zomgbbqftw
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Farage is getting a grilling on BBC2 right now, just got home, watching it now. It's 4 vs 1, he's doing alright, but he doesn't have a lot of answers though, but then neither do the other 3 politicians tbh.
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UK PoliGAF thread of tell me about the rabbits again, Dave.
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You are gonna have to put up with it as there is no alternative.
To get a referendum, it has to go through the commons first. You can bet your life Labour & the Libs will shoot down that bill.
The only thing that can happen with the Cons putting forward a bill for a referendum now, is to tell the electorates who decamped to UKIP that they are serious on the EU subject. So it will be nothing more than a vote grab for the GE in two years time.
Starwolf_UK
Member
Perhaps I am being dense but is there anywhere where I can find the seat results. The big news sites only seem to show entire county councils but I'm interested in seeing how my vote actually contributed to that composition (if it even did...). It would be like if after the general elections you could find number of MPs per county but not who your MP actually is.
Good for UKIP, good for sexists, homophobes, racists. Bad for England.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
You left out the paranoid schizophrenics and conspiracy theorists.
QuicheFontaine
Member
Lol, I just watched it.
"He's been cleaning the public toilets to save the council a bit of money. It's either local politics at its best, or cover for a far more sinister agenda..."
What exactly are they saying?
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Lol, I just watched it.
"He's been cleaning the public toilets to save the council a bit of money. It's either local politics at its best, or cover for a far more sinister agenda..."
UKIP are a bunch of fuckin crypto-fascists, that's what.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
BNP in cheap suits and worse economic policies.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/02/ukip-party-bigots-lets-look-evidence
http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/rss/1082-far-right-ukip-roundup
N
NinjaFridge
Unconfirmed Member
CHEEZMO;56761956 said:
CHEEZMO;56762716 said:
If people want out of Europe and want to distance themselves from Europe and non of the major parties want to discuss it - then of course your going to get an increase in more right wing parties with the left wing media jumping on the right wing parties like a cat in Trafalgar Square.
After all this is Democracy.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Vote share results vs 2010 GE:
Lab -1%
Con -12%
UKIP +20%
LD -10%
Holy shit.
Labour are down on their 2010 low of 29%. Absolute shocker for Labour, Tories and LDs. A result like this would produce so many weird anomolies by UNS in 2015, I think it ends with a Lab minority or a Con minority depending on how many UKIP voters return to the Tory party and how many 2010 Lib Dems return to them.
Lab -1%
Con -12%
UKIP +20%
LD -10%
Holy shit.
Labour are down on their 2010 low of 29%. Absolute shocker for Labour, Tories and LDs. A result like this would produce so many weird anomolies by UNS in 2015, I think it ends with a Lab minority or a Con minority depending on how many UKIP voters return to the Tory party and how many 2010 Lib Dems return to them.
killer_clank
Member
it'll be on your council website.
CHEEZMO™;56761956 said:
In what way?
They don't believe in the EU and mass immigration.
I mean why wouldn't you believe in an authority that will not reveal it's accounts and just makes up taxes and theft as it goes along.
I used to think the EU was a good thing, I now think that the lunatics have took over the asylum and are in the process of destroying all the great things it could have been and for what?
It's still a pain in the ass to sell and buy stuff out of the country into the EU with bucket loads of red tape depending on which country is doing their best to make it hard whilst being within the rules.
Its turned into a useless mess. I work in the chemical industry and I was speaking to an old timer in the industry and he said since we've joined the EU it's become exponentially harder to export across the channel as loads of subtle regulations keep getting released which means that the likes of Germany and France will always have a large competitive edge....
PJV3
Member
It's bad for the big three.
80% of the seats were in 'tory' areas so I don't think it will pan out like that at a GE.
4 Parties polling under 30% would test FPTP to destruction, 70% not voting for an MP is dangerous(on a wide scale).
Ugh, you are so far off the fucking mark it's unbelievable. We have this discussion EVERY TIME you or someone else brings up the "accounts aren't signed off" schtick. The accounts are revealed. They are transparent. They are managed as well as if not better than those of the 'United' Kingdom.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldselect/ldeucom/270/27010.htm
Is the reason people are saying that UKIP is homophobic that they're openly against gay marriage? I'm not saying that that's not enough to make a party homophobic, just wondering if that's specifically the reason, as opposed to something more prejudiced on a different level? They're openly in favour of civil partnerships, if that's worth anything.
They are against uncontrolled immigration which in today's world means OMG racists
I'll hold my hands up to that. Poorly worded statement.
That's not the reason.
They're sceptical of global warming which is dangerous. They're anti-gay marriage and a lot of their candidates keep saying a lot of homophobic things. Many of their candidates are openly sexist, some have denied the holocaust. We're not talking about very nice people here.
Thank you. It's appreciated.
Starwolf_UK
Member
Ah so they are.
I was better off not knowing. Of that county there are 2 UKIP seats...I'm in one of them. Looks like Labour lost by 2 votes as well. Thing is those two parties has about 80% of the vote between them...
We all learnt long ago that's its a lesson in futility trying to defend anything around UKIP in fashion here on GAF, best to let the matter drop and let the anti-UKIP circle jerk continue for a few more pages until something else on the right develops that Guardian-GAF can focus on.
Lol, no point defending any politics further right than centre-left in here!
But that's exactly what lets our resident lefties go wild in here. It's up to us to provide balance.
Hasn't been for some time between cheezmo's pretty concerning obsessive hatred of UKIP etc. and fragula using each point as a thinly veiled argument for a separate Scotland, its become tiresome. The poligaf thread is the last place to discuss politics unless you want to join in the left in scoffing and criticising.
It's a party of homophobes, sexists and racists with a thin veneer of "respectability" plastered across it. We're not talking about nice people, we're talking about the kind of people who say things like:
"[Homophobia] simply does not exist... propaganda device designed to... stigmatise those holding conventional opinions." - Roger Helmer, MEP
"[A woman who is raped] surely shares a part of the responsibility." - Roger Helmer, MEP
"Only the Zionists could sacrifice their own in the gas chambers." -Anne-Marie Crampton
"It was thanks to [Jewish banksters] that six million Jews were murdered in [WWII] along with 26 million Russians." - A. Crampton
“As for the links between homosexuality and paedophilia, there is so much evidence.” - Dr Julia Gasper, former UKIP parliamentary candidate.
"If I'm completely honest mate, they [Africans] disgust me." - Alexander Wood
"To say to a child, "I am having you adopted by two men who kiss regularly but don't worry about it" - that is abuse." - Winston Mackenzie
"We very much have a don't ask, don't tell policy [on being members of National Front]" - G. Coleman, Tunbridge Wells
zomgbbqftw
Banned
You'll get bored of trying eventually.
You know, UKIP describe themselves as "Libertarian and non-racist". Obviously you can pull up the "protest too much" thing about racism, but why aren't Libertarians in favour of free movement across borders? It seems very anti-Libertarian to want large state-control in the movement of people. Let people move where they want, the market will sort it all out.
Oh come off it.
Anyway, didn't you once vote for UKIP or at least intend to? That baffled me. I mean we disagree pretty heavily on most everything, but I don't think you're actually stupid. If memory serves your family are of Indian origin, and there you were wanting to vote for people who would hate you just for that.
I mean okay, you think Europe is holding back some utopia of unfettered casino banking and you don't want us tied to the kind of people who are in favour of freedom, bees and cheap phone bills... but were you really naïve enough to think that UKIP wasn't the friendly face of the BNP and national front?
QuicheFontaine
Member
Bees?
Meus Renaissance
Member
CHEEZMO;56762716 said:
BEES!
EU voted to ban pesticides that a number of studies had shown were linked to the decline in bee numbers. The Westminster government opposed this, citing some flawed studies funded by Big Chem. Bees are unbelievably important economically, given their role in pollination.
QuicheFontaine
Member
I was just trying to get someone to post that Arrested Development gif, but I'm pleasantly surprised to get an actual explanation too!
Miles Quaritch
Member
Say what you want about UKIP, but that is a masterfully done poster. Props.
PJV3
Member
UKIP are a hotchpotch of people, Farage is a Thatcherite libertarian, but when you go down the ranks it gets a bit messy.
When your leader is lauded for being rude to johnny foreigner, that is going to attract all sorts. Mqybe the party will start sorting itself out under scrutiny, the media need to stop treating them as entertaining oddballs for a start.
When your leader is lauded for being rude to johnny foreigner, that is going to attract all sorts. Mqybe the party will start sorting itself out under scrutiny, the media need to stop treating them as entertaining oddballs for a start.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
My opinion of UKIP can be summed up from the flyer through the door from the local candidate in the General Election.
The first bullet-point was something along the lines of "There's no such thing as global warming, it's just an excuse by the government to raise taxes." After a hearty laugh, it went in the bin.
When they develop some policies instead of simply being the "anti-everything/it's PC gone mad, innit" Party, I might not consider them such a joke.
The first bullet-point was something along the lines of "There's no such thing as global warming, it's just an excuse by the government to raise taxes." After a hearty laugh, it went in the bin.
When they develop some policies instead of simply being the "anti-everything/it's PC gone mad, innit" Party, I might not consider them such a joke.
QuicheFontaine
Member
MIGRANTS CHANGE BRITAIN FOREVER
dun dun dun
I think Britain really went downhill once they started letting all those Anglo-Saxons in
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Ohh i dunno mate, in the union you could atleast deflect home county gobshites outwards onto the wider world and johny foreigner. By leaving you're just making yourselves auld enemies again.
Black Republican
Member
is there a list/tally of these immigrants uk hates the most? Polish?
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
fucking UKIP, jesus christ. It pays to never underestimate how stupid the general populace is. This is why democracy just doesnt fucking work, because the majority of people aren't smart enough. 20%+!
Well done Clegg, you'll live to see your party die and be replaced by luke warm racists as the third power.
Well done Clegg, you'll live to see your party die and be replaced by luke warm racists as the third power.
PJV3
Member
I think UKIP will die back somewhat under scrutiny, at the moment they are a given a free ride, but now they are polling in the 20% region the media have a duty to be tougher.
Farage is no longer entertainment.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Well it's not as if there's any Left for things to develop on ho ho
Also what is there to defend about UKIP?
The fact that they're fuckin full of racists, homophobes, sexists, xenophobes and nationalists?
And if you think my hatred of the anorak-wearing, corner-of-the-pub-loitering creeps that make up the national embarrassment that is UKIP is concerning then you haven't seen me talk about people who aren't so shady.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
The UK doesn't "hate" immigrants, and most here would welcome well educated people who fill our skills gaps and can at least speak the language, including UKIP I believe....
The idea that a load of skint, non English speaking Bulgarians and Romanians can just freely turn up and start claiming benefits after 3 months is scaring a lot to death...
Democracy doesn't work because people who don't agree with you get to vote don't you mean?
There's a lot here with this mindset and they all appear left minded.... Why is that?