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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread

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Eidan

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Kettch said:
Even if you didn't think the battle at the wall was perfect, it was still nice to see considering how everything else in the north has been screwed up. Mance having no presence whatsoever, the Halfhand being completely forgettable, Ghost having 1 scene per season and no battle at the fist at all.

The story lines up there lost everything interesting, so I'm glad at least something worked out.
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The Halfhand was forgettable in the books as well.
 
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Been listening the S04 OST on Youtube endlessly, particularly The Children. Hype is through the roof with this episode. Fuck! Can't wait.
 
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Eidan said:
The Halfhand was forgettable in the books as well.
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I usually read posts here before I read the name here. I only look at the name if I want to see who posted something. I know this was Eagan before I saw the name. No one else would say something this crazy.
 
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Razzer

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I completely forgot to post here after seeing last weeks ep, so I guess the only thing left to say that hasn't already is that Tormund was completely badass in the battle. Dude took all comers and kept on chugging.
 
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TONIGHT:
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BELIEVE
 
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Valhelm said:
I completely disagree. He was more memorable than Dick Crabb, Maribald, Penny, or other such secondary characters.
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Nimble Dick was one of the highlights of AFFC in my opinion. I really enjoyed the guided tour he gave Brienne through the Cracklaw Point (sp?), especially the small historical tales he offered once in a while. Characters like Nimble Dick makes the world come alive.
 
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Guesong said:
But did she?

I mean we never saw it in the show, was strongly implied in the books IIRC, but as far as the show goes that'd be Tyrion telling a huge lie to Jaime.
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She sure did. Remember the beginning of the season Qyburn was asking her if his remedy helped her symptoms and she said yes, but also refused to tell Jaime what it was about? Lots of folks think it was moon tea he was making her.
 
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Eidan

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1138 said:
Nimble Dick was one of the highlights of AFFC in my opinion. I really enjoyed the guided tour he gave Brienne through the Cracklaw Point (sp?), especially the small historical tales he offered once in a while. Characters like Nimble Dick makes the world come alive.
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Characters like him make the story grind to a halt if you ask me.

I understand that a lot of people like knowing historical details about the world. I do too. But it has limits. Details about locations that are ultimately unimportant for the story just feel like bloat. A great example is the Wolf's Den. I don't give a shit about the history of a dungeon that I will likely never see again in the narrative.

Want to tell me about the history of the Wall, or Harrenhal, or how the Red Keep came to be? Sure, go for it. But don't feel the need to tell me about the Teats outside of Pennytree. I don't care.
 
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Oh god, in just a couple hours.

Tywin dies, Shae dies, Mountain vs. Brienne, Arya leaves on the ship, STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS *nods*...

The best book in the series comes to a close tonight. I might cry, furreal friends.
 
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joliefaire

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SO strange--GRRM's livejournal lists tonight's episode at 116 minutes !!?? Obviously, its not going to be nearly two hours long, HBO has it at 66 minutes. But, how the hell did that happen? I'm wondering if he got hacked. Not like him to say 'cool.' Or maybe, some kind of auto-correct screw-up?

Longest episode of the season. One of the things I love about HBO is that you can take as long as you need to tell your story, you're not locked into the rigid 46-minutes-and-change-to-the-second of the broadcast networks. This one will go 116 minutes, it says. Cool.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/375768.html
 
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Halfhand was pretty badass in the show, actually. It's probably a matter of good/lucky casting (again), but the character worked remarkably well, considering how much of the north-of-the-wall stuff had been (sometimes inexplicably) cut.
 
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Eidan

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Farmboy said:
Halfhand was pretty badass in the show, actually. It's probably a matter of good/lucky casting (again), but the character worked remarkably well, considering how much of the north-of-the-wall stuff had been (sometimes inexplicably) cut.
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A lot of it was because of weather. They were filming in pretty harsh conditions.
 
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Eidan said:
A lot of it was because of weather. They were filming in pretty harsh conditions.
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A little OT, but the scenes where the wind is super harsh are some of my favorites. The scene 2 weeks ago with the Boltons was fantastic. I felt like I was there.
 
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Halfhand in the books was cool because he was built up as this badass by other Night's Watch guys and then he was able to teach Jon some things about leadership that made his move to Lord Commander a bit more believable.

TV Halfhand suffered since so much of the material with Jon was cut in order to give him more time with Ygritte.
 
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Steelyuhas

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gregor7777 said:
A little OT, but the scenes where the wind is super harsh are some of my favorites. The scene 2 weeks ago with the Boltons was fantastic. I felt like I was there.
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Haha I was thinking the dialogue in that scene must have been 100%ADR. There's no way they picked up anything but wind when they shot that.
 
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Eidan

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Jibbajabbawockky said:
Halfhand in the books was cool because he was built up as this badass by other Night's Watch guys and then he was able to teach Jon some things about leadership that made his move to Lord Commander a bit more believable.

TV Halfhand suffered since so much of the material with Jon was cut in order to give him more time with Ygritte.
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A fair trade off if you ask me. Ygritte is a far more important character.
 
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Kettch

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Eidan said:
The Halfhand was forgettable in the books as well.
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I completely disagree with that. He was the most memorable character in ACoK.

The show turned him into an incompetent moron. The only thing they got right was that he died, and they didn't even do that well.
 
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Eidan

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Kettch said:
I completely disagree with that. He was the most memorable character in ACoK.

The show turned him into an incompetent moron. The only thing they got right was that he died, and they didn't even do that well.
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Nah. Jaqen was far more notable to me, and I didn't even like the Arya storyline.

Also, it should be noted that characters like Stannis, Melisandre, and Davos were all introduced in ACOK. Halfhand was an also-ran.
 
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TestOfTide

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bengraven said:
Oh god, in just a couple hours.

Tywin dies, Shae dies, Mountain vs. Brienne, Arya leaves on the ship, STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS *nods*...

The best book in the series comes to a close tonight. I might cry, furreal friends.
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mountain vs brienne isn't until season 6 or 7
 
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CassSept

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I know it's petty but I can't wait to see non-book readers reaction to Tywin's death. The entire sequence is so good and so mindblowing. From Tyrion miraculously escaping, to killing Shae, to finally killing Tywin and escaping to Essos. Tomorrow is going to be so great for reactions.
 
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joliefaire said:
SO strange--GRRM's livejournal lists tonight's episode at 116 minutes !!?? Obviously, its not going to be nearly two hours long, HBO has it at 66 minutes. But, how the hell did that happen? I'm wondering if he got hacked. Not like him to say 'cool.' Or maybe, some kind of auto-correct screw-up?

Longest episode of the season. One of the things I love about HBO is that you can take as long as you need to tell your story, you're not locked into the rigid 46-minutes-and-change-to-the-second of the broadcast networks. This one will go 116 minutes, it says. Cool.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/375768.html
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Oh man, if only.
 
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Showaddy

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joliefaire said:
SO strange--GRRM's livejournal lists tonight's episode at 116 minutes !!?? Obviously, its not going to be nearly two hours long, HBO has it at 66 minutes. But, how the hell did that happen? I'm wondering if he got hacked. Not like him to say 'cool.' Or maybe, some kind of auto-correct screw-up?

http://grrm.livejournal.com/375768.html
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Bit weird that, I know he wants another 3 episodes but he'll be even more disappointed when the episode ends 40 minutes early...

Also lol why is GRRM so obsessed with people not commenting on the show when he blogs about the show?
 
bengraven

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It's only 66. I think he added a few minutes.

Also, yes, I meant Hound vs. Brienne.



That said, happy father's day to Tywin!


Edit: LOL

GRRM's NotABlog said:
Oh, and it's on Father's Day as well. How... ah... special.
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elrechazado

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Eidan said:
The Halfhand was forgettable in the books as well.
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Ahh eidan who never met a thing that was good in the books is back. I was starting to worry after you asked for proof that stannis in the books was any better than the show, got pages and pages of people pointing out why and never responded.
Lothar said:
I usually read posts here before I read the name here. I only look at the name if I want to see who posted something. I know this was Eagan before I saw the name. No one else would say something this crazy.
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Ayup
 
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Eidan

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elrechazado said:
Ahh eidan who never met a thing that was good in the books is back. I was starting to worry after you asked for proof that stannis in the books was any better than the show, got pages and pages of people pointing out why and never responded.
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Back? I never left, love.

I remember that question, but I asked during work, and never got the chance to check the replies. Point me to your response, and I'll gladly give you a response.
 
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Razzer

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Eidan said:
Back? I never left, love.

I remember that question, but I asked during work, and never got the chance to check the replies. Point me to your response, and I'll gladly give you a response.
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I believe the gist was in how Stannis in the books is about the two sides telling him what to do in Davos and Melisandre, with the key difference being he listens to Davos in the key moments in the books and Melisandre in the show.

There is some other stuff but It will take a while to go trawling for better posts than mine.

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Right. That's a scene that's about Stannis coming to the realization that his duty and honor requires him to be defending the realm, not fighting to be king.

Show Stannis only wants to be king (see the Inside the Episode from episode 3 of this season where David spells this out) and does whatever Mel tells him to do. In fact, he's coming to the Wall not to defend the realms of Men, like book Stannis, but because Mel agreed to it.

It's a deviation that changes the core of that character.
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Yeah - the "k Davos guess I won't kill you but I still want to" part of that scene was so bad.
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'If not for my Hand, I might not have come at all. Lord Seaworth is a man of humble birth, but he reminded me of my duty, when all I could think of was my rights. I had the cart before the horse, Davos said. I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne. '

He can't really say this now :(
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This post

Stannis' desires for the throne are definitely tangled up in a lot of family issues with his brothers. People focus on Stannis' moral code a lot, but his relationship with his brothers is probably just as central to the character, just less overt. Getting the throne makes him finally Robert's equal, after a lifetime of Robert looking down on him. And his younger brother not respecting him either was just salt in the wound. And he latches onto other people as sort of replacement brothers, first with Davos, and then with Jon once he thinks Davos is dead. You can also see his extreme jealousy towards Ned Stark, who in his mind I think basically usurped his place as Robert's brother.

The show never really gets that though. His relationship with Davos feels much less close, his relationship with Robert isn't explored in any particular depth, and he's much less resistant of Melisandre and more willing to bend his morals for religion. He outright denies Melisandre's request to sacrifice Edric in the book, even after two of the three usurpers are dead, whereas in the show he's like SACRIFICE TIME the moment Robb dies.
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There's a few to start with.
 
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joliefaire

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Can I post a just-leaked spoiler pic from tonight's episode if I put it in spoiler tags? Don't want to get in trouble here!
 
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Eidan

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Razzer said:
I believe the gist was in how Stannis in the books is about the two sides telling him what to do in Davos and Melisandre, with the key difference being he listens to Davos in the key moments in the books and Melisandre in the show.

There is some other stuff but It will take a while to go trawling for better posts than mine.
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I assume you're talking about the letter scene. If I remember correctly, in the books the chapter ends before Davos reads the letter, and we later hear what happened from Stannis after he saves the Watch. That Davos convinced him that his true purpose was to save Westeros from the Others. The only difference I remember from the show was that it's both Davos and Melisandre selling Stannis on the move to the Wall.

EDIT: Hm, I see the point made about Stannis not seeming incredibly sold on his purpose being to save Westeros, as it's clear that his top priority is still to win the thrown, which I myself don't think is a huge deviation from the books (yet). Yes, he saves the Wall, but he is still largely preoccupied with pressing his claim to the thrown. Saving the Watch was an integral part in his plan to win over the North after all.

I guess I'm saying that I still always felt that Stannis' chief goal was to win the Iron Throne.
 
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Razzer

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Eidan said:
I assume you're talking about the letter scene. If I remember correctly, in the books the chapter ends before Davos reads the letter, and we later hear what happened from Stannis after he saves the Watch. That Davos convinced him that his true purpose was to save Westeros from the Others. The only difference I remember from the show was that it's both Davos and Melisandre selling Stannis on the move to the Wall.
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As pointed out in my edit, the difference is in the show Stannis sentences him to death (as in the books) then ignores Davos pleas to read the letter until Mel tells him to read it, whereas in the books he decides himself to hear Davos's case. Additionally, he comes into the room whilst resisting Mel' attempts to make him sacrifice Edric Storm, whilst in the show he is eager to do so. And the cart before the horse speech shows Stannis has come to understand the true ethics of duty.
 
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