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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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DarthMasta
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It's a game of chicken where each side thinks they're a train and the other side is a.. reliant robin? The collision is going to be spectacular...
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
One side knows it is a train, the other thinks it.
jimbobsmells
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Rats fleeing a sinking ship?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...y-another-resignation-as-strategy-chief-quits
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...y-another-resignation-as-strategy-chief-quits
Psychotext
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NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN RAAAHHHGGGGGG.... BRITAIN RULES THE WAVES.
MAKE INGURLAND GREAT AGAIN!
MAKE INGURLAND GREAT AGAIN!
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Dumbkirk truly is a brilliant name for Brexit.
Kate Hoey tweeting Breitbart articles
https://twitter.com/KateHoeyMP/status/890193989181349890
Then moaning she getting hate
https://twitter.com/KateHoeyMP/status/890193989181349890
Then moaning she getting hate
Unless they are to fix it by concluding that the EU labor isn't required.
Some anti-EU stuff, some fear and some Diana; yep, that's the Express alright.
Royal_Phalanx
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Theresa May will just edit the report to remove stuff she doesn't like.
As I've said consistently, there's no solution.
When the EU talks about innovative solutions to the Irish border this is what they've been talking about. When the UK talks about innovative solutions they're talking about unicorns and gold commodes.
The evidence by given to the commons Future of the land border with the Republic of Ireland inquiry was pretty clear.
Wouldn't this be a good thing? A part of the British state being inside the customs union? Open up economic opportunities for Northern Ireland allowing companies to have the best of both?
(I appreciate my naivety is through the roof on this)
Economically yes, but the idea of a border between NI and the UK would make the unionists in NI explode with rage.
Ah right, yes. Knew I was missing something
Funky Papa
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I don't follow.
I mean, that Tweet. I really feel like I'm missing something. Maybe I'm a bit thicker today.
I mean, that Tweet. I really feel like I'm missing something. Maybe I'm a bit thicker today.
JonathanEx
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JonnyDBrit
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I believe it's British romanticism imagining the entirety of the Isles as a single economic area, as though the Republic of Ireland wasn't, you know, the Republic of Ireland.
The only reason we're a 'single customs area' right now is because there is a larger body in which we can co-exist as partners. There's no political will for forming a mini-union that would once again explicitly tie Irish political policy to British policy. They were quite vocal about this almost a century ago.
British Isles are the England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Ireland. Hannan, the thinker of the brexiter crew, thinks that magically Ireland, should just be in some form of Customs Union with the UK, just like the days of empire.
That's sort of critical thinking, nostalgia ,and British exceptionalism informing the Brexit vote.
Funky Papa
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Phillips Hammond has announced that Britain will seek a transitional deal for up to three years after Britain's official exit in 2019, which will see continued freedom of movement, access to the single market, etc.
I find myself agreeing with the Maltese PM. Brexit won't happen.
I find myself agreeing with the Maltese PM. Brexit won't happen.
Excuse my ignorance but what would the likely repercussions be if this came to pass? The DUP would withdraw support for the Tories obviously, but other than pissing off the unionists what could they actually do about it?
CyclopsRock
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Won't that be like when you hear a football team being sold for £1 because they're saddled with £150m of debt (and 14 charges of gross negligence and kiddy-diddling to lawyer up for)?
It's not like we're not already on course to do that with Brexit anyway.
Unsurprisingly the Government is already ruling that out. But they're not offering any other solutions to the border problem beyond magic tech wizardry that will obviously be up and running in 18 months time.
The DUP, meanwhile, are offering the helpful suggestion that Ireland leaves the EU instead.
The DUP, meanwhile, are offering the helpful suggestion that Ireland leaves the EU instead.
Sephiroth503
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Have to laugh at that "change in tone from Dublin" in the article. Did the UK think we were on their side in these negotiations?
Inland border will be a disaster.
Inland border will be a disaster.
Surely the actual "logistically easier" decision is to just not do Brexit?
Hannan is such a bellend :lol
Funky Papa
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This Ian Paisley fellow needs to get a grip. I know the DUP inhabits its own plane of existence, but thinking that Ireland will exit the EU and side with the UK to join a customs union is so delusional I have to wonder if they are playing the electorate or if they really believe it.
Then again, the Tory intelligentsia seems to think along the same lines...
Then again, the Tory intelligentsia seems to think along the same lines...
Loads of the Brexiteers are still clinging to the idea that the EU is a dying institution and the UK leaving will be the first of many. Its a necessary delusion to make the decision to leave seem remotely rational
I would have to say the latter. As someone who's Irish and Who has lived here for most of my life, any thought of Ireland leaving the EU is a complete non-starter. The amount of farmers, businesses, schools, colleges, hospitals, ect. that rely on the EU or people from the EU is simply a good reason on it's own for people to stay within the EU. Not only that, but out of all of the political parties that are in the Dáil (Irish Parliament), only one seems to have an anti-EU view (Solidarity Party), and even then, they be talked down, or rather shouted down by the nationalist party of the Country Sinn Fein, believe it or not, as they're Pro-EU to the nth degree.
My Feeling is that they, and every other extreme Breexiteer, are still believing that this will be the end of the EU, despite several Elections and numerous polls saying that the EUs become more integrated as a result of Brexit. It's not happening.
I mean, the EU was in a bit of trouble, but thanks to the Brexiteers and Donald Trump at least some people are starting to realise leaving the EU is not all that desirable.
Pancake Mix
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Everyone should have seen this would be the Irish government's position a year ago. It's about as workable a position as the DUP's too.
Catholics will (possibly) outnumber Protestants in the 2021 census, but you're assuming 1:1 voting. The reality is that what the English taxpayer can provide (universal health care, general spending above the Republic and the mainland) is not something the Irish taxpayer would be willing to provide just to 2 million people in Northern Ireland. Additionally, Sinn Fein in particular clings to the past with what they consider "heroes", which rubs a lot of people the wrong way, as it should. People have complex motivations and are not going to vote 1:1 based on what community they are in, especially now.
Also, just hypothetically to win that border poll, the national anthem of Ireland would probably have to change, as would the flag which has come to represent something other than its original intention. Ireland rejoining the Commonwealth? Probably not. What other compromises would the Republic be willing to make? Federalism and the continuation of the NI Assembly? Probably not.
Catholics will (possibly) outnumber Protestants in the 2021 census, but you're assuming 1:1 voting. The reality is that what the English taxpayer can provide (universal health care, general spending above the Republic and the mainland) is not something the Irish taxpayer would be willing to provide just to 2 million people in Northern Ireland. Additionally, Sinn Fein in particular clings to the past with what they consider "heroes", which rubs a lot of people the wrong way, as it should. People have complex motivations and are not going to vote 1:1 based on what community they are in, especially now.
Also, just hypothetically to win that border poll, the national anthem of Ireland would probably have to change, as would the flag which has come to represent something other than its original intention. Ireland rejoining the Commonwealth? Probably not. What other compromises would the Republic be willing to make? Federalism and the continuation of the NI Assembly? Probably not.
It's completely irrational delusion. I was talking to a Leave over recently, in Australia of all places, and he seemed to think if the EU was too harsh with the divorce bill the EU citizens would rise in anger.
I put it to him that since they'd be the beneficiary of the bill, why would they be unhappy at all. I think I saw his brain break as he tried to imagine things from their perspective, but to his credit he at least admitted he hadn't considered it from that perspective.
Theonik
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I'm not assuming catholics will all vote to join the republic hence I am saying at least a decade. Demographics indicate it is inevitable, it's not really a rational choice either, and you are making a few key assumptions about what the English taxpayer is willing to offer NI in the long run, hell the way things are going the NHS is not long for this world in England NI won't be spared from that.
As for the national anthem and flag those are probably non-issues on both sides. Some vocal minorities might complain but will be footnotes in this kind of thing.
Pancake Mix
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Demographics indicate less now than they used to. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-37309706
The Tories can't even get a majority anymore except once by some fluke. Them forced to rule with other parties when in power and a resurgent Labour that's more left than it has been since the 1980's means that nothing is certain regarding health care and its demise.
Not really making assumptions either. Higher public spending per person outside of England has been the norm for ages. We're talking about territories equating to only 15-16 percent of the population which makes that easier.
You've got to be joking....
Theonik
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Tories don't need to do much to kill the NHS just stay in power long enough. Their plans to starve the beast are working and anyone who takes over after them will have a very hard time fixing it. This isn't a Scotland independence situation really either. Many people wanted to stay in the union because they thought that was better for them there is also demographic consideration as well as allowing EU citizens to vote, for NI the nature of Brexit will play a very big part. I think NI is more keen to join the republic than take whatever damage comes from Brexit/a hard ROI border. But that's over time.
Pancake Mix
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Everything points to Northern Ireland not being keen on that at all. You have virtually every one of the 44 percent who voted leave and a good chunk of the remainers who wouldn't be keen on that. The leave areas are also generally further from the border.
Camp Freddie
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People lile Boris's 'guru' saying the y2k bug is nothing should be banned from using computers.
It's only because of massive efforts that nothing major happened.
FYI I just found a millennium bug in a major international risk assessment model. It uses 20th century data to do 21st century assessments so it thinks it's a day earlier or later than it really is.
Seems like no one noticed it, or kept their mouths shut because it is too much hassle to fix and currently underestimates risk (slightly) in almost all scenarios. Fortunately the model is conservative as hell, or we'd be in the shit.
I also assume guru is meant in the sense that he is completely disconnected from reality and ensnares rich fools into trusting their spurious ideological bullshit.
It's only because of massive efforts that nothing major happened.
FYI I just found a millennium bug in a major international risk assessment model. It uses 20th century data to do 21st century assessments so it thinks it's a day earlier or later than it really is.
Seems like no one noticed it, or kept their mouths shut because it is too much hassle to fix and currently underestimates risk (slightly) in almost all scenarios. Fortunately the model is conservative as hell, or we'd be in the shit.
I also assume guru is meant in the sense that he is completely disconnected from reality and ensnares rich fools into trusting their spurious ideological bullshit.
Roberto Larcos
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A united Ireland is a pipe dream. Peace was only 20 years ago - it's still too soon. The wounds are still fresh, the rhetoric can still be ramped up at the drop of a slogan.
The best possible thing to do - if you want a united Ireland - is to wait. Do not antagonise, do not inflame. Appreciate the peace - we take it for granted, but it was hard fought. As with Scottish independence, wait for the demographic shifts to take effect. Learn from Scotland and Quebec: pushing too hard too soon doesn't work.
The best possible thing to do - if you want a united Ireland - is to wait. Do not antagonise, do not inflame. Appreciate the peace - we take it for granted, but it was hard fought. As with Scottish independence, wait for the demographic shifts to take effect. Learn from Scotland and Quebec: pushing too hard too soon doesn't work.
PdotMichael
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And still 44% in NI voted to leave the EU. What exactly were they thinking would happen with them in the post EU world?
Theonik
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People in the border who are affected overwhelmingly voted to remain problem is the rest of NI is largely populated with twats.
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