Dyni Crippler
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Uhm... you sure? Isn't that the whole point of Skrull's command grab?
EDIT: NVM, I read that wrong.
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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT4| Nothing Stops This Patch!
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Uhm... you sure? Isn't that the whole point of Skrull's command grab?
EDIT: NVM, I read that wrong.
if there is some foolproof way of getting it to work without being lucky or timing it just right I'd love to know. Maybe a DHC into it? But who would I use? Strange with the Spell of Ashanti like Dormammu does that beam up straight into the fire hyper? lol I don't know names for shit guys I'm sorry.
DeadPhoenix9065
Member
I thought those were grab resets?
Karsticles
Member
Have you watched any competitive play? Like Fchamp's Ghost Rider? If not, do so.
If anyone on the PSN side can record, I can do a set with Ghost Rider to show lawful what I mean.
Penance Stare has some invincibility frames. You XFC the blockstun, Penance Stare, and it goes through anything your opponent is doing (save some other hypers with lots of invincibility - screw you, Bionic Lancer!).
Never admit defeat.
kevo_huevo
Member
There's also IGT from SoCal who attends TRB sometimes. I'm not familiar enough with Ghost Rider to judge how good he is with him though.
JohnPauliuk
Neo Member
You mean that Ryu/ Thor combo or just how I use Shuma assist with Ryu? Also I'm free most of the day except today after 4pm Sask time.
I don't want to pick OP characters/teams I like to do my own thing even if it's not the best. I had vanilla when it was new and I got really tired of seeing various combinations of Dante/Wesker/Akuma. I almost deliberately steer clear of those characters (although I'm not useless with them) because of it. And to be honest I don't like Capcom games all that much so I'm pretty much stuck with only Marvel characters to work with. Which is fine by me because I love the characters. The only OP guy I use is Doom but it's not all because he is OP, he is one of my favorite villains and aside from the salt inducing foot dive hard knockdown he is an all around great character. If he had a teleport he would be God in that game. So yeah I like to play for fun mostly so I pick characters based off their flashy moves or their level of badassery in the comics. I'm just learning that X-23 is awesome. That level 3 hyper is nuts especially with level 3 x-factor, it's basically 1 hit to most characters. Nuts. I love the game and I wish I was better but my main problem with wanting to get better has to do with the main reason I play fighting games. I don't play them to go online or go pro or go to EVO or whatever I play with my friends on a couch in versus and what not. I play them because it's fun for me and my RL buddies when we hang out and drink too many beers. I'm already winning 90% of time as of right now if I break through my current skill ceiling I leave them behind and then it won't be fun any more. I bought each of my friends a copy of the game and I try to teach them everything I know and it is starting to work but they definitely don't have the discipline or dedication I have to really learn the moves or want to improve. Who knows, maybe they will actually get a fire under their asses and try to be better than me.
Dyni Crippler
Member
I share the feeling, but what if characters you like are OP?
Also, this will only get you so far: in Marvel choosing a good team is very important.
I chose my characters purely out of fanboyism. Ace Attorney is one of my favorite games, Dead Rising is probably my favorite 360 game and I've replayed Bionic Commando (Rearmed and 2009) way too many times. So I chose Wright/Frank/Spencer. Wright and Frank both have to level up to be effective, so my game is very slow. Plus, Spencer is a terrible anchor. So far I kept this team and had a lot of fun with it, but I'll admit it's frustrating watching a Vergil or Zero player against my (pretty crappy) Spencer. I'm considering switching to Dante (which would be an improvement in every possible way), but so far my fanboyism has prevailed.
Team synergy is one of the most interesting elements of marvel, but it means you can't just pick three characters you like and expect to have run away success (unless you love megaman x or devil may cry, etc., haha). Of course, none of this matters if you don't care about winning.
racketpunch
Member
I pick characters I like in every game regardless of them being OP. Unfortunately, I like Sentinel and hate Vergil.
Dyni Crippler
Member
You can play (just about) any character you like- you may not be able to pick their friends though
Exactly. lol
I've seen a number of teams with the point character being fairly unique with two "generic" companions.
I think you even have a reasonable selection of companions to pick from- people bandwagon hard in this game but there are a lot of very decent support characters.
Okay then, what do you guys think of my team: Ghost Rider on point and I don't know where to place Strange or Doom. I feel like Doom should be in the middle so I can start to learn the TAC infinite combos with him. I don't know though, who should be anchor? Strange or Doom? Assist wise I was thinking bolts for Strange, missles for Doom and idk heartless spire for Rider? I figure one is a direct cross screen projectile, one is a overheadish projectile that forces my opponent to either run at me or away from me, and one can be used to pick up knocked down opponents. I am open to suggestions, hell it's why I'm here in this thread.
I'd recommend playing GR/Doom/Strange. Assist-wise, I'm not sure for GR, but pick plasma beam for Doom (for the reasons Karst mentioned) and pick bolts for Strange- though it doesn't do much for GR, it's a very good assist for Doom, so when GR dies, you'll still have a strong duo.
Strange should be middle since there's a way to DHC to him for FoF loops. You could always use Strange mid combo if you want to TAC into Doom anyway. That and XF2 Strange plus assist or XF3 Doom is better than the other way around I feel. I'd use eye assist and missiles (and switch to plasma or rocks depending on matchup)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNtv7PhCFxE
There's also this hard tag setup with Vergil assist...might be possible with Doom if you tinker around with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xW7mx3KNjs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNtv7PhCFxE
There's also this hard tag setup with Vergil assist...might be possible with Doom if you tinker around with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xW7mx3KNjs
Karsticles
Member
Just the Shuma-Gorath/Ryu synergy. I'm curious what you have.
We need an evening time - I work.
I think this ends the discussion: Strange second. Ghost Rider has awful damage, and this solves it. Beautiful.
As for Dr. Strange's assist, you have arguments for all three options:
1) Bolts - mostly for Doom; it might have combos for GR, but no neutral value for him.
2) EoA - somewhat useful for GR lockdown and combo conversions, but horrible for Doom.
3) DoD - not a great assist in general, but Ghost Rider desperately needs an anti-air option, and this is all you have with your trio.
JohnPauliuk
Neo Member
Dante v Nova, actually.
Storm scales to 10% and would kill way faster than either of them.
We haven't quite see Slow TAC Infinites used as a competitive tactic in tournament play, but it's about time to see it. Putting your opponent down a character or two with ~20 seconds on the clock can really force mistakes, or a loss.
Marvel puts out more salt than Motron.
racketpunch
Member
We could also add Spencer into the mix.
Not unless you're rubeks, lolol
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
It's kinda funny I love Dante and Vergil character wise and think they are perfectly designed gameplay wise from their source material but I can't stand playing as them. Enough people play them so I get my fill that way.
Dyni Crippler
Member
I think Dante is perfect in Marvel. Great balance between possibilities and skill required.
Vergil, on the other hand...
Both Dante and Vergil were excellently designed, it makes me wish Neo_G had loved the Megaman series as much as DMC. ;_;
I like Dante but I can't bold cancel...
Huw_Dawson
Member
Sentinel would be a great point character if UMvC3 had decent invincible assists. Still a neat CMV though.
Karsticles
Member
I think that Gamma Charge AA is underused, and it's practically invincible.
Dat armor is serious.
Slasher makes great use of the assist.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
I think think hulk AA is fair cause even though it's practically invincible as a defensive tool it's near impossible to combo off of it.
Karsticles
Member
Also, you can bait the assist call and punish it still. I know I've gotten several Chaotic Flames off on Hulk, followed by Purication trains as Wright tries to hobble forward. The assist is very fair.
Cool video, I learned something about sentinel(XF3 jS -> Fly -> jH xx Unfly jH is a good damage extension for sure). I wish he'd put Sentinel's dirty instant overhead confirms off of any fuzzy setup in, though. IO jLH xx Fly, Unfly jLM combos on hit in any level XF and is a dirty overhead. I played JDog at NEC 14, and he had some seeeriously dirty Nemesis setups.
Personally, I think Hulk AA Assist is pretty bad. It's good at a low level of play, when people can't punish it, but once you're playing someone good, if you start calling it in the neutral you're gonna get him bopped. Even on hit, you can DHC out and punish it often.
PW is one of the only characters that makes it not completely doodoo, as it can be used to cover summoning maya barrier, and maya barrier can be used to protect it from standard punishes, which is pretty good synergy. It's still not "safe" by any means, though.
I used to use it on my Hulk/Sent/Dante team, as a ghetto jam session into jS setup, which was alright on incoming. After becoming more familiar with the team, though, I definitely prefer Gamma Wave, as it provides just as much support in the neutral and allows for much scarier combos and extensions.
Personally, I think Hulk AA Assist is pretty bad. It's good at a low level of play, when people can't punish it, but once you're playing someone good, if you start calling it in the neutral you're gonna get him bopped. Even on hit, you can DHC out and punish it often.
PW is one of the only characters that makes it not completely doodoo, as it can be used to cover summoning maya barrier, and maya barrier can be used to protect it from standard punishes, which is pretty good synergy. It's still not "safe" by any means, though.
I used to use it on my Hulk/Sent/Dante team, as a ghetto jam session into jS setup, which was alright on incoming. After becoming more familiar with the team, though, I definitely prefer Gamma Wave, as it provides just as much support in the neutral and allows for much scarier combos and extensions.
I think if Hulk came out a bit ahead of the point character it would be a much better assist. It whiffs a lot of stuff and a character like Vergil seems to always be outside its range even with poking with Lights/Mediums..
And Vergil is too perfectly designed in MVC3 (from DMC3) almost to a fault. Although a few of his attributes are legitimately bugged that make him OP.
And Vergil is too perfectly designed in MVC3 (from DMC3) almost to a fault. Although a few of his attributes are legitimately bugged that make him OP.
Dyni Crippler
Member
For PW players: is there any trick to use the Missile assist? It comes in too slow for me to use it as an OTG.
Depends on what point character you're using, but usually calling it during the first launcher, doing air magic series, by the time you land Missile should be there.
Dyni Crippler
Member
Well, Wright's the point, but I usually move him out if he gets his Turnabout, so I wanted to get the best ouf of his assist. Still, that's what I was doing and it didn't work, but I guess I timed it wrong. I'll try again later.
Yeah, it also depends on who you're trying to do it with since you may need to delay the timing/shorten the series
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
Missile works for really slow finishing moves. It's not good for mid combo extensions but rather good for end combo extensions that end slowly. It use really is character dependent. It is the weakest projectile in the game but it is a low traveling assist.
Karsticles
Member
Missile has 5 hit points last I checked, so it has average durability, not weak durability. It's on par with a Soul Fist or Hadoken. Plus it's small, so a lot of assists won't hit Missile. I think it's a great assist, and I actually wish we could see a Morrigan player use it since her overhead game is so strong. Plus, Shadow Blade is roughly as good as Gamma Charge AA as a "get off me".
JohnPauliuk
Neo Member
Besides supers Mystic Ray and Jam Session assists are the only ways I can think of clearing missiles.
Missiles are very good for Ghost Rider because it pins people down and allows you to control more space. If I played GR I'd probably run GR y/Haggar a/ Doom b.
Also I've come to the conclusion that the kind of Denjin combo team mate I'm looking for is if I'm already in Denjin when I start the combo or else it scales far too much. So if anyone can help by trying combos with assists where you start in Denjin mode I'd be very thankful. Since everyone has a different mind different results can be produced
Karsticles
Member
Missile, not missiles!Besides supers Mystic Ray and Jam Session assists are the only ways I can think of clearing missiles.
Missiles are very good for Ghost Rider because it pins people down and allows you to control more space. If I played GR I'd probably run GR y/Haggar a/ Doom b.
Also I've come to the conclusion that the kind of Denjin combo team mate I'm looking for is if I'm already in Denjin when I start the combo or else it scales far too much. So if anyone can help by trying combos with assists where you start in Denjin mode I'd be very thankful. Since everyone has a different mind different results can be produced
If you just want the best combo extender, probably an OTG assist or ground bounce.
Dyni Crippler
Member
Rank up to Lord 6!
Yeah, I know, nobody cares, but I just wanted to share the joy. Getting this far with such a crappy team wasn't easy at all!
Yeah, I know, nobody cares, but I just wanted to share the joy. Getting this far with such a crappy team wasn't easy at all!
Congrats. Every rank up feels great.
Karsticles
Member
What team and system?
It's best to rank up on a new release. I got all the way to 4th the weekend Ultimate came out. ;-D
JohnPauliuk
Neo Member
Congrats dude, I've been told it's hard to rank up while staying balanced.
Dyni Crippler
Member
Wright/Frank/Spencer on PS3.
1:40 seconds is actually only ~60 marvel seconds :]
great music choice tbh.
Karsticles
Member
That's it, I need to dedicate a weekend day to play all these new guys.
Undoubtedly.