Basileus777
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It's just a smaller group that tends to be a larger voice in the offseason for whatever reason. Most of us aren't quite that bitter. I'm pretty happy with how the last season turned out.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread
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I think most people are pretty happy with it, or else we wouldn't be here talking about it. The people who really hate it are a minority. Everyone has things they'd change, but for the most part I'm pretty happy.
Also this season is kind of unique since they're having to make much more major changes to adapt those last two books, since they're basically unfilmable as written, so as it's becoming clearer and clearer from production news what's being cut and changed, it's a lot more to swallow than what's been changed in the past, so that's probably why negativity is higher than normal right now.
They should rewrite whatever they have planned to work in an execution scene to bring him back. Man's earned it. It's kind if sad that he got better only after they outsourced his book role to Bronn.
Dragon1893
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Brienne kicking the Hound's ass was some awesome stuff.
I see. I need to start reading them. Maybe after the show is over, might get stuff mixed up in mind otherwise lol.
Oh man, I still get mixed up what's show versus what's book. And Brienne vs. the Hound was definitely the best major change they've made to date. You may want to stay clear of here until you're done reading though, since book 4/5 spoilers get dropped left and right here.
I quite liked the adaption, it's good. But, having read the books, you can't deny those are superior in every way. After the first season, it all became a bit too pulpy. Things played for laughs, trying to add drama/romantic stories, plot holes, etc. That's what popularity will do. Still really good show though, and the popularity is also great because it increases production value (Braavos shot, dragons, unsullied army, etc, all very well done). + it means more people reading the books which I consider a good thing.
Awesome news about Wilko!
I want to hear him cackle at Jaime!
They should rewrite whatever they have planned to work in an execution scene to bring him back. Man's earned it. It's kind if sad that he got better only after they outsourced his book role to Bronn.
I want to hear him cackle at Jaime!
This is amazing news, I'm so happy for him. Less than a year ago he was so accepting of death, it really felt like there wouldn't be a way out. If he's up to it, maybe there could be an awesome cameo of him later on in the series.
I've read the books, and have watched all four seasons, and I think the show has been fantastic. I may be a little disappointed by some things here and there, but overall, I'm loving this adaptation. I think the cast and crew and showrunners are doing a fantastic job remaining as true to the meat of the story as they can given real world things like time, budgets, actor availability, scope, etc. It's a huge undertaking, and for four seasons, they've performed more than admirably. This show could have been a clusterfuck in the execution, but it has come together so incredibly well.
I can't help but be pleased. We're still 3 seasons away from the end. That's another 30 hours of story they have to tell. 30 hours is an insane amount of time remaining, truth told. Especially when you consider most scenes in television are roughly 1-3 minutes long tops, with exceptions of course (the Purple Wedding was amazing. 20 minutes of one scene, but you didn't realize it was all one scene because the execution and build up of tension was so well done).
I don't know what Martin has planned for his last two books, but I think 30 hours of television remaining will be enough for the crew to do this epic tale justice. Nothing is perfect, and there are certainly stumbles along the way (as there are stumbles in GRRM's books as well), but this has already been 40 hours of great television for me so far.
EDIT: And Brienne vs The Hound was one of my favorite moments in the entire show outside of the Red Wedding. That fight was brutal, and just amazing to watch. My wife, who hates the show, really enjoyed last Season, with the exception of The Viper vs The Mountain (understandably so. lol).
Don't worry guys, we already have Euron...
Incandenza
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The end of that article seems to imply that Jorah will be replacing Griff aboard the Shy Maid. Is that confirmed?
Pretty sure there were pics of this a while back.
It was very clearly just the two of them on the boat.
And it's good to have confirmation on the ironborn stuff. Now no one has to stress about it until it's time for us to repeat this dance all over again when it's season 6 casting time.
Basileus777
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After watching season 5 it will probably be clear there are no plans at all for those Ironborn, so maybe not.
And then, when all hope is lost for Greyjoy fans, they blow them all away by casting Damphair.
Steelyuhas
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Yeah, assuming they stick to the seven seasons, I kind of find it hard to imagine they introduce a horde of Balon's brothers in season six.
They've established the relationships between Theon, Yara, and Balon. I assume they'll just stick to those three.
At that point you don't really need the full set though. I doubt Vic and Aeron survive terribly long in Winds, so by the time you're in season 6 you only really need Euron. That's a lot more manageable. I would still bet on him showing up in S6, but only if they somehow deal with Balon's death in S5. If that never gets mentioned, then yeah, the whole brood of uncles is gone for sure.
This show is dead to me.
Not really. Going by the wording, will it be in Season 6? Obviously I'm a huge fan of this storyline and really want to see it on TV.
I'm ready to see Daario throw Balon off a bridge in episode 10
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Guess that third leech wasn't shit.
Steelyuhas
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Yeah that's possible.
Yearly random Balon episode 10 death scene prediction.
So it looks like D&D had to choose between doing Dorne or the Iron Islands. Given Oberyns popularity and the terrible handling of Yara, it was obvious that the former would win out. Though it would have been interesting to see
Jaime and Bronn go to the Iron Islands. Especially a Jaime/Damphair fight scene lol.
Basileus777
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None of the leeches were shit.
RatskyWatsky
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Everyone's family plays an important role in their actions though.
And Jeyne Westerling (and her family) played a crucial role in not only Robb's betraying the Freys, but also in his entire character arc, and that was totally excised from the show; streamlined, if you will. Why shouldn't Theon's storyline have received the same treatment? Would anything of value have been lost? A scene with Yara here, a scene with Balon there. But ultimately?
Game of Thrones has been suffering from that problem from day one, bro. That's why I think the show would have been better served by having had far fewer characters and storylines from the start. That's the main thrust of my argument - big changes and omissions are fine (because it's impossible to do a direct adaptation of this book series without an unlimited budget and an unlimited number of episodes/seasons), but it's stupid for them to start making all these huge changes this late in game.
I think it would have solved a lot of the show's problems though - too many characters; not enough screen time (and by extension, development) for said characters; they would have been able to redistribute the budget (no need to pay all those other actors, no need to film in certain locations) more evenly, thus giving the rest of scenes more to work with (for example, maybe Dany's dragons could have looked a bit better, maybe we could have gotten some shadowcats/walrus'/polar bears during the Wall battle)
(if that is how budgets even work, idk lol)
Sure, the extreme purists would have been upset (as extreme purists always are, regardless of series) but I think it would have ended up satisfying a lot more people.*
*this is also assuming the writing staff would have been completely different and/or capable of making a good TV show on their own. So, some pretty big "ifs".
mmph
RatskyWatsky
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Basileus777
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The bar for being better than what TV Euron would have been isn't so high.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.
I think he'd need a movie to adapt his arc faithfully tbh. His budget would be through the roof bearing in mind how much money they have to spend on battles and ship CGI.
Enosh
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I didn't check this thread in ages but i'm glad I did today, that's great news
also read some 1 or 2 pages back, lol, this is going to be an "interesting" season, I honestly wonder just how different the final book will be to the show when all is done
Don't forget having to CGI his lava fist into every scene. Gotta have the lava fist.
I wonder what this show is still "adapting". Anyway, I'm still in for the spoilers.
Jibbajabbawockky
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Omitting the Ironborn stuff this year is either really smart or really dumb, depending on whether they just cut it from the show altogether.
On one hand, if they get around to Victarion, Euron and the Kingsmoot in Season 6, allowing them to flesh out Dorne this season, then that's a reasonable trade off. If they're just cutting Victarion and Euron completely? That's garbage since those two guys would translate wonderfully into awesome TV characters.
But if they're just holding off the Ironborn stuff until season 6, then what are they doing this year? Anything? Just leaving them out for a year? Would seem odd but I guess they've already done that with Rickon/Osha and possibly with Hodor this year.
I can't figure out whether these sorts of big plot cuts and alterations have simply been in the work for a while in the production of the show or if the showrunners are kind of just winging it season to season? Like Balon's death- come on, that's long overdue unless they're not going to do it until they can properly introduce Euron shortly after it happens.
On one hand, if they get around to Victarion, Euron and the Kingsmoot in Season 6, allowing them to flesh out Dorne this season, then that's a reasonable trade off. If they're just cutting Victarion and Euron completely? That's garbage since those two guys would translate wonderfully into awesome TV characters.
But if they're just holding off the Ironborn stuff until season 6, then what are they doing this year? Anything? Just leaving them out for a year? Would seem odd but I guess they've already done that with Rickon/Osha and possibly with Hodor this year.
I can't figure out whether these sorts of big plot cuts and alterations have simply been in the work for a while in the production of the show or if the showrunners are kind of just winging it season to season? Like Balon's death- come on, that's long overdue unless they're not going to do it until they can properly introduce Euron shortly after it happens.
PHOENIXZERO
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I think it was around six months ago when the word of Wilco Johnson surviving his originally thought to be terminal cancer, good to see he's doing well.
TBH, season four was the first season I saw after reading all the books so I had newly formed expectations and I'd probably put it just, ever so slightly above season two, I'm kind of glad I didn't read A Clash of Kings before seeing the second season because I probably be more negative towards it. There was only a few things that really disappointed me in season four but they mostly were minor and I could over look them for the most part, well aside from the mess they made of that Cersei/Jaime scene but there was one that really set me off because I was looking forward to the scene/interaction play out. Oberyn was awesome though and at least they pretty much nailed that and I'm at this point looking forward to season five in part because of the changes since it seems most of the stuff being cut or changed was stuff in AFfC and ADWD that I didn't particularly care for or have much interest in.
TBH, season four was the first season I saw after reading all the books so I had newly formed expectations and I'd probably put it just, ever so slightly above season two, I'm kind of glad I didn't read A Clash of Kings before seeing the second season because I probably be more negative towards it. There was only a few things that really disappointed me in season four but they mostly were minor and I could over look them for the most part, well aside from the mess they made of that Cersei/Jaime scene but there was one that really set me off because I was looking forward to the scene/interaction play out. Oberyn was awesome though and at least they pretty much nailed that and I'm at this point looking forward to season five in part because of the changes since it seems most of the stuff being cut or changed was stuff in AFfC and ADWD that I didn't particularly care for or have much interest in.
Incandenza
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I bet Balon dies offscreen this season if only because it's a weird loose thread to have one of the Five Kings be radio silent for like three years, but there's no way they go back and adapt the Kingsmoot stuff in season six. That's wayyy too late in the game to be like "Alright, now to spend a bunch of time with Theon's extended family of which we are only just now informing you." If D&D are adapting Winds and they somehow find themselves with enough time to throw in a subplot from Feast, something has gone wrong.
Wherearemahdragonz suggested that Balon and Asha might replace Euron and Victarion, and travel to Meereen to find Daenerys.
As far as I know, Balon is unmarried in the TV show.
You know, a skinny stereoid free Hugh Jackman would do for an amazing Damphair. It would be a waste, of course, but a good cast is good cast.
It's ridiculous enough that Victarion or Euron want to marry Dany, Balon would be directly stupid. Like Dexter stupid: "Oh, hey, I'm an old cranky iron islander with here my daughter ,who is scared of dogs btw (winks at Daario), and want to marry you, one of the most powerful people of the known world."
Well, maybe if they change the aproximation angle...
Moff
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maybe they'll use the "take the crown, pay the iron price" angle to let balon go after dany.
but it would be very weird to not have balon die soon after the included him in the leech scene. maybe drogon will rost him but that would be pretty late.
right now, I would still bet my money on season 6 euron
but it would be very weird to not have balon die soon after the included him in the leech scene. maybe drogon will rost him but that would be pretty late.
right now, I would still bet my money on season 6 euron
, who is already with dany
RatskyWatsky
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Ding ding ding!
I wouldn't be surprised if Yara was sent after Dany to marry her instead of Victarion.
PHOENIXZERO
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I thought last season made it very clear that they're just "winging it" from season to season.
badcrumble
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I wouldn't be super surprised to see them find a way to use Yara as a replacement for Victarion, honestly.
Dunno how they'll handle Euron, though.
Lactose_Intolerant
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I just wanted to see crazy victarion on a ship
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