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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT4| Nothing Stops This Patch!
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Karsticles
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Before I finished your post I thought "Ibuki!" Give Sakura a try, too.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
Yea I could tell it was a new team for you because I thought you hated playing Doom. You always have a different team every time we play but you always have Dorm somewhere in there, to always fall back on. At first I think the first ten games it was a struggle for Doom at the match start because you were getting into the groove with the character and after that you were doing much better. Once you learned to just spam Plasma Beam against (so fucking annoying for me) Wright, I feel I lost the edge at the start of the match. It was a good thing I had a good evidence pool for that set because against Plasma Beam the shield doesn't do shit and you can spam it faster than I can pick up evidence. Hulk gets zoned easily and I get bopped far too much against foot dive with Wesker. So in my head once I eliminated Doom the match up get's far easier. Your Sentinel is good but I am never afraid of that character.
Man blocking a foot dive and X-Factoring into launcher with Wesker feels so good.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
I wanna say Guy. Flipping around the stage and going for resets. Sounds kinda Felcia like to me.
Karsticles
Member
The next level of broken, featuring Morrigan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYQAYBrtg7g
And FYI, I was using 2 versions of Plasma Beam for different startups to peg Wright at various occasions. So it took more effort than spam...and I used Molecular Shield sometimes! Even though it never really seemed to help me.
Dormammu will always be my main, and I'm always trying to figure out a team that I love playing that makes him work. While I enjoy playing Firebrand, I don't like how my Firebrand team falls apart so easily once either Shuma-Gorath is snapped in or Firebrand dies. Dormammu is not good at surviving incoming mix-ups...I like that this team gives me a lot of interesting options to work with in terms of formations and DHCs. I don't think subbing Sentinel out for Dr. Strange would be as good.
I'm also having something of a rebirth of my love affair with Sentinel. I was a Sentinel main in MvC2, and I main Painwheel in Skullgirls, who is basically a fair version of MvC2 Sentinel, so I want to pick him up again in Marvel 3. I also use Dr. Shoals in Dive Kick, which helps me realize how much I like Doom's priority. Really, Doom is my kind of character, it just took me a very long time to figure that out. I got caught up needing his assist, which meant I had to play him alone, and I really don't like anchoring Doom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYQAYBrtg7g
I should have X-Factored that Foot Dive. :-( Or can I cancel it into Photon Array?
And FYI, I was using 2 versions of Plasma Beam for different startups to peg Wright at various occasions. So it took more effort than spam...and I used Molecular Shield sometimes! Even though it never really seemed to help me.
Dormammu will always be my main, and I'm always trying to figure out a team that I love playing that makes him work. While I enjoy playing Firebrand, I don't like how my Firebrand team falls apart so easily once either Shuma-Gorath is snapped in or Firebrand dies. Dormammu is not good at surviving incoming mix-ups...I like that this team gives me a lot of interesting options to work with in terms of formations and DHCs. I don't think subbing Sentinel out for Dr. Strange would be as good.
I'm also having something of a rebirth of my love affair with Sentinel. I was a Sentinel main in MvC2, and I main Painwheel in Skullgirls, who is basically a fair version of MvC2 Sentinel, so I want to pick him up again in Marvel 3. I also use Dr. Shoals in Dive Kick, which helps me realize how much I like Doom's priority. Really, Doom is my kind of character, it just took me a very long time to figure that out. I got caught up needing his assist, which meant I had to play him alone, and I really don't like anchoring Doom.
Would like the same question applied to me, been learning lots of AE lately but can't really get a grasp on what character would fit me best.
Also that Morrigan TAC combo is complete bullshit, LOL, can't wait to see that applied.
Makoto, Adon or Yun.
Karsticles
Member
This is what I have for the Marvel patch talk; if anything is out of date in terms of Y/N votes, let me know. Frantic and Zissou, be sure to talk about your thoughts on the Firebrand unblockable situation (do we write up 2 versions, etc.)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah4zxqcb0_eodHVySXhJc1pUVXhJM1JmcGxmWEdldlE#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah4zxqcb0_eodHVySXhJc1pUVXhJM1JmcGxmWEdldlE#gid=0
Parallax Scroll
Banned
The Morrigan TAC also demonstrates a new way to do TAC infinites: cancelling the attack as you land into a ground special instead of a jump, then flight-canceling the special, all without losing your TAC state.
I like submitting two versions of the Firebrand changes, personally. I can't view the google doc- can you give me permission? I requested it a couple minutes ago.
Karsticles
Member
Oops, I thought anyone could see it. Ask for permission and I will grant it.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
Does anyone here besides Karst play Dorm? I wanna go against some Dorm players. I don't come across them too often.
Karsticles
Member
Sorcerer Supreme does iirc, but that is it.
Nah its still on going. System mechanics are done and so is the first third of the roster.
Karsticles
Member
I gave permission to 3 people today, which makes 4 total. So someone just wants to watch what's going on. ;-)
I made the permission view-only to ensure the actual votes happen in here. Now you all know where you are in the voting process on the current patch note list.
So Zissou wants two Firebrand versions, Dahbomb wants two Firebrand versions, and Frantic? I don't recall your vote. I'll go with whatever the majority decides.
I made the permission view-only to ensure the actual votes happen in here. Now you all know where you are in the voting process on the current patch note list.
So Zissou wants two Firebrand versions, Dahbomb wants two Firebrand versions, and Frantic? I don't recall your vote. I'll go with whatever the majority decides.
While I don't particularly mind two different versions, I'm not sure how well that would look whenever we make the list 'public' so to speak. There'd be two versions for a character, and it'd kinda look like we don't know what to do with Firebrand. I'll think about it some.
We really should be looking at FotF. I don't think accelerating HSD on it would really fix the issue as someone already brought up. Not sure how we can fix it because lowering hit stun would prevent the swag loops. I guess you can reduce the damage of the FotF projectile itself, would cut down meter gain as well.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Makoto or Seth but Seth is gonna get torn up in the patch.
Thanks Karst.
I played a bit as Sakura this weekend. She seems like a good fit.
Thanks Slasher.
I'll try Guy too.
Iirc he has an air grab, which sounds good to me.
I'll give these a try as well.
Karsticles
Member
How does HSD acceleration not fix it? We don't want to just drop the damage, because part of the problem is how long the combo is.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Seth is definitely the best character for making your opponent feel like they have no good choices and no time to make them, but it's a bad time to learn him with the nerfs coming. Makoto, Abel and Dudley are the pure rushdown/reset mania characters remaining, and Makoto is the strongest of the three. There are stronger rushdown characters, but they're more about the vortex and consistent pressure than resets.
Rolento is coming though, so he could wind up a solid option as well.
Rolento is coming though, so he could wind up a solid option as well.
I play a guy who mains Guy, and he definitely has an air grab. I'm not one hundred percent certain, but I'm pretty sure that if you whiff the air throw, he comes down with a strike, so it's not terrible even then. And he drops straight down, not a whole lot of characters can change their air momentum like that.
shaowebb
Member
Good luck with the patch. I wish you all the best of luck with that. If Iron Fist is repaired properly I'll come back and see what its like and decide if I'll commit. For now though its KoF XIII still for me. Injustice quickly dropped to casual due to excessive flowchart boredom. Fun for awhile, good enough for tourney, but not enough to keep me excited personally.
I don't know if he's really my style, I hate charge characters
EDIT:
Just got wrecked by a Makoto player online... Makoto seems fun.
Because the move is used late into a combo when HSD is already maxed out. Before that Strange players are fine using Impact Palm loops and once the HSD gets high they start using FotF loops.
Karsticles
Member
HSD is not maxed out when he does it, otherwise he couldn't do it. IP loops eventually drop because of high HSD. Eventually they recover too quickly from the relaunch. We could also drop his max special damage scaling a bit, though. Or I could just mention that in the annotated patch notes.
AnkiRendan
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I think I've finally hit gold. I went to a local yesterday and decided to try Taskmaster/Hsien-Ko/Ammy. Ammy supports both of them so well, and watching some old Moons/Adelheid/LLND matches definitely gives me some ideas...
Scaling won't do anything to the meter gain. Without seeing the accelerated HSD in action it's hard to say how much of an impact it would have (no pun intended).
Same here, but once I started playing with him more it became easier to deal with it. It's just like how I don't like playing Hulk in Marvel because of his charge stuff.
A match for the ages:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7gBX4bUUjsU
Also features some legitimate Iron Man/Spider Man play.
Viscant just did a fairly extensive interview on UMVC3 going forward. He states top 5 characters are Zero, Vergil, Morrigan, Doom and Magneto at #5. Says that Magneto is the cut off character and is the weakest of the 5 ie. jack of all trades master of non.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7gBX4bUUjsU
Also features some legitimate Iron Man/Spider Man play.
Viscant just did a fairly extensive interview on UMVC3 going forward. He states top 5 characters are Zero, Vergil, Morrigan, Doom and Magneto at #5. Says that Magneto is the cut off character and is the weakest of the 5 ie. jack of all trades master of non.
So I guess he considers C. Viper as having too high of a skill barrier, huh?
"God's Beard!"
Member
But Magneto beats all 4 of those other characters. Except maybe Doom.
What keeps Viper out of top 5 imo are her awful normals.
Viper is #6.
Has nothing to do with skill barrier. Has more to do with characters like Morrigan and Zero beating her in the match up.
That sounds awfully close to Jwong's tier list, I wonder how much he agrees with it.
edit: I don't know why I said that, of course those characters would be top 5.
Karsticles
Member
See? Spider-man is too good.
Viewtiful Joe's bombs turning Herald when he throws them out with that colour is a neat touch. I wonder if that's the case for other projectiles.
So good he lost to Phoenix Wright. :/
Karsticles
Member
Turnabout Wright is the great destroyer. Even Dark Phoenix cowers.
Anyway, if anyone on the committee has not read Viscant'satest interview, I recommend doing so. It definitely makes me uneasy about our Frank West.
Showed up as a retweet from Moonz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWMV-l9nPv4
Some sick stuff, mostly DAT Jill TAC Infinite, which I believe someone here got hit with , wonder if it's the same user.
Edit: Also someone correct me if I'm wrong but Jill can't block when in Mad Beast correct? But she cancels into Mad Beast to avoid getting hit by Frank's Shopping Cart super. /confused.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWMV-l9nPv4
Some sick stuff, mostly DAT Jill TAC Infinite, which I believe someone here got hit with , wonder if it's the same user.
Edit: Also someone correct me if I'm wrong but Jill can't block when in Mad Beast correct? But she cancels into Mad Beast to avoid getting hit by Frank's Shopping Cart super. /confused.
If you are concerned about Frank West due to Viscant then you should first shift your attention to Trish and X23 because Viscant thinks those two characters are good but we gave those two 10 buffs each. Pales in comparison to what Frank got.
Unless Frank lvl1 becomes a High tier character, Frank overall will never be a top 5 character. You can make lvl4 Frank even better, it wouldn't raise him in tiers because if you don't get that hit and level him up your are sitting there with a bad character. That's the risk/reward that goes into playing the character. Frank is only as good as the team he is on.
Unless Frank lvl1 becomes a High tier character, Frank overall will never be a top 5 character. You can make lvl4 Frank even better, it wouldn't raise him in tiers because if you don't get that hit and level him up your are sitting there with a bad character. That's the risk/reward that goes into playing the character. Frank is only as good as the team he is on.
Trying to make up a wall bounce only DHC for Vergil Spiral Swords for when the combo starts with a foot dive. The most reliable combo I have so far is:
activate, cut, helm, s h > cut, cr H > stinger
Anyone know of anything better? (and by better I mean more consistent without sacrificing dmg)
activate, cut, helm, s h > cut, cr H > stinger
Anyone know of anything better? (and by better I mean more consistent without sacrificing dmg)