R6Rider
Gold Member
Depends on the games. Some games see a VERY large improvement to framerate when using scalers, while others (more CPU heavy) will see much less.
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TheVerge: There will still be 30fps PS5 Pro Enhanced games
King Dazzar
Member
Pure speculation. But I'd have thought you'll get a mix. I don't see why some games wouldnt just go the easy route with what you have today in terms of fidelity/performance, but with frame rate unlocked options. But also, some games will just know its being played on a Pro and the fidelity and performance modes will simply use a different preset config.
Wolves hunt in packs
Member
For sure, nobody forces them to make games that run at 60fps, i would be disappointed to pay that much to only get some better resolution. Also to make your game in 2024 with only 30fps mode is not modern? i mean not only it runs like crap, especially on OLED, what about future proofing your game when better hardware released?
Crispy Gamer
Member
Of course lol they showed Hogwarts at 30 Sony wasn't hiding anything if that's being implied
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
Paying $700+ to still play games at 30FPS in 2024
Thanks Hermen!
Thanks Hermen!
Fbh
Gold Member
Wasn't this always obvious?
They didn't upgrade the CPU
Can someone explain this "Hogwarts at 30" thing to me?
I've seen a bunch of people mention it....but Hogwarts runs at 60 even on the base Ps5
They didn't upgrade the CPU
Can someone explain this "Hogwarts at 30" thing to me?
I've seen a bunch of people mention it....but Hogwarts runs at 60 even on the base Ps5
Wasn't the whole premise of PS5 Pro to combine Fidelity AND Performance modes?
So now we can expect:
PS5:
- Performance Mode
- Fidelity Mode
PS5 Pro:
- Performance Mode
- Fidelity Mode
So, not only do they have more work to do, but the already unoptimised games will be even more unoptimised because now they'll have to create 4 different versions on just 1 console.
Then you have to also include:
XSX:
- Performance Mode
- Fidelity Mode
XSS:
- Whatever Mode
BUT WAIT... then you also have some developers still releasing games for the PS4 and Xbox One...
So include those versions in the list too and you have what?
9 different versions of the game running.
Yeah, games are going to release in an even worse state AND take even longer.
So now we can expect:
PS5:
- Performance Mode
- Fidelity Mode
PS5 Pro:
- Performance Mode
- Fidelity Mode
So, not only do they have more work to do, but the already unoptimised games will be even more unoptimised because now they'll have to create 4 different versions on just 1 console.
Then you have to also include:
XSX:
- Performance Mode
- Fidelity Mode
XSS:
- Whatever Mode
BUT WAIT... then you also have some developers still releasing games for the PS4 and Xbox One...
So include those versions in the list too and you have what?
9 different versions of the game running.
Yeah, games are going to release in an even worse state AND take even longer.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
StereoVsn
Member
CINEMATIC!!! Let’s see the 24FPS mode.
Kacho
Gold Member
Six hundred and ninety nine US dollarsWasn't the whole premise of PS5 Pro to combine Fidelity AND Performance modes?
So now we can expect:
PS5:
- Performance Mode
- Fidelity Mode
PS5 Pro:
- Performance Mode
- Fidelity Mode
So, not only do they have more work to do, but the already unoptimised games will be even more unoptimised because now they'll have to create 4 different versions on just 1 console.
Then you have to also include:
XSX:
- Performance Mode
- Fidelity Mode
XSS:
- Whatever Mode
BUT WAIT... then you also have some developers still releasing games for the PS4 and Xbox One...
So include those versions in the list too and you have what?
9 different versions of the game running.
Yeah, games are going to release in an even worse state AND take even longer.
owandeseis
Member
Starfield, Dragon's Dogma 2, Warhammer: SM2, Baldurs Gate 3, Flight Simulator 2020 and obviously 2024 will be too. Yes, i know some have 60 FPS modes, but all of them struggle hard in certain parts already.
Monster Hunter's demo only had 30 FPS mode, considering it's a CPU heavy game i wouldn't expect 60 FPS.
Kingdom's Come Deliverance is already announced as a 30 FPS only videogame on consoles.
Cities Skylines 2 was announced as 30 FPS only on consoles before getting delayed again.
Cyberpunk's performance mode struggles with 60 FPS when there's some action in the city, also it becomes a desert/dead city density wise, and this is a 2020's game.
As you can see, it's not the entire's generation, almost every game is from the last year or announced for the next months, which is when the crossgen videogames era ended. If this happens in the first fully next-gen year, and we have at least 3 more to go, and then another 2-3 from the next gen games (crossgen with this one), i let you guess what's going to happen.
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Cyborg
Member
I can buy you one? Want i?
Lucifers Beard
Member
If anyone thought that a pro machine with only a GPU upgrade and no substantial boost to the CPU would guarantee 60fps in all games then I don't know what to tell you.
Zen 2 is ancient at this point by hardware standards.
Zen 2 is ancient at this point by hardware standards.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Only the dumbest idiot on planet Earth would think any Pro console or any PC would guarantee 60 fps on every game regardless of resolution or Ray-Tracing effects. An Nvidia 4090 can't even guarantee that and it's $1,500 for the GPU ALONE!
DeaDPo0L84
Member
StereoVsn
Member
While it’s obviously a developer’s choice to go for 30 FPS (a bad choice not to have higher frame rate option), the one problem is that Sony’s new shiny PS5 Pro still has they shit Ryzen 2 CPU (cutdown even). And the cost is almost double release OG PS5 model pricing.
That CPU will ensure some games won’t hit the 60fps mark if they are CPU heavy.
That CPU will ensure some games won’t hit the 60fps mark if they are CPU heavy.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
Yup this. At the end of the day the choice is up to the developer.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
Fbh
Gold Member
Oh I see.
That seems a bit silly though. The game still has a 60fps mode and that one might still get enhanced with better image quality and the higher foliage density of the "fidelity" mode on base Ps5.
I know $700 is more than some people expected, but that's still way below the price point of something that's going to be able to run every single game at max settings 4K and with full ray tracing at locked 60fps.
Bartski
Gold Member
Fess
Member
People are just disappointed it’s not some campaign, this happens every time when high expectations aren’t met, if Nintendo don’t deliver people will focus on the negatives too, same thing if Xbox Next don’t meet the expectations, or 5090, or anything.
Quantum253
Gold Member
I'm not sure why anyone would think all titles w/ enhancements would be 60fps.
Maybe a dev would want 4K with high detail models and higher ray tracing at 30fps.
I would think WuKong would make the Pro close to the PC release
Maybe a dev would want 4K with high detail models and higher ray tracing at 30fps.
I would think WuKong would make the Pro close to the PC release
Bitstream
Member
It's really up to the devs to determine how they want to leverage the power, but take this into consideration. Even for games that are currently 'cpu limited' in current scenarios, dropping the resolution and using PSSR would effectively produce a similar image while freeing up CPU resources. Even though the CPU isn't a massive upgrade, rewriting the code more intelligently will allow for more computational capabilities.
Karak
Member
This is for sure true. Even pinging just a handful of devs most of them stated that they had plans for improvements but that 30fps removal wasn't one of them.
FYI since devs flatly choose this, it makes sense, as a dev could make a 4090 run at 1fps if they wanted to. And depending on the dev and their style it's not at all up to the hardware maker.
sainraja
Member
Surely, yes, they do control that and if they wanted to, they could have again. With the PS5 Pro, they are not making a policy like that, so if anything, that shows, the company has moved on from that type of thing. I am not sure of any other policy they have like that and if they do, this seems to be the exception. Anyway, I did acknowledge that, outside of implementing a hardline policy like that, they can't do anything else but softly encourage it.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
The point is there will always be 30fps games on consoles.
Next-gen as well.
akira__
Member
Oh look our guy at Verge, still looking for negative angles.
He had the same dumb take beginning of the year, alluding that ps5 pro would be mostly 30 fps.
> Sony wants 60fps PS5 Pro ‘Enhanced’ games, but it’s happy to settle for less
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www.theverge.com
He had the same dumb take beginning of the year, alluding that ps5 pro would be mostly 30 fps.
> Sony wants 60fps PS5 Pro ‘Enhanced’ games, but it’s happy to settle for less
Sony wants 60fps PS5 Pro “Enhanced” games, but it’s happy to settle for less
The PS5 Pro will boost older games, too.
www.theverge.com
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
Schmendrick
Member
a ~ 4070 equivalent doesn`t have unlimited power? No shit....
saintjules
Gold Member
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
People were never going to be happy and there are people weighing in who were never going to buy a PlayStation. That's just reality. And that makes it a campaign. How would you define a campaign exactly?
Look at the Road to PS5 video on youtube and the dislikes on it. It's the reality of the new media.
The XSX got a 600 dollar console that has 2TB of storage. People were disappointed by it, but there was no campaign in response. People just decided, "I'm not buying that" and moved on.
People are begging people to not buy this on twitter. I've never seen that before.
solidus12
Member
Some rats like to pretend the games aren’t coming.
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