJqP5Cc
NyMartin90
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The Taliban took over before Musharraf had the coup or was even the Chief of Army Staff. That was more during the tenure of Benazir's government. Pakistan did support Hekmatyar originally but then threw its support under the Taliban. Benazir's government supported them and saw them as a way to get rid of anti-Pakistan sentiment in the country while also stabilizing the country.
Silent Chief
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The largest Indo-Canadian group are the Sikh, the ones who didn't get their own country and only account for 1.7% of the population of India.
Gabriel_Logan
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Okay that thread is super interesting. You have specific posters who would not be caught dead saying anything positive about colonialism and the British empire in 2017 taking a softer position. Its crazy how much has changed in 2 years.
I see. Most Afghans I know dislike Pakistan and Pakistanis, even the ones that lived in Pakistan.
StrategyFan
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you can find many personal anecdotes of this at: http://www.1947partitionarchive.org/
i think they're basically trying to record the experiences of people who actually lived through it while some of them are still alive
i think they're basically trying to record the experiences of people who actually lived through it while some of them are still alive
Unknown Soldier
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I didn't know anything about this bit of history. Thanks for making this thread.
NyMartin90
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Happy Independence Pakistan! and tomorrow India!
East 101 episode about the partition (Al Jazeera English):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbHMCWbwOKM&list=PLzGHKb8i9vTyyefrSwaJ5qEmwub4jF1H6
Sick to hear that apparently British journalists, who also covered the holocaust, thought that the events that happened in the partition were worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbHMCWbwOKM&list=PLzGHKb8i9vTyyefrSwaJ5qEmwub4jF1H6
Sick to hear that apparently British journalists, who also covered the holocaust, thought that the events that happened in the partition were worse.