cartoon_soldier
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread
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Where is this coming from? Don't make me break out the rat bucket.
Basileus777
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It's coming from NeoGiff, who writes for Watchers on the Wall.
How do we know it's him and not a faceless man? Can we do some sort of Thing-esque blood test?
As for the spoilers, pretty shocking if true. I'm not sure what they do with that storyline for the next two episodes.
A random commenter posted it on an article, but it does fit in with certain things we already know. Take it with many pinches of salt though because at this stage we have no clue if it's legit or not.
If it turns out to be true... I'll never forgive myself. I was offered an extra role as a wildling archer for the shooting of that scene, but had to turn it down.
If it turns out to be true... I'll never forgive myself. I was offered an extra role as a wildling archer for the shooting of that scene, but had to turn it down.
He addresses that specifically once though. Duty to family trumps duty to the king. Renly betrayed his family by claiming over his older brother.
Jesus I read that three times, then realized you meant good Mance.
Haha, I mostly browse GAF on my phone at work, and it really loves to autocorrect these things on me.
I like this. Gives Tormund a good death and hammers home his closeness with Jon in the end. It does kind of imply that Tormund may be screwed in the situation at the Wall at the end of Dance, but that's not a huge surprise. The merger of the slavers at Hardhome and a bit of the Weeper into the Rattleshirt character is also pretty smart. Lack of any mention of Mance does imply he'll be doing something else, while the presence of Rattleshirt kind of implies the glamour is out. It's weird, but I'll actually be really surprised if he ends up following his book plot.
Also, this makes the list for four characters not dead in the book but who will die this season pretty easy, with Meryn, Bronn, Grey Worm, and Tormund.
Also, this makes the list for four characters not dead in the book but who will die this season pretty easy, with Meryn, Bronn, Grey Worm, and Tormund.
biosnake20
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OK, that's pretty cool.
At this point I think it's safe to asume that the show is going to completely deviate from the books a la FMA, but I believe we can extract some future insight into them
For all we know Tormund is alive and well in the books and Jon is not going to Hardhome, but all this Night King foreshadowing (last season and this) might be a thing in TWOW.
Probably George told D&D that he was preparing things for the coming of the NK in TWOW and they decided to show him first.
Although I still believe the two big baddies in the books are Euron and Littlefinger.
Probably George told D&D that he was preparing things for the coming of the NK in TWOW and they decided to show him first.
Although I still believe the two big baddies in the books are Euron and Littlefinger.
Or maybe this is all just in fact made up, who knows.
TheCowboyPoet
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I figured Tormund would replace Sigorn in the Alys Karstark sublot creating House Giantsbane since Jon probably won't marry the Karstark girl to a cannibal... and I don't believe Tormund ever mentioned having a family in the TV series (unlike the books). Though, Tormund going out like a big damn hero sounds cool too.
I think the Alys Karstark/House Thenn plot is cut for sure, unless it's just insanely important later on. It's the sort of side-story they've never included, even in seasons less dense than this one.
That...actually sounds really good. I love it how
The Night's King appears to be playing a big role already. That seems like a death fit for Tormund as well. I really wonder how GRRM is going to bring about the Night's King in the books because obviously the character will be significant going forward.
biosnake20
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It's cool that they are making the night king more prominent now rather than later. I feel like in the books it will be more of a surprise.
Also they aren't pulling a FMA like some people are saying. Full metal went it's own way with no indication of what happens in the manga later and they literally made up their own story. D&D are moving things around and combining/cutting stuff but they're still telling the same story.
Also they aren't pulling a FMA like some people are saying. Full metal went it's own way with no indication of what happens in the manga later and they literally made up their own story. D&D are moving things around and combining/cutting stuff but they're still telling the same story.
badcrumble
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I guess that'd likely rule out a certain Roose Bolton theory.
The Hardhome leak/speculation reminds me of last season when there was speculation about what would go down with Yara at the Dreadfort, and there were all kinds of cool ideas about how she could get betrayed by Theon and captured, and Ramsay would take her out to die in a hunt, but she would pull off a badass escape and kill Ramsay's girlfriend in the process. And then the underwhelming scene we got was even more underwhelming because I was comparing it to that idea. Now I have to worry when an unconfirmed leak is too good sounding that it'll end up being better than what they actually do.
TheCowboyPoet
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Steelyuhas
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HBO has tweeted a poster (unclear if this is key art):
BobTheFork
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I DO NOT like the continuing spoiler talk about
Bronn Dying. I get that they are past his arc in the books and don't have much else for him. he's been a much bigger character in the show than the books but damnit I want him to enjoy his lordship
Yep. Had I taken the extras role, I would have shot for three full weeks as a wildling archer, with "a huge amount of athletic activity involved". It's going to be an incredible scene.
fallengorn
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GRRM level of trolling, but then again who knows.
badcrumble
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Here's hoping they're railroading Tyrion and Daenarys together really fast instead of treading water like all of Tyrion's Penny/pig-riding chapters.
BobTheFork
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That's what I think is going to happen. There were filming stills that made it look like they have cut a fair bunch out of that journey.
Still better than the season 3 dragon shadow!
The boat and fog make me think of the Sorrows, so now I wonder if the Stone Men are going to be replaced by an encounter with Drogon.
I was going to say, I thought Tyrion's posture/wardrobe looked familiar and Drogon was in the same pose.
The idea for the poster is great though, I think. And it's really not a bad Photoshop job (based on the fairly compressed pic we have here), but hopefully it's not official because it's lazy if so.
Doubtful the casual viewer will really care though. I know I dont.
That poster is awesome!!
biosnake20
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Wait that's actually real?
Steelyuhas
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Dénouement
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Yeah, when I first saw that poster on tumblr, I was like, "Ehhh, I've seen much better GoT fanart >.>" and yelled when I saw that the caption was "Official Season 5 Poster".
ToyMachine228
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I don't see Bronn dying as making a lot of sense with his character. He's all about himself and gaining. And he'he's not to be messed with. Living his days out and killing anyone who comes his way like in the books makes more sense. I know will go a different way with his character but I hope they stay true to his character'character's instincts and style.
GOT's YT channel has posted quality versions of those two new Sight videos, btw: https://www.youtube.com/user/GameofThrones/videos
pieatorium
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IMO sooner rather than later they need to get the white walkers into being a threat to Westeros and the world instead of just the wildlings and the wall. The last time they came it was an event that became known in the legends, myths, songs and religions from north of the wall to Asshai. If they dont then all this buildup they've had since the prologue seems like a waste. Martin can spend 30000 pages in the next books getting them involved but the show is more pressed for time.
Atraveller
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Just...scroll past, scroll.
bengraven
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About a month ago someone posted on Reeddit a very similar scene, though past that part.
MASSIVE POSSIBLE SPOILERS:
the men want to retreat, but Jon says no so they kill him. season ends with jon's body being taken away by walkers
RatskyWatsky
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That's a really poor promotional poster. Season 3's sucked as well (that was the one with the dragon shadow, right?).
Moff
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why would it?
the stabbing is an episode 10 moment and the spoilers say hardholme is episode 8, it also says it ends with jon escaping
I think there's a lot of room for improvement.
biosnake20
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Jon's revival will end the season.
For the sake of speculation, let's say that the Hardhome stuff is true insofar as they
, and "For the Watch" ends the season. That whole scene would have more weight than in the book.
Think about it from Marsh and the others' perspectives. Jon would just have
. Then, as if that wasn't enough, he starts publicly announcing that he's going head south towards the Boltons. It works on multiple levels - he's abandoning his post and vows, and prioritising a personal threat over an impending supernatural one.
Although if that's the case, it does make Marsh and co.'s actions a lot more understandable...
Edit: As a side-note, this made me go back and look at the Bowen Marsh casting announcement. He was originally slated to appear in three episodes, but his CV has since been amended to say he's in four. Interesting.
escape from the Night's King
Think about it from Marsh and the others' perspectives. Jon would just have
come back from a Wildling rescue operation he personally sanctioned and led, with a group of wildling refugees in tow - more mouths to feed
Although if that's the case, it does make Marsh and co.'s actions a lot more understandable...
Edit: As a side-note, this made me go back and look at the Bowen Marsh casting announcement. He was originally slated to appear in three episodes, but his CV has since been amended to say he's in four. Interesting.
Steelyuhas
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I don't think Hardhome in any way removes the reasoning for the stabbing, I still think the larger debate is if they want to "kill" a main character at the end of a season knowing that actions will be set in motion probably immediately to revive that character.
Agreed. They could easily do a long sequence of Jon returning to Castle Black and receiving the Pink Letter immediately thereafter entirely in episode 10. Hardhome in 8 doesn't really affect that at all. It just hinges on all the things that were talked about before we knew about Hardhome. Do they want to end on a cliffhanger that will be quickly undone at the beginning of the next season, and spend the entire filming period for season 6 trying to cover that fact up and shield Kit Harrington from paparazzi? And, since they can't really play events out of order like the book does in this sequence, do they have space to push the Stannis/Bolton plot far enough forward to have the Pink Letter make sense? I still just think if the Battle of Winterfell were in this season, it would be big enough that something would have come out, given that there have been multiple leaks around Hardhome, and I don't think they do For the Watch without also doing the Battle of Winterfell.
As for Bowen's episode count increasing, that seems more likely to be a product of him originally having two scenes in one episode, that were then split into two episodes. I don't think he like forgot his final scene or something when making the CV the first time.
WaffleTaco
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They could have Jon get stabbed at the end of E9, and end the season with his revival as the last scene.
Yeah, I don't think they'll have the stabbing in the season finale, no way to keep him returning for next season a secret for a year.
Yeah I just can't see them not ending on that scene.
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