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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread
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oh nice.
Everything looks soo good. This has become the most insanely produced series ever.
Can Not wait.
eot
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They need to bunch up the characters, can't have them too spread out. That's what bothers me, not that they're changing stuff but that the changes are motivated by the practicalities of filming and producing a show. To make an analogy to games, it's like when a story constantly gets re-written to fit a game instead of building a game that fits the story. I'll be curious to see if they can make all these dramatic changes and not completely gut the internal consistency of the story.
I've never been able to buy the Stannis theory because it just seems like such a radical departure from his typical MO. Deceit and subterfuge are something he'll resort to against his enemies, but against his ally? I think he'd be much more likely to be his typical, blunt self. "Snow, your King orders you to release 5000 wildlings to my command. Send them to the village so-and-so miles west of Winterfell. Signed, the one true king. PS obey or I'll have your head, dammit". Plus, the letter is super reckless if it is Stannis. Stannis has negotiated with Jon before, he knows how seriously he takes his vows to the Watch. He knows that he's refused him direct aid before, and he seems to particularly respect Jon for that very fact. He has to know that there's a possibility that Jon will refuse him again. He has to know that there's a possibility that Jon, believing Stannis defeated, really would capitulate to the Boltons in order to preserve the Watch. And in that case, why would he include the demand that Jon deliver Shireen and Selyse and Mel to Winterfell, when there's a chance he may actually do it? What happens if he gets to Winterfell and instead of finding and army waiting for him he finds his wife and daughter in chains?
I think the linguistic quirks of the letter are much likely to be some combination of us overthinking things in order to find a conspiracy, and Martin not having as clearly defined linguistic categories as we'd like to think. Maybe the reason we've never heard anyone besides wildling use the term "crow" before, is because we've never seen a non-wildling trying quite so hard to taunt the Watch as this before. The term "wildling princess" may make sense to any Westerosi noble, not just Stannis' men.
I think the linguistic quirks of the letter are much likely to be some combination of us overthinking things in order to find a conspiracy, and Martin not having as clearly defined linguistic categories as we'd like to think. Maybe the reason we've never heard anyone besides wildling use the term "crow" before, is because we've never seen a non-wildling trying quite so hard to taunt the Watch as this before. The term "wildling princess" may make sense to any Westerosi noble, not just Stannis' men.
1. Emblems in the middle either must be sellswords or wildling forces. The way they're lined up definitely makes them look like they're supplementing Stannis' men. The emblem is more fitting of sellswords, and that would better fit if they're following the book plot where he doesn't get the wildlings. I'm interested in how there seems to be a Bolton unit that's gotten to the other side of him. I don't know what that's about.
2. Loras has definitely been arrested. Cersei probably outed him to cancel her engagement to him and to damage the Tyrells. Turning Cersei's alliance with the Faith into an anti-gay witch hunt kind of makes sense. That's something that would strike modern viewers as morally repugnant, but plausible. The whole investigation into Margaery's virginity may strike people as just weird.
3. Best guess is the squiggly one is a Weirwood carving.
4. It's definitely in Volantis. Note that the men in the back are wearing a style we haven't seen before in Braavos, Pentos, or Slaver's Bay and the slaves have tattoos under their eyes. Probably a Red Priestess, so Tyrion can see how Dany's legend is spreading among slaves in Volantis and merging with the Red Faith, like with Benerro and Moqorro in the books.
She's either followed Sansa all the way up in the North, or she's taking Jaime's scene from the end of Dance where he sees the first snow in the South at Riverrun. She could go to sleep in the Riverlands and wake up to find that it's all been covered in snow overnight. I'm leaning towards that, since it doesn't look like she and Pod have prepared for cold weather, like you'd expect if they actually travelled North.
Steelyuhas
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I noticed that footage seems to line up with what you had posted, very excited for that, sounds awesome.
Or the bad weather starts coming south...
eot
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edit: oh you were talking about the one after. I read the men in the back as "the men in black"
I think that's king's landing, and the guys in black are sparrows. They're shown wearing those robes in other shots and the tatoo(?) looks like the seven pointed star.
What's they're smashing are statues of the Baratheon sigil:
Isn't the actress for Nym also asian?
I actually hope they don't
. Either way looks like Jonathan Pryce will own that role, very excited for him this season.
make the sparrows overtly homophobic, their issues over sexuality was done really subtly (shaming cersie) in the books without making them like typical modern day religious types
What exactly is the religious stand against homosexuality?
Considering the High Sparrow is a religious fanatic why wouldn't we expect a extreme reaction to Loras's misdeeds.
higgsboson1997
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Bran isn't in this season. It has been confirmed.
DKehoe
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Dunk and Egg seems such a perfect fit for a movie series. I really hope that happens. A Blackfyre rebellion(s) TV show would be great too.
edit: oh you were talking about the one after. I read the men in the back as "the men in black"
I think that's king's landing, and the guys in black are sparrows. They're shown wearing those robes in other shots and the tatoo(?) looks like the seven pointed star.
What's they're smashing are statues of the Baratheon sigil:
I think they're religious idles, not Stannis emblems. They're just the generic fiery heart for R'hllor. The other items on the table looks like they include the black goat, which is another foreign religion. I think the Sparrows are stamping out any signs of foreign religion.
Moff
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they will make that huge and very bluntly, as usual. and I approve of it. with all the anti gay BS that is is still rooted in our society, I can't wait to see how they demonize anti gay religious hatemongers.
Especially if the show later shows the Seven aren't really gods and the religion is full of shit.
I suppose I just wouldn't want him reduced to a typical hate preacher type.
I think you're going to have that degree of bigotry, but combined with a sort of concern about poverty that you don't see in our modern hatemongers. It's a real sort of populism. Genuine concern for the poor masses, coupled with genuine disdain for the people those masses fear and dislike, like gays and foreigners.
biosnake20
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I wish there was a higher res version of this pic. I see some people that could be northern lords.
I wish there was a higher res version of this pic. I see some people that could be northern lords.
This is about the clearest I can get of the group in the back without motion blur covering them, and before they are covered by foreground actors:
I wish there was a higher res version of this pic. I see some people that could be northern lords.
Yeah, it's too out of focus, and too much of the center of the group is obscured by Sansa and the Vale riders. No one recognizable in the group. But for a short like that with them in the background, wouldn't they probably be using doubles for any main actors anyway?
It definitely does not match the earlier screen of the Boltons lined up waiting for someone though, which is weird. They were lined up with soldiers, who aren't present here.
When I look at this image:
I think... WHAT'S THAT BUZZ, TELL ME WHAT'S A-HAPPENING, WHAT'S THAT BUZZ, TELL ME WHAT'S A-HAPPENING...
I think she might be a Red Priest, and I'm also pretty sure that is Volantis notice the slave marking on the face of some of the people.
I meant apart from her.
il Diavolo
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That trailer was so fucking good. Jonathan Pryce looks like he's going to kill it as High Sparrow.
He sure is.
Lactose_Intolerant
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Change it to NeoGriff in support of characters that didn't make the transition to tv.
badcrumble
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Don't worry, he'll totally turn out to be Howland Reed.
biosnake20
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Or fNeoGiff
I actually misread his username as NeoGriff half the time already.
So do I.
RatskyWatsky
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Same here!
One of us should change to fNeoGiff once he changes names and start posting links to our fake GoT news tumblr.
RIP Self-Aware Showjen.
Holy shit. Now I can't change my name.
Just rob my news and post it on WiC.
Anyway, I was thinking more about the Sansa in Winterfell thing. Now, I don't personally believe that she'll be taking of fArya's role, and here's a thought to support that. The show has gone to great lengths to inform the viewer that Sansa takes after Cat, especially in looks. Roose has just spent a year in the company of Robb and oftentimes Cat... there's in way he wouldn't know or at least suspect it's Sansa, regardless of whether he personally saw her in the past or not. The Roose is loose, and he's no fool.
Holy shit. Now I can't change my name.
Just rob my news and post it on WiC.
Anyway, I was thinking more about the Sansa in Winterfell thing. Now, I don't personally believe that she'll be taking of fArya's role, and here's a thought to support that. The show has gone to great lengths to inform the viewer that Sansa takes after Cat, especially in looks. Roose has just spent a year in the company of Robb and oftentimes Cat... there's in way he wouldn't know or at least suspect it's Sansa, regardless of whether he personally saw her in the past or not. The Roose is loose, and he's no fool.
ZING!
My thoughts on the Sansa situation is that she's taking fArya's role without being fArya. She's still playing the part of Baelish's niece, and is marrying Ramsay to make a Vale-North alliance. That saves the show the hassle of having to explain that the legal complexities behind the fArya scheme from the book, while also dodging the plot holes that arise from having Sansa as herself while supposedly hiding from Cersei. Roose and Sansa have never been on screen together, and she has the chameleon-like disguise of brown hair now, so I think the show is happy to assume he doesn't recognize her. I mean, Tywin never put together the situation with Arya, despite the obvious clues, so why should Roose? Theon will be the only one who recognizes her. At least until she maybe reveals herself to some of the other lords.
badcrumble
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If Theon recognized her he'd betray her to Ramsay. That much is extremely clear by the way he handled it when his sister came to rescue him.
I can buy Sansa being hidden at Winterfell. I cannot buy the idea of Sansa taking fArya's role in the story directly (or even having her be prominently visible at Winterfell whatsoever) because:
(1) if she's not supposed to be masquerading as Arya, there's no way the Boltons or at least Theon wouldn't recognize her, not to mention the other Northern lords, and then the jig would be up.
(2) if she's supposed to be there as herself, Littlefinger has immediately outed himself as an enemy of the Lannisters and as a possible conspirator in the plot to kill Joffrey, which I don't think he's at all ready to do yet.
But I could see Littlefinger being present there and keeping Sansa largely hidden in his chambers.
Holy shit. Now I can't change my name.
Just rob my news and post it on WiC.
Anyway, I was thinking more about the Sansa in Winterfell thing. Now, I don't personally believe that she'll be taking of fArya's role, and here's a thought to support that. The show has gone to great lengths to inform the viewer that Sansa takes after Cat, especially in looks. Roose has just spent a year in the company of Robb and oftentimes Cat... there's in way he wouldn't know or at least suspect it's Sansa, regardless of whether he personally saw her in the past or not. The Roose is loose, and he's no fool.
That's the beauty of this storyline. We really have no idea which way the writers are gonna play this. Bring on the uncertainty!!
badcrumble
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The good thing about this storyline is that it's pretty clearly going to zoom forward into TWOW territory. I expect a lot of dead Boltons, Freys, and Karstarks by season's end. And (for that reason) I think the Battle of Winterfell is a pretty strong likelihood (though I think the Battle of Meereen will get saved for early season 6).
Sansa is definitely at Winterfell prominently, seeing as she's at the head of the column of Vale soldiers entering the Winterfell gates, right next to Littlefinger. I think you can make out her braid in screens of that scene in the trailer.
eot
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Theon is the only one who we can say for certain would recognise her. That's around the time his streak as reek starts coming to an end though and they could very well write it so that him seeing Sansa is part of what brings him back to being Theon. That said, I think it'll be hard for the writers to come up with any plausible explanation for why she's going there. She's Littlefinger's ace in the hole, too valuable to be wed to Ramsey fucking Snow or to be shown outside the Vale at all.
It gets crazier if you posit that those Vale knights will play the role of the Manderlys and fight from within, because then you're putting her in a place that you know will be dangerous as hell.
It gets crazier if you posit that those Vale knights will play the role of the Manderlys and fight from within, because then you're putting her in a place that you know will be dangerous as hell.
Lactose_Intolerant
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I hope we get Bran talking through the tree. I know he didn't have anything filmed but that doesn't mean he could record something. I believe!
badcrumble
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Huh. In that case I think it's safest to say that a lot of the Winterfell stuff is basically getting a total rewrite. It's gonna be interesting (and hopefully really suspenseful). I'd love to see Sansa play the Boltons, but Ramsay's fucking deadly and Roose isn't exactly easily deceived.
lastplayed
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/67210913/game-of-thrones-comes-a-little-early
Not sure if this is old news, but damn, don't think I've ever seen an American show "live" with everyone else before.
Not sure if this is old news, but damn, don't think I've ever seen an American show "live" with everyone else before.
Yeah it's a good move.
But fuck me for living on the island where most of the show is actually filmed, I guess. It's so dumb that Ireland and the UK can't avail of this.
Wait, 170 countries and the UK and Ireland aren't included?
If it's any consolation, I'll probably end up watching it close to Irish time when the stream quality on HBOGo finally gets up above 240p.
Nope. Ridiculous, isn't it?
Lol. Is it really that bad? I've never had the displeasure of suffering through it. And does it constantly buffer? I wouldn't even start watching it if I knew that was going to happen!
Last year it generally took about an hour for the app to stop crashing. After that you could watch, and sometimes it would be fine, but other times five minutes in you're suddenly buffering or your quality drops to nothing. I've pretty much shifted strategies to just not watching until like an hour before I go to bed on Sunday nights. And staying up much later than I should on Sundays, just to be sure.
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