MMaRsu
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One adds to the weird Twin Peaks esque quirkyness, one doesn't.
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One adds to the weird Twin Peaks esque quirkyness, one doesn't.
The CG portion of the cutscenes is well done in SH2. The realtime parts are not great though. That was always my biggest critique of the game. Even back then, coming from the spectacular MGS2 realtime cinematography, this was a letdown.
Pasta la Vista
Member
Wrong.
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
At first, I was like, alright, OP might be making a big scene out of this thread...
But that 2nd video where she's saying "Anyway! What do you mean anyway!?" sold me on it. The remake lacks... what the original had...
Nickolaidas
Member
This obsession with making female faces look chubby annoys me.
I'm going to call it, 'the Insomniac Mary Jane Syndrome'.
I'm going to call it, 'the Insomniac Mary Jane Syndrome'.
BlackTron
Gold Member
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
I still don't know how anyone can trust Bloober at this point, considering their track record.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Yeah, I mean the real-time parts, like when he meets Maria. That clearly looks better in most ways in the remake.
TerribleAtThisGame
Member
Intentional or not is completely irrelevant. That plastered-on, creepy smile she had in the OG was the most striking part of the character to me to begin with. All the characters exist in that bizarre Twin Peaks-ish twilight space between dream logic, silliness and being creepy as fuck. And again, whether elements of that are unintentional doesn't matter. The vast majority of its fans interpret the outcome the same way. It creates unease. It works.
I have to reserve final judgment until I play the remake but yea I mean, it's a modern remake. The main goal is to make a game newer generations have heard about by way of reputation palatable to them so they'll buy it. SH2 is a gloriously weird product of its era, this will be a polished cover version for people raised on The Last of Us. It is what it is. Kind of a big shrug for me, I have the amazing Enhanced Edition.
Badlucktroll
Member
We must now understand and come to terms with the fact that silent hill is now likely to become bloober hill.
peronmls
Member
Yes. Konami are sellouts. seemed to never care about their past work with Silent Hill. They took it from Japan and gave it to the west.
tomato shrub
Member
What's with the new upbeat music in the first video? jeez.
Also, the "bad" voice acting in the original, intended or not, only further enhanced the dreamlike atmosphere of the original. This new dialogue might be more "real", but also makes it more generic and borderline cringey.
Maybe the game might have been good as its own Silent Hill entry, but as a remake this looks like a flop.
Also, the "bad" voice acting in the original, intended or not, only further enhanced the dreamlike atmosphere of the original. This new dialogue might be more "real", but also makes it more generic and borderline cringey.
Maybe the game might have been good as its own Silent Hill entry, but as a remake this looks like a flop.
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MadchesterManc
Member
eh, I just see it as the original was on PS2 and the remake is on PS5 (PC) so they just have way more polygonal budget etc to pack in a lot more detail so things will look different regardless 
If all you want is the original in 4K, there's an enhanced edition mod for PC that will give you exactly that. Better yet just play the original on PS2, the grainy look gives it a grindhouse vibe that adds to the experience
If all you want is the original in 4K, there's an enhanced edition mod for PC that will give you exactly that. Better yet just play the original on PS2, the grainy look gives it a grindhouse vibe that adds to the experience
Ponderling
Member
Liking the new James actor and the visuals are amazing but I never expected this remake to come close to the original, team silent had something special going on back then. Day one just to walk around and soak up the atmosphere but some of these new performances, especially Maria's are terrible.
Physiognomonics
Member
The actors look great and very natural! Why didn't they simply use their real face instead of trying to copy the look of the OG faces? I wouldn't have mind.
Gonzito
Gold Member
Polygons have nothing to do with talent and understanding the original materialeh, I just see it as the original was on PS2 and the remake is on PS5 (PC) so they just have way more polygonal budget etc to pack in a lot more detail so things will look different regardless
Man the gaslighting of some people is hilarious
Bloobs
Al Pachinko, Konami President
StueyDuck
Member
For me it's the perfect analogy of a skin suit.
Something is definitely wearing a silent Hill 2 skin and pretending to be it. But it's just not recapturing the feel of the original title at all. It's hard to quantify why it's not right when the whole point of SH franchise in general is to be off, raise the hairs on your neck, make you feel uneasy.
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RPCGamer
Neophyte
No gaslighting. It's just how I see the word used nine times out of ten.
As for the game, I don't have any real connection to the series, but if people feel that strongly against this interpretation, I guess the best thing to do is wait and see. A good example of the interpretation is the Siren series - think it was made by the same person as SH thinking about it. The original was given a remake on PS3, but the creator called it something like a westerners version. Bit like The Ring films I guess.
This game might be something I get years down the line, but we'll see.
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RPCGamer
Neophyte
As I said in a previous post, I think the limited art style fitted the creppy aesthetic better. Less is more etc...
MadchesterManc
Member
Why are you so upset? Who is being gaslit? Feels like ERA around here sometimes
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
It is a downgrade.
Even the soundtrack sounds worse. Feel bad for anyone experience this masterpiece with the Remake.
RIP.
MadchesterManc
Member
Naked Lunch
Member
Bloober was always the wrong team for this project.
This was known from day one.
There was only ever one Team Silent - and they are long gone.
They captured that lightning in a bottle - once in a generation - creative vision that we havent and wont see again in gaming.
The Silent Hill series should have been retired from that point on.
For me, I just enjoy and revisit the original 3 games on PS2 (and sometimes The Room as well), when I get the urge - and ignore the rest.
I refuse to ruin my memories of the originals by playing these remakes and piss poor HD collections.
This was known from day one.
There was only ever one Team Silent - and they are long gone.
They captured that lightning in a bottle - once in a generation - creative vision that we havent and wont see again in gaming.
The Silent Hill series should have been retired from that point on.
For me, I just enjoy and revisit the original 3 games on PS2 (and sometimes The Room as well), when I get the urge - and ignore the rest.
I refuse to ruin my memories of the originals by playing these remakes and piss poor HD collections.
StueyDuck
Member
It absolutely helped, but I still feel a talented person can do the same with modern visuals.
Konami just did what Konami does best, made the wrong decisions... I don't know who would've been the right studio for this remake. But bloober wasn't it.
BlackTron
Gold Member
eh, I just see it as the original was on PS2 and the remake is on PS5 (PC) so they just have way more polygonal budget etc to pack in a lot more detail so things will look different regardless
If only the PS2 was powerful enough to render all the polygons for those big heads but alas, they had to narrow the jawline due to technical limitations...
Coomers ruin everything.
Some people are not realizing they're just the other side of the same coin at this point.
Turns out they're hating on this because they think it's a woke remake...
Josemayuste
Member
The gunplay and combat were the only thing that worried me about this remake, tbh.
Preordered already.
Preordered already.
Stu_Hart
Member
I can understand it for Maria, but these guys losing their minds over laura and angela is something else, hehehe.....
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
That og game looks like shit these days but it still exists so y'all can play that. I'll be playing this one at release.
Astray
Member
I swear to god every game has some sort of bitching around it.. Woke this and chud that.
Very annoying for anyone who wants actual discussions.
MujkicHaris
Member
The remake lacks the subtle shadow-light play and presents it too safe. This type of game has to have strong contrast, it's 101 of the genre.
I mean just look at the example below. Without zooming, it's obvious that the remake has its ambient light cranked up resulting in lack of contrast, depth, especially on characters. I will go even further and say that the image on the left looks way more realistic.
Also, another important thing... Environment textures. Beautiful textures on the left in the example below. Remake looks like it's afraid to step out of any bounds set by modern muddy, plastic-looking PBR. Too muted and flat, where is the grittiness, dirt? Just because you have volumetric light it doesn't mean you have to mute everything in the background. Not to mention that the cutscene lacks diversity in camera expression. Slap some over-the-shoulder, flip the camera a couple of times and call it a day.
The remake does look acceptable but I don't think that's enough and fair for series as legendary as SILENT HILL.
I mean just look at the example below. Without zooming, it's obvious that the remake has its ambient light cranked up resulting in lack of contrast, depth, especially on characters. I will go even further and say that the image on the left looks way more realistic.
Also, another important thing... Environment textures. Beautiful textures on the left in the example below. Remake looks like it's afraid to step out of any bounds set by modern muddy, plastic-looking PBR. Too muted and flat, where is the grittiness, dirt? Just because you have volumetric light it doesn't mean you have to mute everything in the background. Not to mention that the cutscene lacks diversity in camera expression. Slap some over-the-shoulder, flip the camera a couple of times and call it a day.
The remake does look acceptable but I don't think that's enough and fair for series as legendary as SILENT HILL.
Ironman_Bad
Member
Game looks great actually...anyone that doesent like the way it looks can keep playing that 20 year old looking version
Nickolaidas
Member
Honestly, it's not about being fuckable. I don't want *every* female character to bounce her tits and flaunt her ass like she's a character from a Korean gacha game (though those are nice).
My problem is that female faces in western games are starting to have so exaggerated facial expressions that literally piss me off. Also their facial features are more and more androgynous. And what annoys me the most is that devs do this ON PURPOSE. It doesn't matter whether they do this because they're scared so much of the next kotaku hitpiece or whether the devs themselves feel that female breasts, make up or buttocks must never be shown on screen ever again, the result is the same.
Female beauty is censored, and that is flat out retarded.
Judge Magister
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Nickolaidas
Member
I keep waiting for that fucking HFW mod which will make Alloy look like something resembling a woman, but still nada.Can i choose a third option?!
luca_29_bg
Member
The actress has that head.
Buggy Loop
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MiguelItUp
Member
Saying the video in OPs post is "woke" is the epitome of looking for something in nothing IMO. I mean come on man, lmao.
In majority of the clips and videos you can see that Maria, while looking a bit different, still has the same personality. If not more so. She just has a new outfit. Is that new outfit "woke"? The new design? It really shouldn't be. But people love to believe what they want to believe.
There were numerous articles stating how Konami wanted to change more than what Bloober wanted to. Bloober wanted to stick to the source material moreso apparently.
I feel like a lot of people want this to fail, because they hate Bloober, they "love" the original so much, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if majority of the "loudest" voices are coming from people that weren't interested, that were never interested.
I also know that Konami/Bloober consulted Sweet Baby Inc in some way. How? I don't know. We don't know. But they're a consultation company. Which means studios ask for their assistance, they provide, and the studio decides if they want to go with them or not. But of course you have the brigade that sees the name and wants to rage without knowing any context. If you were to ask me, I wouldn't be surprised if they contributed to things revolving around mental health, or something similar. It makes sense to me as SH2 contains characters that display various forms of broken. Konami/Bloober were probably concerned about things being "offensive" or something along those lines.
Regardless, they don't push developers and publishers aside and force them to make changes. That's not how consultations work.
Seeing folks blow their gasket in here because others don't agree is pretty wild. Especially to call them Era members when they're just like, "Nah" or "I don't know bro..." lmao.
I'm not a fan of a lot of modern art styles, hell, I'm not a fan of a lot of modern tropes in games. But in the end I just want good/great games, and if this can be one of those, I'm beyond happy.
When the original Silent Hill 2 dropped I was 13/14 years old. I played it, loved it, and it left a lot of marks. Primarily because there was no other game I had played at the time that revolved around the content it did. I still love the original, and will continue to regardless of how the remake is or turns out. At this point I just hope it's decent, and if it's more than that to me, cool.
In majority of the clips and videos you can see that Maria, while looking a bit different, still has the same personality. If not more so. She just has a new outfit. Is that new outfit "woke"? The new design? It really shouldn't be. But people love to believe what they want to believe.
There were numerous articles stating how Konami wanted to change more than what Bloober wanted to. Bloober wanted to stick to the source material moreso apparently.
I feel like a lot of people want this to fail, because they hate Bloober, they "love" the original so much, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if majority of the "loudest" voices are coming from people that weren't interested, that were never interested.
I also know that Konami/Bloober consulted Sweet Baby Inc in some way. How? I don't know. We don't know. But they're a consultation company. Which means studios ask for their assistance, they provide, and the studio decides if they want to go with them or not. But of course you have the brigade that sees the name and wants to rage without knowing any context. If you were to ask me, I wouldn't be surprised if they contributed to things revolving around mental health, or something similar. It makes sense to me as SH2 contains characters that display various forms of broken. Konami/Bloober were probably concerned about things being "offensive" or something along those lines.
Regardless, they don't push developers and publishers aside and force them to make changes. That's not how consultations work.
Seeing folks blow their gasket in here because others don't agree is pretty wild. Especially to call them Era members when they're just like, "Nah" or "I don't know bro..." lmao.
I'm not a fan of a lot of modern art styles, hell, I'm not a fan of a lot of modern tropes in games. But in the end I just want good/great games, and if this can be one of those, I'm beyond happy.
When the original Silent Hill 2 dropped I was 13/14 years old. I played it, loved it, and it left a lot of marks. Primarily because there was no other game I had played at the time that revolved around the content it did. I still love the original, and will continue to regardless of how the remake is or turns out. At this point I just hope it's decent, and if it's more than that to me, cool.
Also, side note: Maria's original outfit is in the game. You can look at it, and she also holds it up. What if there were alternate outfits and she could wear it? You never know. 
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Interfectum
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The woke is calling from inside the house!