War Peaceman
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UK PoliGAF thread of tell me about the rabbits again, Dave.
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The crash happened under Labours watch even after they said it wouldn't, and the world economy is still fucked and nobody trusts anyone any more...
There's no money, and the only way to get money is to borrow until our eyes bleed and thanks to decades of overspending our eyes started bleeding years ago.
Labours master plan of cutting vat by 2p and spending a little bit more thinking that will fix all our problems is the financial equivalent of me pissing in the ocean..
So yeah, there's going to be no quick fix regardless of who's in control.
Delusibeta
Banned
Not going to happen during the Olympics.
I can't imagine anything more embarrassing for our nation than having both the Eds in charge.
Labours got their leaders badly wrong, and most people I've spoke to feel the same.
Brown said it couldn't happen repeatedly.
after the olympics obviously.
Surely if Clegg was serious he would have waited 2 weeks for the Olympics die down and make more of a stink?
And I don't know who I'd vote for. I don't agree with Tory philosophy and the Lib Dems just flip flop constantly but unfortunately David Cameron is the strongest leader of the three.
And I don't know who I'd vote for. I don't agree with Tory philosophy and the Lib Dems just flip flop constantly but unfortunately David Cameron is the strongest leader of the three.
Well, it's still the main headline on the news, even with all the worthless trinkets flooding in to Team GB's coffers. So it worked, but only for as long as the Olympics will allow, mitigating the damage to both parties - burying bad news under a special event, as it were.
So yes, Clegg is serious...about keeping his party in power.
So yes, Clegg is serious...about keeping his party in power.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
They'd be fine.
The last thing needed was David Milliband - he's poison, with his terrible stint as foreign secretary and his smarmy pseudo-Blairness. Voters desire credibility and character - he lacks it. None of the other alternatives were particularly great, anyway. Yvette Cooper would have been an interesting choice but for her expenses...
Ed Milliband has done an adequate job, really. It was a thankless task being made Labour leader then. The party should have disintegrated, yet it hasn't, and slowly but surely he is crafting a coherent message. He's also been steadily setting the tone for discourse - responsible capitalism being the key drive.
Obviously he is not at all charismatic and the papers smeared him from the off. However, the general consensus seems to be that he is personally a likeable man. I would expect that his personal ratings would rise in accordance with wider personal exposure. Though if he tries to do a Blair-esque personality campaign it will be disastrous. He has to run an ideological campaign, an intellectual campaign, almost.
Cameron's calling their bluff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19158924
I predict the changes will be voted in but it will acclerate the break up of the coalition.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19158924
I predict the changes will be voted in but it will acclerate the break up of the coalition.
Psychotext
Member
I really, really hope not.
I don't think they'll go through. Labour oppose because they'll lose out. Lib Dems the same, and even though the Tories as a party would gain, there are a number of Tory MPs who would lose out under the scheme.
Cameron will just come out of it even weaker.
Correct. I don't think many people understand just how sizable that number is. We're not quite talking Lords Reform rebellion numbers here, but it's still quite enough to see the Coalition's majority wiped out in the face of a unified Lib/Lab opposition.
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Lib/Lab. Who'da thunk they'd hear that phrase again?
Anyway, anyone else mad that the Yanks are kicking our banks in the nads for allegedly laundering Iranian money?
I'm torn on it. On the one hand, it's a bank, so fuck 'em; on the other hand, it's Americans forcing their laws on other countries again, and no sir, I don't like that, not one little bit
Their NY office has to obey US law. End of.
Besides, they didn't do it to correct a perceived injustice. They did it because they were handed a truckload of cash and they have no qualms breaking the law in pursuit of profit.
Besides, they didn't do it to correct a perceived injustice. They did it because they were handed a truckload of cash and they have no qualms breaking the law in pursuit of profit.
join a political party
then run for your local council seat for said political party (or as an independent)
then if you're talented (see: a dickhead) then you'll get selected to run as an MP for some constituency you have no chance of winning (an opposition safe seat).
then if you arselicked the right people you'll get a marginal/safe seat for your party and then become an MP
And there it is. "They're a bank, so fuck 'em" appears to be the correct response, as usual.
Gee, I wonder how many other investment banks are caught up in shit like this?
radioheadrule83
Banned
It is curious that they're mainlysticking it to UK banks though... are Bank of America and Citigroup etc being given the scrutiny that UK banks are?
BBC: Bank cuts growth forecast close to zero
So from 2% last year, to 0.8% in May, to 0% today. Plan A is working well.
So from 2% last year, to 0.8% in May, to 0% today. Plan A is working well.
milanbaros
Member?
Unfortunately the government will probably avoid too many questions until the end of January because Q3 will show growth because of Olympic tickets and no Jubilee holiday.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
What's ridiculous is that deficit hawks will cite this as a failure of Quantitative Easing and they'll call for more austerity cuts. Britain is being run into the ground by some woeful economics.
killer_clank
Member
I never really noticed the massive coalition tension what with the Olympics and all, but it's pretty massive. Can't see the boundary changes going through now, unless the lib dems are EVEN MORE lapdog like than they currently are (what am i saying).
Interesting times.
Interesting times.
fizzelopeguss
Banned
i know exactly the sort you're talking about, the cuts will never be to deep and cruel enough.
Yeah, you'd almost think the USA were deliberately trying to destroy the UK's financial sector, the way they're going after our banks. [/tinfoilhat]
To which I can only say "USA! USA! USA!". Anything that can reduce the political power of bankers can only be a Good Thing for our democracy.
Psychotext
Member
Someone tell me this is wrong... because I really can't get my head around it.
http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/newsart...llow-drug-companies-to-access-patient-records
http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/newsart...llow-drug-companies-to-access-patient-records
Sir_Crocodile
Member
hmmmm
on the one hand it's good to get more research data out there.
on the other hand I utterly distrust goverment/civil service ability to keep this anonomous, they'll almost certainly cock up somewhere, maybe a cd left on a train without patient name/addresses beign wiped off or somesuch.
on the one hand it's good to get more research data out there.
on the other hand I utterly distrust goverment/civil service ability to keep this anonomous, they'll almost certainly cock up somewhere, maybe a cd left on a train without patient name/addresses beign wiped off or somesuch.
My god they really are fucking clueless aren't they. In another example of their stupidity our glorious leader has been saying that schools need to do more with sports. Yeah that's very easy when schools have been forced to sell off their playing fields. Idiotic, stupid, corrupt fuck-wittery.
StealthGoblin
Banned
As long as all of the data is anonymous, I don't have a problem with that. It would enable the pharmaceutical companies to target their research/manufacture accordingly.
On the other hand, they'll also create a lot of 'things you need pills for' as they'll exploit the data and play on peoples fears. There has been a transition from 'curative' medicine to 'preventative' medicine in recent years. Essentially they market a potential disease/affliction and basically guilt/persuade you into buying the drugs, playing on the 'better to be safe than sorry' mentality that a lot of people have.
On the other hand, they'll also create a lot of 'things you need pills for' as they'll exploit the data and play on peoples fears. There has been a transition from 'curative' medicine to 'preventative' medicine in recent years. Essentially they market a potential disease/affliction and basically guilt/persuade you into buying the drugs, playing on the 'better to be safe than sorry' mentality that a lot of people have.
Speedymanic
Banned
Wasn't there a big fuss over this a year ago? I vaguely remember him coming out and saying this would never happen or maybe I'm not recollecting properly.
In any case, who didn't see this coming? It's the pharma companies wet dream, they've wanted this for years and they knew it would happen as soon as the Tories came in.
Also, interesting that he reveals this during the Olympics so it doesn't feature as the headline any where. :/
Speedymanic
Banned
And about that job market recovery...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19174431
Man, the UK is seemingly screwed for a very, very long time. Economic forecast is down, job market is slowing...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19174431
Man, the UK is seemingly screwed for a very, very long time. Economic forecast is down, job market is slowing...
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
And about that job market recovery...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19174431
Man, the UK is seemingly screwed for a very, very long time. Economic forecast is down, job market is slowing...
Sounds like we're on the right path. Let's continue our current policies!
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Cant find anything elsewhere about that Pharma data thing, but wouldnt surprise me. Was clear whatever fudging of the employment numbers was gonna have to dry up or be entirely pre-Olympics focussed as well.
Oh and out comes Big Dave with some fucking stupid "more sports in schools so everyone can be an Olympic medalist" populist push that will actually fool all the cretinous "I'm so proud to be British now" facebook people into thinking he does listen and care. Fuck all that science and creativity, looks its sports on the telly that we're winning! I despair.
Oh and out comes Big Dave with some fucking stupid "more sports in schools so everyone can be an Olympic medalist" populist push that will actually fool all the cretinous "I'm so proud to be British now" facebook people into thinking he does listen and care. Fuck all that science and creativity, looks its sports on the telly that we're winning! I despair.
Visualante2
Member
Come on 3 million! We can do this, the work programme works!CHEEZMO™;40764109 said:
I'm honestly thinking of doing drug trials. It'd allow me to move out or die, which is an improvement on the current situation.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Didn't this government cut the school sports funds programmes? We had our budget cut drastically. Absolutely dyer.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Oh good. Remember when the country voted in a majority government based on their election promises of totally fucking with every aspect of the NHS?
Can just see the "whoops we left all the names on" civil servant fuckup or whatever in the headlines.
Yep.
But cuts, you see, are necessary. To spur growth. Somehow. I don't know, but we're committed to this plan now and by golly we'll fucking plunge further into the shit until we're past our eyeballs.
Can just see the "whoops we left all the names on" civil servant fuckup or whatever in the headlines.
Yep.
But cuts, you see, are necessary. To spur growth. Somehow. I don't know, but we're committed to this plan now and by golly we'll fucking plunge further into the shit until we're past our eyeballs.
Visualante2
Member
Also approved the sale of 20 school fields (out of 21 applications). Apparently the schools will have access to other sports facilities. Probably something like a trip to a swimming pool on a coach once every 3 months.
Visualante2
Member
I disagree with you there, I think people are on way too many "for life" treatments. We're very much in a "course of medication" rather than preventing the need for medication. Big pharma runs healthcare. It used to be about prevention more in the past I believe. Back when there were concepts like "a family doctor"
I'm not cool with data being given out in this way. Big pharma can do their own research. Stuff like that should be opt in, not opt out.
So, we now have a £4.3 billion trade deficit, a fifteen-year high, and most of the near-80% increase from May was from non-EU countries - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19194176
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So, did anyone see Micheal Crick on Channel 4 News putting the figurative boot in to GAF's favourite soon-to-be-ex-Tory MP, Louise Mensch, in a special report to mark her last day on the job? Made her sound like a right ego-driven bitch.
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As for the proposed changes to the NHS constitution...it's the Tories, is anyone really surprised that they want to privatize everything? Bunch of fucking corrupt criminals.
And the government's friends are already making excuses for it. Lovely.
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So, did anyone see Micheal Crick on Channel 4 News putting the figurative boot in to GAF's favourite soon-to-be-ex-Tory MP, Louise Mensch, in a special report to mark her last day on the job? Made her sound like a right ego-driven bitch.
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As for the proposed changes to the NHS constitution...it's the Tories, is anyone really surprised that they want to privatize everything? Bunch of fucking corrupt criminals.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
I've imported a hell of a lot of stuff from China and USA over the last three months, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't that much - so probably not all my fault.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19300051
motherfuckers. Coming from the people still on one of the longest vacation breaks a job can have.
motherfuckers. Coming from the people still on one of the longest vacation breaks a job can have.
Visualante2
Member
JRF has been saying in their studies that productivity is down, it's like it has become the new fad to talk about in lieu of unemployment levels remaining so high, and many people ending up in part time jobs instead of full time work. But when people are an inch from losing their jobs and salaries are going down it's no surprise they don't take any pride in it.
All eyes are surely focused on Hollande, the slightest indication of his approach working and austerity must fall. I really admire his move on pension age.
e. I also resent the idea that citizens are just nodes in their networked economy. Like unless we satisfy the specific topic of debate we're idle and worthless and should be punished. Heaven forbid that people contribute in other ways to their families, communities and economies. There's no big picture to politics, which is why the healthcare and welfare reforms will fail. Our fascination with what can be measured, and what can be targeted has left us unable to see the root causes of problems in our society. The media just pumps out the statistics like there is some real thoughtful consideration going on in these people's heads. God knows what they'll do if they manage to get the deficit down. Maybe we can go back to the war on terrorism.
All eyes are surely focused on Hollande, the slightest indication of his approach working and austerity must fall. I really admire his move on pension age.
e. I also resent the idea that citizens are just nodes in their networked economy. Like unless we satisfy the specific topic of debate we're idle and worthless and should be punished. Heaven forbid that people contribute in other ways to their families, communities and economies. There's no big picture to politics, which is why the healthcare and welfare reforms will fail. Our fascination with what can be measured, and what can be targeted has left us unable to see the root causes of problems in our society. The media just pumps out the statistics like there is some real thoughtful consideration going on in these people's heads. God knows what they'll do if they manage to get the deficit down. Maybe we can go back to the war on terrorism.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
I was reading that and thought it sounded like a pretty good description of most MPs!
It's that fundamental question - is the point of government to increase our wealth or our happiness? Are we living to work or working to live?
Are we comfortable banking the increases in productivity that technology affords and working less for the same income?
FUCKING TORIES AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGHHHGGH
You wonder why I'm a rabid anti-Tory when you've got utter douchebags like these C-words representing them in positions of power? Show me even ONE Labour guy who'd be stupid enough to say bullshit like this in public!
No, Gordon Brown doesn't count, that was a private convo caught by a mic-related wardrobe malfunction.
New post for new news:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19329758
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19329758
So much for fiscal conservatives, eh? That's what you get when you've got no growth. So, stagflation for the next five years at least?
radioheadrule83
Banned
If that becomes a trend, Labour will be rubbing their hands with glee
We'll have hard right Tories calling for business tax cuts, which won't wash well with the Lib Dems or a large sect of the public, and we'll have Labour saying their plans haven't worked and have exacerbated the situation. Actually, I suppose we've had the latter for quite a while now...
Interesting times. I think Krugman has been right about us all along tbh.
We'll have hard right Tories calling for business tax cuts, which won't wash well with the Lib Dems or a large sect of the public, and we'll have Labour saying their plans haven't worked and have exacerbated the situation. Actually, I suppose we've had the latter for quite a while now...
Interesting times. I think Krugman has been right about us all along tbh.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Have we actually achieved anything with austerity yet?
We've cut and cut and cut yet are still borrowing silly amounts? Shiza Minelli.
I wonder how well the Olympics did financially? Ticket revenue and Olympic park revenue must have been high, but businesses elsewhere must surely have suffered.
We've cut and cut and cut yet are still borrowing silly amounts? Shiza Minelli.
I wonder how well the Olympics did financially? Ticket revenue and Olympic park revenue must have been high, but businesses elsewhere must surely have suffered.