This much is true. However necessary a tough budget may be required at some point, I do see it as a fatal mistake of the Remain campaign - the tone and timing of Osbourne ripping into 'Imma gonna launch an immediate corrective budget' was very antagonistic to an already agitated voter.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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This much is true. However necessary a tough budget may be required at some point, I do see it as a fatal mistake of the Remain campaign - the tone and timing of Osbourne ripping into 'Imma gonna launch an immediate corrective budget' was very antagonistic to an already agitated voter.
You can't have any cake and I've already eaten it.
RedSparrows
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Given the way many people voted as a protest against their, basically, fucked life chances, it's a poltical disaster. It's explicable though, as they won a majority on a campaign of austerity. You can see why he thought the 'tough teacher silly kid' thing would work again. It did before.
/grumblelabourvotergrumble
That is also what i alos believe, the EU will do with this outcome. Nobody wanted the UK to leave, but at the same time it is a great way to make an example. The bigger the suffering of the UK, the better the EU looks at the end and gives them something to point at, if the EU-Sceptics ask for the destruction of the union. We can start to much more connect the nations, since the UK was always the road-block of this.
But i don't believe that EU wants to active destroy the UK economy, because of some weird feeling of revenge. They will help them enough to stay on good terms, hold them barely over water and after a reasonable time later ask to come back. Of course under the same condition like everybody else.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Maybe it was copious and glutinous enough not to eat it in one sitting!
Yes Cameron lies.
I think it's worth pointing out that noone voted Remain based on that lie.
It amazes me how little people are bothered by the Leave lies - these were central to their campaign and for some reason the same people who believed these lies prefer to reach for a "both sides" argument.
Both sides lied to Leave supporters, I guess.
EdwardTeach
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Hurting "evil bankers" hurts everyone in the UK. They are our biggest source of tax revenue. In addition doing anything that hammers the stock market effects savings and pensions for all.
Palette Swap
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It's fascinating and chilling to see that after the vote is cast, people are trying to figure out what Leave really means.
I honestly can't see a solution that will please all Leave voters considering freedom of movement will be a huge roadblock sooner or later.
It's 100% democratic and reflects the will of the people until you realize people had no idea what they were very concretely voting for, as even the politicians that were pushing it were clueless.
I honestly can't see a solution that will please all Leave voters considering freedom of movement will be a huge roadblock sooner or later.
It's 100% democratic and reflects the will of the people until you realize people had no idea what they were very concretely voting for, as even the politicians that were pushing it were clueless.
If people had actually realised this was the choice, surely the vote would have been wildly different?
Choose one:
- remain in europe; get free trade and protect your jobs, and we'll work to influence things to be more about free trade and not political union like we always have.
- leave europe: get free trade and protect your jobs, but we'll pay more and have no say about the future direction of europe, and we'll pay more, and the regions won't get development grants so cornwall and Wales are fucked. and we still get the same migration issues and we still don't get any control back - actually we get less.
Haha, I've honestly been wondering if he'd get away with this. It's the best possible outcome.
Hunt mentioned a 2nd referendum but only after more negotiations with the EU. Unless he was planning the above I don't know what he expects to achieve there.
Alx
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Well... that could actually be a solution.
"- but isn't that exactly... ?
- shhhh, don't say anything, it's working !"
Nah of course not. The UK is indeed a major market, and if it were to crumble it would still take its neighbours in its fall. EU will try to make the best of the situation for itself, but it's in nobody's interest to crush the UK.
That part wasn't a sincere benefit to all this, but it's a positive in the eyes of a "protest" vote (maybe).
It's not great but it's better than actually leaving (and the other points are more positive I think)
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I wonder if the whole banana outrage is related to the fact that Britain can't grow bananas for shit, so they have to import all of them.
Maybe there's a large underground market for bananas with its own stipulations and standards, moving bendy bananas as if they were hard currency.
Maybe there's a large underground market for bananas with its own stipulations and standards, moving bendy bananas as if they were hard currency.
some people shouted "get out" and buuuuh shoutings all around.
meh, he is arrogant, talking about the "little people, ordinary people"
jufonuk
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I think so would half of the country and the whole of Europe .
Spladam
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Hey guys, was wondering what you guys thought, if the UK had a chance to do the referendum over again, if they allowed a second go, what do you think THAT result would be?
You think there are enough people that, now confronted with the reality of the decision would second guess their "protest" vote?
You think there are enough people that, now confronted with the reality of the decision would second guess their "protest" vote?
Well, I for one would abstain, and I know quite a few who feel the same.
TheCrackInTime
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I say that whilst he's there, we take back control of our borders and don't let him back into the country.
I don't think that politicians will act maliciously to destroy the British economy, but it is clear that the EU's leadership will avoid reform for as long as possible.
(Here is the article in English. The contempt the author has for the UK is pretty awful.)
PJV3
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Yes
Not now, but after negotiations and a stark choice of real options. Doing it too soon will be easily spun into ignoring the people.
ferrasvansen
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Farage is making us all look stupid here... ranting and insulting everyone.
It'd have a lower voter turnout and therefore the result would be irrelevant and ideally thrown out, regardless of which side won.
Edit: oh you don't mean a second one, but a redo but with knowledge of what would happen? Leave would probably still win. Logic was never part of that campaign.
Theonik
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Sorry, been catching up.
With the UK leaving Cameron no longer has the power to block it.
UK politicians have bred Euroscepticism for years in the UK to cover up their own fuckups. They are paying the price now but so is everyone in Britain.
Hey we at Ceredigion voted remain 55-45! Not our fault.
Maybe. There isn't much better alternative though. Could use some reform though a better voting system in the UK would go a long way.
As would better education in school about being an adult.
burning those bridges. Nice one Nige.
Which is absolute nonsense. The Parliament is filled with ex-businessmen, top politicians (including ex-PMs) and PhDs. Go on and check the CVs of all the MEPs, its on each of their profiles.
It's precisely his party and UKIP members that never, ever contribute or do anything. Those are the ones that always involved in the corruption scandals and 'picking up their checks'.
ferrasvansen
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They are laughing at him, and no wonder, fool of the highest order.
Had a similar conversation with some French and Belgium friends this weekend.
We've just made the EU better. A lot better. And should we actually leave it, we'll be on the outside looking in as they become much more responsive and considerate to the increasingly divided feelings of their constituents. The speech during the EU emergency meeting basically said as much. The irony is palpable.
Polling shows a relatively large swing back to remain from people who had voted leave (7% leave voters would now vote remain versus 4% of remain voters who would now vote leave). That might be enough to swing it already - I think everyday this mess continues the greater the chance of a second referendum being won.
Saying that, I don't think a second referendum on the same question is a good idea. Either parliament blocks it following a GE, or the referendum is on a proposed deal. That's difficult however because we will have already activated article 50 by that point, and that messes everything up.
ferrasvansen
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Now another racist... In support of the UK. Any sensible person watching this must be wondering what is going on.
Spladam
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No, I mean a redo, a second vote. I get the sense that it would not go the same way, just from what I've been reading and seeing. I could see it having a much lower turnout as well, as Protone says.
Theonik
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You know, the UK sent that guy as an MEP. Can't absolve responsibility.
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