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The Star Wars Fan Edit Thread of Making the Prequel Trilogy Watchable

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Anth0ny

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So, after watching the 70 minute review of TPM, I'm pretty sure I can't go back to watching the entire Prequel Trilogy, let alone TPM.

A buddy refered me to something known as "The Phantom Edit". It's basically Episode 1 minus Jar Jar, Midichlorians and redundancy in general. After viewing this version of the movie (DON'T ASK ME FOR A LINK), I think it's safe to say that I will be burning my Phantom Menace DVD very soon.

After doing a bit more research, it turns out that there's a whole movie editing community dedicated not only to making the Star Wars prequels watchable, but other movies watchable (READ: Transformers 2 and Spider Man 3. Holy fucking shit)

But let's stick to Star Wars for now:

Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Edit

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Original Runtime : 133 min
New Runtime : 115 min

Amount of time Cut/Added : 18 min cut

Cuts removed/added/extended :

* removing or re-editing most scenes featuring Jar-Jar Binks
* limiting redundant exposition throughout film
* trimming reiteration of the politics
* re-arranged shots and scenes matching original trilogy presentation style
* removing “Yippee” and “Oops” from young Anakin’s dialog in order to make him a stronger character

Conceptual improvements/advancements of edit over original:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Star Wars Episode I.I – The Phantom Edit is a fan edit of the movie Star Wars Episode I – The Phantom Menace, removing elements of the original thought by some to be unsuccessful by critics and adult fans. The purpose of the edit, according to creator Mike J. Nichols, was to make a much stronger version of The Phantom Menace based on the previous execution and philosophies of film storytelling and editing made famous by George Lucas himself. The Phantom Edit was the first unauthorized re-edit of The Phantom Menace to receive major publicity and acclaim for making the film appreciably better, and although many other re-editing attempts followed, the original Phantom Edit is still highly regarded as a successful exercise of professional and artistic narrative film editing.

Source.

Star Wars Episode 2: Attack Of The Phantom

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This is the attempt to finally give fans of the famous “Phantom Edits” the missing third episode. This is “Revenge of the Phantom”

Original Runtime : 142 min
New Runtime : 104 min

Amount of time Cut/Added : 38 min cut

Cuts removed/added/extended :
lots and lots of cuts and tweaks.

Conceptual improvements/advancements of edit over original:
“As before, I do not wish this to be viewed as an attack on the motion picture
industry, an allegiance with motion picture piracy or even an attack on artist’s
right.

My “proactive criticism” is aimed only at one filmmaker – George Lucas.

For years Mr Lucas practiced the re-editing of other director’s works as an act
of “proactive criticism” suggesting changes where he felt the director had gone
off page from the original storytelling …

…And he did so by re-editing his own version of the director’s film. Hmmmm …
Sound familiar?

So please let the entire contents of the DVD serve as my proactive criticism of
where I feel George Lucas has gone off page – not only with the storytelling
integrity of this film, but the integrity of a beloved piece of film history.

Note: no profit is generated from the creation of this DVD … And let’s keep it
that way!

-the phantom editor”

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Revenge of the Sith – The Spence Edit

The Phantom Editor, responsible for the first 2 edits, has not done an episode III edit. Regardless, this one is fantastic.

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Original Runtime :140 min
New Runtime :120 min

Amount of time Cut/Added :
*there's lots, click the source link below*

Conceptual improvements/advancements of edit over original:

I still consider The Phantom Edit and Attack of the Phantom to be the pinnacles of the fanediting idea. Sure, maybe it’s not the best picture/sound quality, but in terms of greatly improving a film, he nailed it on both accounts. Yet, he never did an Episode III edit. There have been some other edits, sure, but none of them really have that feel that his films have. Most prequel edits seem to come to a place of either hatred for the film or over-appreciation of the film, and tend to be unbalanced (this isn’t all of them, and its just my opinion.) Frankly, I haven’t found an ROTS edit that I feel I can put next to those Phantom Editor versions.

So I tried to use his principals and points of view to create a Revenge of the Sith edit I could watch along with Phantom Editor’s prior versions. It won’t feel exactly like a Phantom Editor edit of course, as it’s from my point of view which will always be different, and also he is a much better editor than me. But I feel like I can watch this version and confidently enjoy the film.

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BONUS:

There is a fantastic edit of A New Hope out there.

"BUT ANH WAS FLAWLESS! IT NEEDS NO EDIT!"

True. But what this fan has done to the film is truly spectacular. It's everything the Special Edition should have been. Less extra CG bullshit on Tatooine and Han not shooting first, and more fixing continuity errors. Check it out:

STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 Special Edition REVISITED

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VISUAL CHANGES PART 1
VISUAL CHANGES PART2

Faneditor’s comment:

I have to admit that i have always liked the special editions of the original trilogy, with a few minor niggles of course, so i was so excited when the 2004 DVD release was announced. I waited in line at midnight, got my box set and raced home to watch them. switched on my cinema system (luckily the neighbours were away) , loaded the DVD and prepared to be blown away. Then the film started and my face dropped. What the hell have they done to the surround mix? OMG Luke’s saber is green & Darth’s is pink. I thought these editions would have been better than my old VHS ones. Yes the picture quality is far superior but the new faults just plain ruined them for me. So I decided that the original trilogy DVD’s need fixing but just never got round to doing it until i was amazed by the ADigitalMan/ Darth Editous Hybrid DVD . I loved it so much i wanted to make my own.

Additional comment:

Star Wars for the 21st Century. Two years in the making, this fan edit was created by a fan for the fans.
“Star Wars: Revisited represents perhaps the boldest and most sophisticated of any of the fan edits of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope. Inspired by the Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition, fan editor Adywan has created a breathtaking and powerful version of the film. Star Wars: Revisited not only fixes errors and technical limitations to the film that should have been made in the first Special Edition, but gives us a whole new vision for the movie, tying it to the rest of the Star Wars saga while correcting many of the excesses of the original Special Edition. Shots are re-mastered and restored, special effect shots are re-composited and whole new sequences are created, giving the viewer a taste of what the Special Edition could have been. Accompanied by a new Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack, Star Wars: Revisited provides an exciting new visit to a galaxy far, far away.” synopsis by Sluggo – Originaltrilogy.com

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They are all awesome. George, take some fucking notes.
 
I'm still waiting for a version of the original trilogy, as shown in the theaters, with good sound and anamorphic picture.

I'm never going to get that, am I?
 

Spire

Subconscious Brolonging
Skiptastic said:
I'm still waiting for a version of the original trilogy, as shown in the theaters, with good sound and anamorphic picture.

I'm never going to get that, am I?

Maybe with the blu-ray release. The DVD Star Wars release was one huge "fuck you" to the fans from Lucas, that shit still pisses me off.
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
It's going to be sad when Lucas cuts his head off and drinks a Mai Tai from his skull..

OgTheClever said:
But I liked Jar Jar Binks when I was 9 and the film came out...

oh god.. I feel old as shit
 

Reza_Neko

Member
Glad they're editing out most scenes that feature Jar Jar Binks. His slapstick comedy isn't funny; it's annoying. The same thing can be said about his voice.
 
Skiptastic said:
I'm still waiting for a version of the original trilogy, as shown in the theaters, with good sound and anamorphic picture.

I'm never going to get that, am I?
laserdisc dvd transfers ftw
 

adg1034

Member
Those visual comparisons for A New Hope look stunning. Also, unbelievably time-intensive. Here's hoping the new stuff stacks up in motion.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
The Spence edit cuts out the Yoda/Palpatine fight >:-(

I know it was redundant, but it was FREAKING YODA FIGHTING THE EMPEROR.
The yoda fights were both useless (dooku and emperor). Yoda comes in, fights both, and nothing happens that affects anything. Deserve to be cut for plot uselessness.
 

Aruarian Reflection

Chauffeur de la gdlk
layzie1989 said:
terrible website, jesus fucking christ. all i want to know is how to get them, which took some digging

Yeah it took me a minute or so to find the link, it was buried in there. On the positive side, they introduced me to JDownloader, which is an awesome program. Downloading the A New Hope Revisited through megaupload now.
 
elrechazao said:
The yoda fights were both useless (dooku and emperor). Yoda comes in, fights both, and nothing happens that affects anything. Deserve to be cut for plot uselessness.

Yea, but it happens to be the only thing in the movie worth watching. When that fight came, thats when I was like, "Finally, something cool"

Especially for somone who watched the movies in episode sequence, like me.
 
elrechazao said:
The yoda fights were both useless (dooku and emperor). Yoda comes in, fights both, and nothing happens that affects anything. Deserve to be cut for plot uselessness.
I don't care that they're useless plot-wise, they were cool. I'd honestly watch Yoda fighting for ninety minutes if I could. I'd marathon it with River Tam Fights Everybody.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
I don't care that they're useless plot-wise, they were cool. I'd honestly watch Yoda fighting for ninety minutes if I could. I'd marathon it with River Tam Fights Everybody.
you both need to read the other star wars thread and watch that review on why lightsaber duels were better in the original movies.

Shit looking cool is why these movies sucked on all 4 cylinders.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
The Spence edit cuts out the Yoda/Palpatine fight >:-(

I know it was redundant, but it was FREAKING YODA FIGHTING THE EMPEROR.
This. Honestly, it was one of the highlights of ROTS. I hope he cut out that lizard thing Obi Wan rides.
 
elrechazao said:
The yoda fights were both useless (dooku and emperor). Yoda comes in, fights both, and nothing happens that affects anything. Deserve to be cut for plot uselessness.
It still looked fucking amazing. =(
 
silverbullet1080 said:
It still looked fucking amazing. =(
So did the pod race, the people of kamino, jar jar's cgi, the gungan army, and every other piece of garbage that ruined these movies.

I'll repeat: "but it looks so cool" is exactly the reason these movies sucked.
 
elrechazao said:
you both need to read the other star wars thread and watch that review on why lightsaber duels were better in the original movies.

Shit looking cool is why these movies sucked on all 4 cylinders.
The movies sucked because George Lucas had nobody around to tell him no. He essentially surrounded himself with "yes" men then proceeded to take away what made up half the fun of Star Wars - the mystery.

Spaceship shenanigans, armies on the march and non-human characters were all part of the series beforehand, but where these things had a mystique about them, the prequels made them in-your-face and gave them retarded backstories or reasons they should be in the story. Compare Chewbacca to Jar Jar Binks, for instance.
 

Kettch

Member
The ANH edit looks very cool in pictures. Only 1 in that entire first set that I'd disagree with, which is pretty impressive. I'll have to give the video a try.
 

Snaku

Banned
The only one of those I've seen is Star Wars Revisited, and it is my preferred cut of the film to watch now. It really is an incredible piece of work and makes the Special Edition look down right impotent.
 

KevinCow

Banned
elrechazao said:
So did the pod race, the people of kamino, jar jar's cgi, the gungan army, and every other piece of garbage that ruined these movies.

I'll repeat: "but it looks so cool" is exactly the reason these movies sucked.

That's fucking bullshit. The horrible story, writing, and acting are what killed the prequel trilogy. The action scenes had nothing to do with it. The action was the one thing they actually got right.

And the idea that the original trilogy's stiff and boring lightsaber duels were in any way superior to the prequel trilogy's is laughable. In fact, saying that "looking cool" is an any way a bad quality for an action scene to have is laughable. They're ACTION SCENES. Looking cool is pretty much the ENTIRE POINT.
 

legend166

Member
KevinCow said:
That's fucking bullshit. The horrible story, writing, and acting are what killed the prequel trilogy. The action scenes had nothing to do with it. The action was the one thing they actually got right.

And the idea that the original trilogy's stiff and boring lightsaber duels were in any way superior to the prequel trilogy's is laughable. In fact, saying that "looking cool" is an any way a bad quality for an action scene to have is laughable. They're ACTION SCENES. Looking cool is pretty much the ENTIRE POINT.


you don't get it.
 
elrechazao said:
So did the pod race, the people of kamino, jar jar's cgi, the gungan army, and every other piece of garbage that ruined these movies.

I'll repeat: "but it looks so cool" is exactly the reason these movies sucked.
Not really. The pod race is fine if slimmed down, but the people of Kamino, Jar Jar and the Gungan army were all unimpressive from an action, cgi and writing perspective. The Yoda parts were fine and took nothing away from the movie and only added some good action.
 
Really excited to check these out. I realized about a week ago I have a great deal of love for Episode 1. I love that terrible movie.

KevinCow said:
Explain it to me then. How is having good action scenes in a space opera a bad thing?
Fixed.
 

Anth0ny

Member
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:lol

I do agree that the Yoda vs. Emperor fight was cool, but when I read what the editer had to say:

- NO PALPATING YODA FIGHT. Yoda, in my Star Wars world, does not flip around like a monkey with a lightsaber. The only time he uses his saber is to behead the two clone troopers that were going to try and kill him. I like the idea that he uses all his strength to do that, but thats about all he’s capable of at his age.

I would have to agree.
 

NotWii

Banned
Episode IV Recut is pretty much what I hoped Lucas was going to do with the 2004 editions, instead we got oversaturated Star Wars
Though some of the recut changes are dubious

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Eugh...

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Really now? But Greedo's frown is neccesary?
 
I've seen the Star Wars Revisited cut and while there is some hardcore stuff in there, including all new CG scenes, there are moments in the new cut where I felt it was overkill. Like the new cut of the Obi-Wan vs Vader fight which also now includes prequel music that stands out a lot. Worth seeing but there's a couple things I just wish he left alone.

On a different note, is there a link to info on this Transformer 2 cut? I'm curious how someone could make that watchable.
 

Decado

Member
I haven't seen these new cuts (surprised they'd be allowed to make or letalone sell them).

That said...I don't get some of these comments. Why are good action scenes a bad thing in a "space opera"? Space opera's should have shitty action scenes because...
 

devilhawk

Member
Decado said:
I haven't seen these new cuts (surprised they'd be allowed to make or letalone sell them).

That said...I don't get some of these comments. Why are good action scenes a bad thing in a "space opera"? Space opera's should have shitty action scenes because...
Who ever said they were good? Excessively choreographed and emotionless action doesn't make it good. Especially if there is no plot relevance.
 

Gilby

Member
What I think is wrong with the prequels (especially Phantom Menace):
George Lucas tried to turn Star Wars into sci-fi (midichloreans, politics, etc.). Star Wars is a fantasy (knights, evil wizard, magic, etc.).
 
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