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UK Labour Leadership Crisis: Corbyn retained as leader by strong margin
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Camp Freddie
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I, for one, find it utterly disgraceful that someone who was publicly slandered and threatened with the sack by a leading politician would attempt to defend himself by using simple facts and photographic proof.
The sheer nerve of the man.
The tragedy is that overcrowding is a real problem, and Corbyn's fake stunt makes it look like the whole problem is being faked.
No-one really trusts Branson, let alone the other faceless train companies, and everyone must've had some terrible rail experiences. Asking for nationalisation should be an easy sell.
Yet somehow, Branson comes out of it as the simple straight talking guy just doing his job in a hostile environment and Corbyn is the devious two-faced spin-doctor trying to justify a takeover of public services.
The sheer nerve of the man.
The tragedy is that overcrowding is a real problem, and Corbyn's fake stunt makes it look like the whole problem is being faked.
No-one really trusts Branson, let alone the other faceless train companies, and everyone must've had some terrible rail experiences. Asking for nationalisation should be an easy sell.
Yet somehow, Branson comes out of it as the simple straight talking guy just doing his job in a hostile environment and Corbyn is the devious two-faced spin-doctor trying to justify a takeover of public services.
Bony Manifesto
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It's so clearly a pop.
"I am very pleased that Richard Branson has been able to break off from his holiday to take this issue seriously and with the importance it obviously deserves"
Even with it written down, I don't see how anyone could fail to detect the withering sarcasm there.
Nicktendo86
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Milne really ought to get the sack, that's two spin sessions that have backfired now at least (the other one I'm thinking of was that Vice film).
travisbickle
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This has to be it, he's totally disillusioned to the issues affecting the people he supposedly speaks for. Did Alison from Skegness even exist or was it just another ploy by a Westminster elite to appear normal?
JonathanEx
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Nicktendo86
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haha was waiting for that, Tom Watson's face never fails to make me laugh.
That's what I don't understand about Corbyn. He's saying the rights things (to me anyway) but he's doing a lot of really dumb shit.
Like, instead of pulling the stunt he did. Why didn't he just board a train during peak-times and witness - first hand - the overcrowded and just film that followed by - maybe - interviewing folk about the lack of seats. It's not that difficult really and we've all experienced and seen it first hand. The fact that people sometimes sit on the floor during crowded train journeys is not an over-exaggeration.
But alas, he decides to pull this opportunistic Gandhi stunt and be "one with the people" and it just backfires badly. I don't blame Branson for getting involved quite frankly. He simply pointed out the bullshit.
Nicktendo86
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I think the simplest answer and, therefore, the most likely is that he and his office are incompetent. We've seen it time and again with small examples here and there, plus he also gets very shirty with the media when they have the audacity to ask him questions.
By the way, I don't think Smith is all that either. How many gaffes have we seen already? Smash May on her heels, talk to ISIS, Corbyn is a lunatic then reverse ferrets to say he was referring to himself which makes no sense etc etc. I;m not sure what his latest pitch of ignoring the EU ref is supposed to achieve either, other than further pissing off working class voters who voted to leave.
By the way, I don't think Smith is all that either. How many gaffes have we seen already? Smash May on her heels, talk to ISIS, Corbyn is a lunatic then reverse ferrets to say he was referring to himself which makes no sense etc etc. I;m not sure what his latest pitch of ignoring the EU ref is supposed to achieve either, other than further pissing off working class voters who voted to leave.
Jezbollah
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It's pretty much the same here. I think Corbyn meant to say either rammed or jam-packed, and just mumbled ram-packed.
Tax dodging aside, you made a political intervention on his company, of course he's going to respond. How can Corbyn believe the shit he's spouting? "Astonishing" my ass.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37167253
That would make 2 of 3 major political parties opposed to implementing Brexit if he wins.
Graphics Horse
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3 of 4 if you include the Lib Dems
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
What an absolute egomaniac bellend. Yeah, start a fucking press war with Virgin why don't you, that'll show you can run the country. Corbyn who of course has never explained how he'd buy back all the train companies because who needs actual financial plans to be in opposition. Fuck me. Labours dead as a party because of a OAP clown.
QuicheFontaine
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Isn't this, like, confirmation that Jezza isn't altogether that disappointed with the outcome of the EU referendum?
Yes, it's stupid. We all know the trains are overcrowded, and hell, renationalisation is popular with people I speak to across the political spectrum. It wouldn't have been hard to simply find one that legitimately was overcrowded if this was his goal - just board it in the morning rush, easy win, maybe get some soundbites from fellow commuters (and get them on his side!)
Instead it comes across about as genuinely as Nigel Farages gurning while holding a pint of London pride - I'm sure he likes beer but its just so forced for publicity.
Not only that, a political intervention with the end goal of taking his train business away from him completely. Of course Branson is going to call him out on it
If I were a betting man I'd put good money on Johnson actually wanting to remain and Corbyn actually wanting to leave. They should have switched places
Sir_Crocodile
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Is there anyone who really believes he really wanted to stay in the EU? He's a Tony Benn guy
I'm not sure how the Smith idea will work. I was under the impression that once Article 50 was invoked Britain can't stop it and we can't have a referendum on the final deal until after Article 50 has been invoked and the negotiating has finished.
JonathanEx
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That's from this great Guardian story: http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-leadership-bid?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Hangouts
It's incredibly depressing that it seems plausible we have a leader of the opposition more interested in making jam than doing his job.
UK Labour Leadership Crisis: Not ram-packed, jam-packed.
Delusibeta
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Ironically, Edinburgh's the one place that I've been to where the buses are pleasant. Everywhere else, they're crap, but Lothian Buses is really rather good.
Oh believe me in the hypothetical scenario of May invoking article 50, and then Smith winning a snap election then Merkel et al would find a way for Article 50 to be un invoked.
Corbyn has been anti-EU for decades and has made no secret of that. He 'supported' remain because he was forced to, then was calling for the immediate invoking of Article 50 on live TV the morning after the referendum before it was even 9am.
Something he or his supporters then denied he did.
Guileless
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Update on the party conference being in jeopardy: UK Labour parley at risk as Israel-linked security firm it spurned rejects plea for help
Woof.
Woof.
QuicheFontaine
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Seems a bit off that the govt can basically cancel the opposition's conference, doesn't it? Shouldn't the police provide security if no alternative can be found?
Royal_Phalanx
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A private security company refuses business because they hate working with Labour that much?
Bony Manifesto
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I think the police will do it, but they'll charge much, much more than the private companies would (obviously, as G4S and it's ilk pay their staff peanuts).
nelsonroyale
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Oh look another storm in a teacup...
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
If the employees of a company are being verbally/physically abused they should reserve the right to not serve a customer. They are right to care for their employees.
That's not why G4S is doing it though.
Lots of private security companies, from the sounds of things.
I mean G4S are a fundamentally shitty company as has been proven time and time again, it's the inability to find a replacement that's the real story here.
Starwolf_UK
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics...erence-in-peril-g4s-will-not-provide-security
There is another private security firm they can go with; Showsec. However since they don't recognize trade unions GMB will picket the conference if that happens. The NEC sure though the boycott through...
I also don't get why the leader can't be announced if the conference doesn't take place? Well like Brexit I'm sure Jeremy will be pleased if a leader can't be announced.
There is another private security firm they can go with; Showsec. However since they don't recognize trade unions GMB will picket the conference if that happens. The NEC sure though the boycott through...
I also don't get why the leader can't be announced if the conference doesn't take place? Well like Brexit I'm sure Jeremy will be pleased if a leader can't be announced.
Nicktendo86
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It's alright folks, momentum have a rival conference planned anyway.
Billy_Pilgrim
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The G4S thing initially came from Corbyn, so that's another ridiculous gaffe to chalk up to him, though the NEC should really have done their job and thought it through a bit more.
It's more you announce the leader at the conference to maximise press coverage etc.
QuicheFontaine
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Amazingly no! It's more like he's almost 100% going to win it.
Snarfington
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He is almost definitely going to win. He has a lot of (very) blind followers desperate to see views like his represented, no matter how incompetent he is. Don't forget, if he's made to look bad, it's a conspiracy! If his opponent looks bad, though - well he's just the worst!
Unite is the problem, more than Corbyn. Unite don't want G4S and have been blocking GMB's attempts to talk to them. GMB don't want Showsec and said they'd picket the conference if they do security. This is basically a dickwaving contest between them and now there is a real risk that the conference won't happen lol.
I'm not sure the police can. Companies are required to pay the police for additional security for ticketed, pay to enter events as part of their temporary event license. But that security and payment is only for the policing of the public space outside the venue. And it requires the event to have paid entry - if it's a free event, the police can't charge.
I've never known the police to provide security for private, indoor events on private property -- that falls way outside their remit of protecting the public space.
QuicheFontaine
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I thought these conferences would fall into a different category. So you're saying its basically like a football match or something? Do those use G4S for internal security?
Nicktendo86
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I read that they can indeed pay the police to attend, but will cost around £60 an hour instead if £9 an hour for showsec.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/labours-security-headache-looks-set-cost/
In other news, I've heard a few little rumblings that the leadership contest might be a bit closer than expected...
Generally any big event will be required to have private security as part of their license to hold the event. On top of that, the local police are often required to increase numbers to provide security and public order functions around big events. If the event is paid for then the police will charge the event provider for doing so, but it the event is unpaid then they can't charge. It's why some big events such as firework displays either have to be free or can't be run at all - because once you start charging for the event, you then have to pay the police, and the police are expensive.
I'm not aware of anything special around conferences, that's just the general process for temporary event licenses and public place security. Like I said though, I would be very surprised if the police stepped in - policing a conference would be a huge resource drain, and it's not really what your local police are set up to do. They might be able to do it, but it would be staggeringly expensive at the bare minimum.
The police are taxpayer funded.
Why should the taxpayer foot the bill for security at the Labour party conference?
CyclopsRock
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I'm not sure who football marshals work for technically (whether they're "in house" or outsourced) but they're paid for by the clubs, that's for sure. The police are only outside the stand (on their pretty horsies) and only enter the stadiums if there is an actual public disorder thing going on. Ie a massive fight or pitch invasion or whatever. As Maledict said, they aren't responsible for providing security to provide property but they are responsible for stopping crimes in progress.
Edit: Incidentally, they will often make sure there aren't too many home games for multiple clubs in the same city on the same day due to policing resources. This is especially the case for London where you have so many big teams all under the Met.
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