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[RefigeKru]

Can't believe Farage gets to enjoy this. Did people forget UKIP already?

edit: i know the answer. Loads of racists in the country, if not racists, bigots, if not bigots, xenophobes, if not xenophobes, ignorant, etc etc... but wow. I always thought this country a bastion of progressive thought and 'tolerance'. Guess our racists are just more polite.

 

[CharmingCharlie]

Just trying to hold out some kind of hope for you all across the Atlantic, cousin. It's all I've got.

Yeah fair play to ya. But with all this talk about petitions and not activating Article 50 I think we need to start being realistic about things. The UK's time in the EU is now at an end. Even if by some miracle we found a way to fudge it all and stay our influence in the EU will be so weak and neutered that we would have no sway over things anyway.

If the UK really does want to stay in the EU then we are going to have to give up some of our concessions to do it. At this point I think it would take us giving up all our Veto's and special arrangements for the EU to even consider going "ok you get another chance".

In short if we want to stay we have to become the good little UK of Europe instead of the pain in the arse we have been for the past 43 years ........... yeah that aint happening so best we leave on the best terms we can get.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Like without branding you all racists and xenophobes because of immigration and what not.. What else? Was that it?

The EU body itself.
Not the countries or the people, but the actual institution, it's arrogance and all the red tape that comes with it.
Pig Fucker went to them cap in hand before this mess and asked them to help him out with some benefits he could sell to the UK to avoid brexit and they literally laughed at him and told him to get his pig kissing lips back to Britain.
President Junckers on the eve of voiting goading UK voters by saying Britain would not recieve a better deal than they'd already offered Pig Fucker if they vote stay and if they voted out they'd be treated like "deserters".
(Now that's a loaded phrase that makes one think of "deserters will be shot" and he knows fine well what he was saying with that.)
How does a stay campaigner try and argue against that? How do they say the UK people are being democratically represented?
Racism and Xenophobia are for sure the reason a lot of morons voted stay, but the EU itself was a reason for a lot of others. It sucks and is outdated....it's just a damn shame its the best option available and we're now out.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

UK makes up only part of multinationals' revenues. The UK could tank and stocks like Vodafone do okay. Similarly the UK could be fine but trouble in the Chinese economy causes the 100 to crash because it's full of mining firms who sell loads to China. The 100 isn't a foolproof bellwether for the UK domestic economy.

That's true of everywhere but that also doesn't mean that using the 100 biggest companies in your country is in any way a disingenuous way to look at things... That's beyond absurd.

 

[FunkyMonk]

People think that Obama's "back of the queue" comment was some kind of fuck-you to the UK. It isn't. Obama is just telling people that the UK by itself is not gonna have the same bargaining power as the EU in its entirety. It's not a threat, and the US isn't going go out of its way to fuck the UK over. He's just stating the facts.

So to me it sounds like people are angry that there's any consequences to Brexit at all. It's like just now they're finding out that the UK will *GASP*, actually be disadvantaged in some ways by the exit from the EU.

Yep. The Leave campaign were loudly predicting that we'd get a great trade deal from the US, he simply corrected them and yet again the Leave campaign revealed their ugly side.

 

[nephilimdj]

It's not about just "aligning with US foreign policy" and it's not a threat to simply state the reality of the situation.

The US has just completed the thirteenth round of negotiations over the TTIP, which began in 2013, with the EU. Which the UK will no longer be party to. There shouldn't be any expectation that the UK will suddenly be top of the pile and that it's a quick and easy process to get a trade deal with the US, when by itself, as an export market it's similar to like a Hong Kong or Brazil than the remaining EU bloc. Which was one of the many falsehoods that Leave proponents put forward about the place of the UK in the world if they left.

Revel in the newfound further reduced relevance.

No reason UK could not be added to the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement, leaving EU means APEC is available

 

[D i Z]

People think that Obama's "back of the queue" comment was some kind of fuck-you to the UK. It isn't. Obama is just telling people that the UK by itself is not gonna have the same bargaining power as the EU in its entirety. It's not a threat, and the US isn't going go out of its way to fuck the UK over. He's just stating the facts.

So to me it sounds like people are angry that there's any consequences to Brexit at all. It's like just now they're finding out that the UK will *GASP*, actually be disadvantaged in some ways by the exit from the EU.

Imperialistic aspersions nostalgia and ideals are a real bitch when reality comes crashes through the front window.

 

[The Adder]

People think that Obama's "back of the queue" comment was some kind of fuck-you to the UK. It isn't. Obama is just telling people that the UK by itself is not gonna have the same bargaining power as the EU in its entirety. It's not a threat, and the US isn't going go out of its way to fuck the UK over. He's just stating the facts.

So to me it sounds like people are angry that there's any consequences to Brexit at all. It's like just now they're finding out that the UK will *GASP*, actually be disadvantaged in some ways by the exit from the EU.

I he really wanted to make a threat of it, he could have just told the truth:

We will fuck you over the negotiation table, and you will take it with a smile. Why? Because your position is severely weakened. As it stands, Ireland's now our best in with the EU. You no longer have anyone watching your backs when it comes to trade. And, and here's the big one, you need trading partners, and the EU's probably going to be out for your blood. They need to make an example of you to keep anyone else from doing what you did, so you know you're not getting any sweetheart deals from them.

 

[BKK]

That's a laugh coming from a leaver.

Why? We just have a different opinion of how we should work together.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

It won't be protecting the EU if we stop buying German cars and French wine because the EU behave like the Remainers (sulky and pissy).

It's in the best interests of both parties to remain cordial for business.

People are voting against the EU having so much reach into our laws etc.
They aren't saying they hate the French and the Germans and won't buy any more of their products.

I don't think French wine and German cars are the most popular products amongst leavers, especially in the north.

 

[Damerman]

No reason UK could not be added to the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement, leaving EU means APEC is available

Yeah, but now that it is its own entity, it has to have seperate negotiations to cater to the UK's own ideosyncracies. With the EU, the trade agreement would have been standard across all of europe.


Edit: ok, you must have edited because i did not see that part about APEC when i quoted you. UK is nowhere near the Pacific ocean, how the fuck would it be party to that agreement?

 

[RefigeKru]

The EU body itself.
Not the countries or the people, but the actual institution, it's arrogance and all the red tape that comes with it.
Pig Fucker went to them cap in hand before this mess and asked them to help him out with some benefits he could sell to the UK to avoid brexit and they literally laughed at him and told him to get his pig kissing lips back to Britain.
President Junckers on the eve of voiting goading UK voters by saying Britain would not recieve a better deal than they'd already offered Pig Fucker if they vote stay and if they voted out they'd be treated like "deserters".
(Now that's a loaded phrase that makes one think of "deserters will be shot" and he knows fine well what he was saying with that.)
How does a stay campaigner try and argue against that? How do they say the UK people are being democratically represented?
Racism and Xenophobia are for sure the reason a lot of morons voted stay, but the EU itself was a reason for a lot of others. It sucks and is outdated....it's just a damn shame its the best option available and we're now out.

Wait, because we weren't given a handout? Because we weren't given preferential treatment and allowed to hold the EU ransom we should just leave?

Is this an honest post? Oh you're not a outtie. You're an innie.

Sorry honestly can't tell after today, the shite I've heard.

 

[FunkyMonk]

No reason UK could not be added to the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

considering quite a few people cited TTIP as a main reason to get out of the EU, and I'm no fan of it, it'd be interesting to see the reactions to such a move.

not that it'll happen, the EU has no incentive to let us join in at such a late stage of negotiations. That's without all the complications such a move would throw up as the terms will have been hammered out between the US and EU with information and regulation flowing through the EU bureaucracy

 

[BKK]

the only thing that slows down an economy are extremes on the laissez fair/socialist spectrum. Being big doesn't slow you down. If anything is true, its that economies of scale is what has brought so much prosperity in developed countries.

Thanks, I mean more with regards to regulation, which seems to become out of date the faster technology evolves.

 

[Breakage]

So have yall seen this. Hates already moving up

http://2goldensnitches.tumblr.com/post/146424995631/vashtijoy-eighteen-hours-later-hate-gets-its

It's all coming out now. This is the shit that powered all those leave votes.Deep down, it's all about making England white again.
I was surprised to see Priti Patel backing vote leave - no idea why a brown person would back the side that attracts racists and nationalists. Makes her look like a fool imo.

 

[BKK]

The Singapore-US FTA took three years of negotiations.
The NZ-China FTA took fifteen rounds of negotiations over three years.
The Australia-US FTA took five rounds of negotiation over a year, but movement began years prior.

I'm trying to find what if any bilateral trade deals the UK is party to. And I can't find any. So, good luck with that.

Thanks, it's a good addition. You won't find any UK ones, as the UK can't have it's own trade deals as part of the EU.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

I'll get those links, but no I'm not asking for the US to fall over itself, just not to threaten the UK people that they will be "at the back of the queue" if they vote on a matter of sovereignty which doesn't precisely allign with US foreign policy.

Anyway, my original point was simply that Obama's statement was probably counter-productive.

I really don't get why telling people from the UK that they don't get to cut in line is a threat. It is simply a fact.

I mean, trade deals are incredibly complex and take an enormous of mount of time and effort. The trade agreements that the US is currently working on will obviously take priority over a British trade deal, especially since the British - US trade isnt comparatively massive. It will happen, but you don't get cutsees just because you are the UK

Though going by the stupidity displayed in this vote I guess we shouldnt be surprised that some people thought that statement was a threat

It's not about just "aligning with US foreign policy" and it's not a threat to simply state the reality of the situation.

The US has just completed the thirteenth round of negotiations over the TTIP, which began in 2013, with the EU. Which the UK will no longer be party to. There shouldn't be any expectation that the UK will suddenly be top of the pile and that it's a quick and easy process to get a trade deal with the US, when by itself, as an export market it's similar to like a Hong Kong or Brazil than the remaining EU bloc. Which was one of the many falsehoods that Leave proponents put forward about the place of the UK in the world if they left.

Revel in the newfound further reduced relevance.

Of course, but there's a difference between stating the facts that trade deals are complex and may take a while, and reading from political propoganda supplied by a domestic political party (would Obama really use Queue instead of line?). It's just a big no no. Even though the whole UK political establishment may be against Trump, they don't get involved. It would be completely against political etiquette for a UK politician to support a partisan policy in the US. It was really considered politically unethical by a great many people in the UK.

To the bold, yes? Queue is a common word here. It's what your favorites on Netflix was called for years.

And overall, you're asking for special favors, BKK. Either the UK gets special favors (by jumping the line) or it gets put at the back. I mean, if y'all were China or something, we'd probably push you up a few spots, but the UK just isn't that relevant. Certainly not more relevant than Southeast Asia or the EU as a whole.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Thanks, it's a good addition. You won't find any UK ones, as the UK can't have it's own trade deals as part of the EU.

And no, I'm not joking. Enjoying having a serious debate.

Yes, my point on the UK having no bilateral trade agreements was basically rhetorical. It's not just the US, it's Mexico, it's Singapore. So the MTI is going to be pretty busy.

The joke part was in reference to the other poster talking about the UK suddenly joining APEC and being party to the TPP (which is not the TTIP, you're probably aware).

 

[Azih]

I he really wanted to make a threat of it, he could have just told the truth:

We will fuck you over the negotiation table, and you will take it with a smile. Why? Because your position is severely weakened. As it stands, Ireland's now our best in with the EU. You no longer have anyone watching your backs when it comes to trade. And, and here's the big one, you need trading partners, and the EU's probably going to be out for your blood. They need to make an example of you to keep anyone else from doing what you did, so you know you're not getting any sweetheart deals from them.

Truth. The UK is small potatoes and has guaranteed itself no leverage over anything. Especially with an incredibly pissed off Scotland and newly restless Northern Ireland intent on taking the U out of the K.

 

[Pancake Mix]

The margin in a country like Japan for a vote about immigration would have been a lot greater than 52 percent against. Ultimately, some countries do vote this way. It was democratic. The result isn't what most of GAF would want, including myself, but it was a free vote on a constitutional matter, and was conducted properly.

 

[Arksy]

The Singapore-US FTA took three years of negotiations.
The NZ-China FTA took fifteen rounds of negotiations over three years.
The Australia-US FTA took five rounds of negotiation over a year, but movement began years prior.

I'm trying to find what if any bilateral trade deals the UK is party to by itself. And I can't find any. So, good luck with that.

That was one of the issues with the EU. It prevented the UK from signing any of its own bilateral trade deals. The UK is a trading nation, it always has been. Deals won't happen overnight but there is a pretty big incentive for the UK to start making deals right away with countries that are dying to do deals with them...such as Australia, India, Canada...etc.

 

[Night Angel]

It's all coming out now. This is the shit that powered all those leave votes.Deep down, it's all about making England white again.
I was surprised to see Priti Patel backing vote leave - no idea why a brown person would back the side that attracts racists and nationalists. Makes her look like a fool imo.

Can't roll my eyes hard enough at this.

 

[Regginator]

Brexit is the right thing. Shut down the whole EU racket. But then again, I'm the type of guy who always goes for the

Spoiler

Dark Age

endings in Deus Ex games.

 

[RedSonja]

What a day, guys! A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. Fortunately, the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom, I suppose?

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Wait, because we weren't given a handout? Because we weren't given preferential treatment and allowed to hold the EU ransom we should just leave?

Is this an honest post? Oh you're not a outtie. You're an innie.

Sorry honestly can't tell after today, the shite I've heard.

There's obviously a lot you can't tell.

 

[The Adder]

It's all coming out now. This is the shit that powered all those leave votes.Deep down, it's all about making England white again.
I was surprised to see Priti Patel backing vote leave - no idea why a brown person would back the side that attracts racists and nationalists. Makes her look like a fool imo.

My friend, let me tell you about a man named Bobby Jindal...

 

[pigeon]

What a day, guys! A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. Fortunately, the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom, I suppose?

Not only was this already posted in this thread, the discussion currently taking place is about how some of it is inaccurate.

 

[FunkyMonk]

That was one of the issues with the EU. It prevented the UK from signing any of its own bilateral trade deals. The UK is a trading nation, it always has been. Deals won't happen overnight but there is a pretty big incentive for the UK to start making deals right away with countries that are dying to do deals with them...such as Australia, India, Canada...etc.

I'm pretty sure that we can't start negotiating with other countries until we're fully out of the EU. I could be wrong as uni was a long time ago but I do remember that coming up in seminars.

 

[foxuzamaki]

So how will this effect us economically in the U.S?

 

[RK9039]

What a day, guys! A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. Fortunately, the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom, I suppose?

Where did you copy+paste that from?

ed: Lmfao, I thought I was mistaken there for a second.

 

[The Adder]

What a day, guys! A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. Fortunately, the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom, I suppose?

You realize that quote that you copy pasted has already been posted and dismantled, right?

 

[AntraxSuicide]

That was one of the issues with the EU. It prevented the UK from signing any of its own bilateral trade deals. The UK is a trading nation, it always has been. Deals won't happen overnight but there is a pretty big incentive for the UK to start making deals right away with countries that are dying to do deals with them...such as Australia, India, Canada...etc.

Are those countries actually dying to do deals with the UK?

And if they are, the terms aren't going to be very good for the UK. The UK is pretty clearly over a barrel here; everyone knows it. Any country coming to the table for a deal knows that they can be pretty aggressive with their terms; it's not like the US or EU are going to turn around and offer some amazing deal to help out. We're out for our own interests, and that doesn't really require you.

 

[oti]

"nonsense"

So you just copy and pasted that UKIP Facebook entry?

 

[Arksy]

I'm pretty sure that we can't start negotiating with other countries until we're fully out of the EU. I could be wrong as uni was a long time ago but I do remember that coming up in seminars.

No, you're right, we're still bound by everything that we were bound by two days ago...but now that we know that we are set to leave the EU, the British Civil Service can at least start planning.

 

[The Adder]

No, you're right, we're still bound by everything that we were bound by two days ago...but now that we know that we are set to leave the EU, the British Civil Service can at least start planning.

See my post about trade.

 

[Toxi]

 

[Arksy]

Are those countries actually dying to do deals with the UK?

And if they are, the terms aren't going to be very good for the UK. The UK is pretty clearly over a barrel here; everyone knows it. Any country coming to the table for a deal knows that they can be pretty aggressive with their terms; it's not like the US or EU are going to turn around and offer some amazing deal to help out. We're out for our own interests, and that doesn't really require you.

I'm not sure you understand the kind of relationship that the UK has with places in The Commonwealth. I can assure you that Australia will just be happy to start negotiating visa arrangements and normalising trade relations with the UK.

 

[RedSonja]

You realize that quote that you copy pasted has already been posted and dismantled, right?

I just wanted you all to read it the way I did - just in case you hadn't! Things are indeed a dreadful and sorry mess.

 

[CheDominik]

Has Kim Jong Un voiced his support for Brexit yet?

 

[Pancake Mix]

I'm not sure you understand the kind of relationship that the UK has with places in The Commonwealth. I can assure you that Australia will just be happy to start negotiating visa arrangements and normalising trade relations with the UK.

I'll echo this. Canada will happily work out a good trade deal with the UK alone, as long as the terms are favourable to Canada as well.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Why do people even care what she says? She hasn't been relevant for ages now.

 

[Breakage]

My friend, let me tell you about a man named Bobby Jindal...

Damn, I just read about him. It's like these people forget their ethnicity.

 

[nephilimdj]

I'm not sure if this is some sort of joke I'm not getting.

Maybe I am just grumpy as people keep repeating reduced relevance, but there are other alliances to join and just used APEC as a example.
UK reliance on Europe only came after the EU was created, I dislike this myth they are now going to be weaker forever.

 

[FunkyMonk]

No, you're right, we're still bound by everything that we were bound by two days ago...but now that we know that we are set to leave the EU, the British Civil Service can at least start planning.

Aye there's nothing stopping them doing some preliminary planning.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Why do people even care what she says? She hasn't been relevant for ages now.

She's one of trumps personal now

 

[Z3K]

People think that Obama's "back of the queue" comment was some kind of fuck-you to the UK. It isn't. Obama is just telling people that the UK by itself is not gonna have the same bargaining power as the EU in its entirety. It's not a threat, and the US isn't going go out of its way to fuck the UK over. He's just stating the facts.

So to me it sounds like people are angry that there's any consequences to Brexit at all. It's like just now they're finding out that the UK will *GASP*, actually be disadvantaged in some ways by the exit from the EU.

The EU itself doesn't have a trade deal with the US and TTIP is a long way from materialising as the EU is too protectionist and regulated for the US taste.

By the way the UK is the US's fifth biggest export market and overall 7th biggest trading partner http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/highlights/top/top1412yr.html

 

[flintstryker]

So um what's the possibility of UK saying it's a just a prank bro and point to the cameras?

 

[sflufan]

So how will this effect us economically in the U.S?

We get to royally bend whatever is left of the UK over the barrel in future trade negotiations!

 

[Arksy]

The EU itself doesn't have a trade deal with the US and TTIP is a long way from materialising as the EU is too protectionist and regulated for the US taste.

By the way the UK is the US's fifth biggest export market and overall 7th biggest trading partner http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/highlights/top/top1412yr.html

The US wanted the UK to stay in the EU to counteract a lot of those protectionist forces in the EU. It's the same reason that non-protectionist countries such as The Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark are lamenting the loss of their strongest ally in EU politics.

 

[aliengmr]

Yeah erm I don't think that matters anymore. On the 23rd of June 17.5 milion Brits burnt the last bridge we had in Europe. It does not matter if in the cold light of day we realise it was a mistake, what matters is we did it.

We are leaving the EU. Even if we have changed our mind now it doesn't matter. The EU have had enough, they don't want us in the EU any more. Now sure we can drag it out as long as we want but that will only make things worse.

Make no mistake after the 23rd it is no longer a question of whether we want to be in the EU. The question now is whether the EU still wants us (and from what I have seen they don't).

Well if it gets to the point where it's no longer political suicide to not leave then they could do that.

What I am hearing is that article 50 is a point of no return. The UK now has time to consider whether or not this deal is beneficial. All I've been hearing is leaving just puts the UK in a slightly worse position than it was before with some immigration controls. Which, as an American, sounds like a lousy deal. And to have "leave" people walking back on the major issues, just hours after the vote, was unexpected.

For their part it seems the EU can't do anything until the UK officially says they want out. They may not like you, but isn't the feeling mutual? Regardless, I get the feeling their sentiment is more that they would actually prefer the UK reconsider and not go through with it, but if you do still want to leave they'll forgo the lube to make a point.

Or maybe burning it down is the right way to deal with the sentiment behind the vote in the first place. Sometimes people need to fall flat on their face to actually get the message.