Dragonborn
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The TV show will be about as canon as fan fiction, personally.
Obviously more weighty, but still fan fiction
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread
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The TV show will be about as canon as fan fiction, personally.
Obviously more weighty, but still fan fiction
Basileus777
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Officially licensed products aren't fanfiction, no matter how much you'd like it to be.
PhoenixDark
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Not fan fiction but irrelevant. The books are the main story, period. The show might as well be an alternate reality.
Basileus777
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It's an alternate continuity, which are nearly exactly the words I just used. It's not difficult too keep the two separate.
biosnake20
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It's just like my japanese anime!
higgsboson1997
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Why do things like what's canon or not even matter?
The TV show is already its own separate continuity due to the changes that have been made so far. There might be disagreement about which ending is better (a la Fullmetal Alchemist) but in terms of canon I think it should be fairly clear cut.
They don't, but people in lots of different fandoms love to argue about canonicity.
PHOENIXZERO
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The books is to Star Wars films what the show is to Star Wars books. Though GoT isn't the EU, it's more the CU... Constrained Universe. Each their own canon but the original source is the prime canon.
PhoenixDark
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How is the show not less legitimate than the books? The books are the official story, the show is the show.
Moff
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we will have that discussion for eternity, especially after the books are out and differ greatly from the show. luckily I don't care at all about which is more or less legitimate.
The books are the original and the show is an adaptation, but they're both "official" within their own separate spheres. I've liked the books better so far, but the show is it's own thing and I see no need to denigrate it even if I don't like all the choices they made in adapting it. I don't like all the choices GRRM made in writing the books either and I think there is potentially room for improvement.
The show has its own canon. It's different. Book canon is as irrelevant towards show canon as show canon is towards the books, except where they overlap.
bengraven
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If the show is not legit, then the Wizard of Oz movie isn't either.
The WoO took massive changes to the book, from adding the farm hands, Ms. Gulch, and Professor Marvel, to the Toto in trouble/running away subplot, to taking out huge parts of the book like Chinatown and the river and the field mice rescuing them from the flowers. The Witch of the West wasn't green, she was a one-eyed, crumpled up hag. And yet it's one of the most beloved films of all time.
It's just an adaptation. There have been several other adaptations and each stood on their own. Same goes for Sherlock Holmes and the same will go for Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter when they eventually re-boot those series.
We had a website like that for Dragons.
I guess they took it down, but it was isdancewithdragonsoutyet.com and until release it was just a white page with big black "NO" on it.
The WoO took massive changes to the book, from adding the farm hands, Ms. Gulch, and Professor Marvel, to the Toto in trouble/running away subplot, to taking out huge parts of the book like Chinatown and the river and the field mice rescuing them from the flowers. The Witch of the West wasn't green, she was a one-eyed, crumpled up hag. And yet it's one of the most beloved films of all time.
It's just an adaptation. There have been several other adaptations and each stood on their own. Same goes for Sherlock Holmes and the same will go for Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter when they eventually re-boot those series.
We had a website like that for Dragons.
I guess they took it down, but it was isdancewithdragonsoutyet.com and until release it was just a white page with big black "NO" on it.
biosnake20
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Episode 1-3 summaries leak from spoilertv
-- Episode #41: The Wars to Come: Cersei and Jaime adjust to a world without Tywin. Varys reveals a conspiracy to Tyrion. Dany faces a new threat to her rule. Jon is caught between two kings. (Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Michael Slovis.) (TV-MA) [AC, AL, GV, N] ESP Playdates: 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 and 24
-- Episode #42: The House of Black and White: Arya arrives in Braavos. Pod and Brienne run into trouble on the road. Cersei fears for her daughters safety in Dorne as Ellaria Sand seeks revenge for Oberyns death. Stannis tempts Jon. An adviser tempts Dany. (Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Michael Slovis.) (TVMA) [AC, AL, V] ESP Playdates: 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25
-- Episode #43: High Sparrow: In Braavos, Arya sees the Many-Faced God. In Kings Landing, Queen Margaery enjoys her new husband. Tyrion and Varys walk the Long Bridge of Volantis. (Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Mark Mylod.) (TV-MA) [AC, AL, GV, N] ESP Playdates: 26, 27, 28, 29 and 30
-- Episode #42: The House of Black and White: Arya arrives in Braavos. Pod and Brienne run into trouble on the road. Cersei fears for her daughters safety in Dorne as Ellaria Sand seeks revenge for Oberyns death. Stannis tempts Jon. An adviser tempts Dany. (Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Michael Slovis.) (TVMA) [AC, AL, V] ESP Playdates: 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25
-- Episode #43: High Sparrow: In Braavos, Arya sees the Many-Faced God. In Kings Landing, Queen Margaery enjoys her new husband. Tyrion and Varys walk the Long Bridge of Volantis. (Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Mark Mylod.) (TV-MA) [AC, AL, GV, N] ESP Playdates: 26, 27, 28, 29 and 30
Dragonborn
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They really don't. I was just chiming in on the topic of which one would be the "real ending".
People are perfectly free to take the TV ending as gospel if they so wish
Episode 2:
Stannis' offer of Winterfell to Jon is happening! Also, no idea what the temptation of Dany is? Maybe Daario wanting to execute one of the Sons and Barristan convincing her to spare him?
Episode 3:
Already creeped out by Margaery enjoying Tommen.
On another note, HBO is released the next installment of the "Catch the Throne" free mixtape series. Apparently, this second version will feature Snoop Dogg, Method Man, Yandel, and include a couple of metal mixes from Anthrax and Killswitch Engage. They just released a preview with Talib Kweli's "Lord of Light:"
http://www.complex.com/music/2015/03/talib-kweli-lord-of-the-light-game-of-thrones-mixtape-premeire
Also, here's a link to the first mixtape, I think the best song is "Arya's Prayer:"
http://www.complex.com/music/2014/0...ixtape-stream-wale-big-boi-common-bodega-bamz
You can definitely tell which artists are true fans of the show or books.
http://www.complex.com/music/2015/03/talib-kweli-lord-of-the-light-game-of-thrones-mixtape-premeire
Also, here's a link to the first mixtape, I think the best song is "Arya's Prayer:"
http://www.complex.com/music/2014/0...ixtape-stream-wale-big-boi-common-bodega-bamz
You can definitely tell which artists are true fans of the show or books.
Let me knowit's not a particularly substantive discussion, but if you want analysis of key art, THIS IS THE PODCAST FOR YOU.
Which? Share your take!
Incandenza
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Tyrion already in Volantis is interesting. It strongly suggests Faegon's been totally cut, for one thing. Also makes me wonder how long the slave arc is gonna last before he ends up in Dany's court.
Agreed Arya's goes hard.
Tommen is a teen in the show now, though.
bengraven
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It also confirms that
Varys will be with him, probably up until he's kidnapped. Love it, love me some Varys.
I'm going to be super disappointed if the second half of the season doesn't have 'Wherever Whores Go' as the subtitle for each of the episodes.
Currently rereading the series and I got to ADWD yesterday, the most traumatic writing of the series and it's before the prologue:
Memento Mori
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Currently rereading the series and I got to ADWD yesterday, the most traumatic writing of the series and it's before the prologue:
I particularly enjoyed the author's note at the end of AFFC dated June 2005 where GRRM states DWD would be released the year after. It came out six years after.
I remember reading that on my first read through of the series, which ended up being about a year or two before DWD came out, thinking to myself, "Heh, glad I won't have to suffer through a wait like that!"
Oh how foolish I was.
biosnake20
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This also confirms Ellaria is taking some of Ariannes story this season just like we guessed.
kame-sennin
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Amazing. I knew Kweli was a huge nerd.
Currently rereading the series and I got to ADWD yesterday, the most traumatic writing of the series and it's before the prologue:
This was pretty jarring to me after reading the whole series for the first time last year. Like, first AFFC ends with a goddamn apology which was hilarious. But, then he says "don't worry I was trying to make one big book and thus decided to just cut it in half to get it out quicker, the remaining half will be out next year." Then I crack open ADWD and see that it's dated 2011...
Dude, took six years to write what he proclaimed was just the other parts of AFFC that he had to cut out for times sake. AFFC and ADWD are one book as we all know so how could it possibly have it taking so long for ADWD? This is why I'm skeptical about getting TWOW anytime soon, especially since he said he cut a lot of parts out of ADWD to put in TWOW. I've heard that before.
This is all I can think about after listening to Lord of Light:
Morrigan Stark
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You guys are whining when you actually read AFFC and ADWD back to back?
I read A Storm of Swords in 2000. I waited five years for Feast. And then six more years for Dance.
I've basically been waiting 15 years now for Tyrion to meet Dany, and it still hasn't happened.
I read A Storm of Swords in 2000. I waited five years for Feast. And then six more years for Dance.
I've basically been waiting 15 years now for Tyrion to meet Dany, and it still hasn't happened.
PHOENIXZERO
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Yeah, every time I see strictly show watchers bemoan about the nine month gap between season I feel the need to remind them about how long book readers have had to wait. If I really want to get a rude reply back I suggest they actually read the books.
Heh, too bad they didn't use the line in the show... <.< >.>
You guys are whining when you actually read AFFC and ADWD back to back?
I read A Storm of Swords in 2000. I waited five years for Feast. And then six more years for Dance.
I've basically been waiting 15 years now for Tyrion to meet Dany, and it still hasn't happened.
You'll see it in the show in a few months
Morrigan Stark
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Nah, not watching S5.You'll see it in the show in a few months
Isn't that spoilerish as fuck?
This is not the books you won't have to wait that long.
Are you going offline as well? Cause you're going to get spoiled no matter what.
biosnake20
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I feel bad for people that are going to stop watching because they'll probably get spoiled anyway.
Morrigan Stark
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Oops lol
I'm not on social media, so my chances are not too bad I think.
I wish you the best of luck Morrigan! These threads were made brighter by your presence.
Pretty much, the show is huge. They may be able to escape smaller spoilers but if something big happens it will be everywhere. Let's say Tyrion hets eaten by a dragon, the internet will explode immediately.
"The TV thread sends its regards"
Aw, that's a pity
I find the show very fun if you just see it as a "what if" of sorts.
Aw, that's a pity
I find the show very fun if you just see it as a "what if" of sorts.
What If George finished the books.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
"What if" indeed.
Atraveller
Banned
Going media blackout on GoT...I can see future threads being very problematic for you, good luck!
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