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Dany sends Daario away to retake Yunkai (I think) so the theory is that because he's actually Euron, he goes back to the Iron Isles instead of Yunkai. He then sends Victarion to go bring Dany to him. (It's not actually confirmed that he actually IS Euron, though).

We don't know if they're adding Victarion, Euron, or the dragon horn, but I imaging that they will.

awesome thank you so much!

 

[Showaddy]

I always laughed the Daario=Euron theories but show Daario running off with 93 ships just before the Ironborn arc is about to start...

 

[Valhelm]

Michiel Huisman in an eyepatch. The fanbase will explode.

 

[Speevy]

Does that line make (I am you writ small) sense for show Tyrion though?

 

[Speevy]

You see a man looking down in the corner of a boat.

"What are you afraid of?", he says with an devilish arrogance.

"They're just dogs." Daario smiles, revealing the eyepatch he had previously left off during his time in Meereen.

 

[Loke13]

I wonder how they're going to bring Jon's parentage back into the forefront on the show. It's kind of forgotten. To show watchers he is Ned's bastard and nothing more. They've forgotten about it.

Is a character going to just be like "hey...so who were your parents again"? Or maybe Melisandre will vaguely discuss it.

Are you kidding? Did you miss the whole discussion of "Whos's Jon's mom?" at the beginning of the season over in the non-book thread? Trust me the more attentive fans realize that Ned never got around to revealing who Jon's mother was.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Are you kidding? Did you miss the whole discussion of "Whos's Jon's mom?" at the beginning of the season over in the non-book thread? Trust me the more attentive fans realize that Ned never got around to revealing who Jon's mother was.

I think the more attentive fans like the ones here are the minority though. Maybe not I don't know.

 

[Loke13]

I think the more attentive fans like the ones here are the minority though. Maybe not I don't know.

Sadly that's probably true.

 

[Speevy]

Well if Jon were a lot less boring people would REALLY care about his parents.

 

[Loke13]

Well if Jon were a lot less boring people would REALLY care about his parents.

But Jon's been taking charge since this season began especially after leading the charge at the end of this episode not to mention him becoming LC soon I don't think boring really applies to him anymore.

I always laughed the Daario=Euron theories but show Daario running off with 93 ships just before the Ironborn arc is about to start...

I don't get it what do the ships have to do with anything?

 

[M.Bluth]

Are you kidding? Did you miss the whole discussion of "Whos's Jon's mom?" at the beginning of the season over in the non-book thread? Trust me the more attentive fans realize that Ned never got around to revealing who Jon's mother was.

And if the showrunners want, they can remind viewers about it when they deal with Jon's choice about accepting Stannis' offer to legitimize him.

Anyway, regarding Stonheart.
Hearing Beric's voice in the preview makes me think about them showing Cat's revival instead of the Frey hanging scene.

 

[Iksenpets]

I just checked, and Michiel Huisman is 36 years younger than the guy who plays Balon. If Euraario is real, that would be the weirdest age gap between siblings on the show outside of Sandor being negative twenty years younger than his older brother.

But I guess warlock magic can probably explain that away, too.

 

[Loke13]

And if the showrunners want, they can remind viewers about it when they deal with Jon's choice about accepting Stannis' offer to legitimize him.

Anyway, regarding Stonheart.
Hearing Beric's voice in the preview makes me think about them showing Cat's revival instead of the Frey hanging scene.

When did that happen?

 

[Speevy]

Am I the only person who finds the way Jon Snow fights odd? He clearly knows how, but he comes off like the luckiest guy with the sword, just leaping through the air and praying he hits someone.

 

[DrForester]

Well if Jon were a lot less boring people would REALLY care about his parents.

I think Jon's character comes a lot from Book readers having a good idea who he is. Something the show watchers lack.

 

[Loke13]

Am I the only person who finds the way Jon Snow fights odd? He clearly knows how, but he comes off like the luckiest guy with the sword, just leaping through the air and praying he hits someone.

I thought his fight with Magnar was the best one the show has done yet I felt like one misstep and Jon loses a head lol that guy was intimidating as hell.

 

[dubq]

But the Baratheons won, so he isn't really rightful to anything anymore.

As said it's open to interpretation. There is some weight, however, in that the Targaryen's were the ones who united the 7 kingdoms in the first place and thus established a single kingdom, so Targaryen's have more "claim" as the "true" rulers of the realm. Whether or not that is only in their own minds or the minds of the citizens is another matter.

 

[Speevy]

I thought his fight with Magnar was the best one the show has done yet I felt like one misstep and Jon loses a head lol that guy was intimidating as hell.

Well aside from Jon Snow taking a blow to the head that would have caused a serious head injury, I concur.

 

[Lonestar]

And if the showrunners want, they can remind viewers about it when they deal with Jon's choice about accepting Stannis' offer to legitimize him.

Anyway, regarding Stonheart.
Hearing Beric's voice in the preview makes me think about them showing Cat's revival instead of the Frey hanging scene.

is that the one that says "the dead can't hear us"?

Can't place that voice.

 

[PFD]

Just rewatched ep 8 and 9 in anticipation of the finale. One thing that really bothered me about Ygritte's death is the removal of many key lines from that conversation. The lines about the castle, and more importantly, Jon reassuring her that she will survive, that they can still patch her up. Without that line, her 'you know nothing' sounds really forced at the end and makes no sense.

 

[Speevy]

Just rewatched ep 8 and 9 in anticipation of the finale. One thing that really bothered me about Ygritte's death is the removal of many key lines from that conversation. The lines about the castle, and more importantly, Jon reassuring her that she will survive, that they can still patch her up. Without that line, her 'you know nothing' sounds really forced at the end and makes no sense.

Them saying anything to each other in that battle makes no sense. It should have happened elsewhere or not at all.

 

[Loke13]

is that the one that says "the dead can't hear us"?

Can't place that voice.

It's Tormund.

 

[Brakke]

I always laughed the Daario=Euron theories but show Daario running off with 93 ships just before the Ironborn arc is about to start...

I'm going to be so peeved if this comes true. It'd read like such retcon nonsense in the books.

At least if the show knows, they can pace it out and make it work.

 

[PantherLotus]

Agreed that Ygrettes death needed a touch more something. Her blurting out you no nuffin Jon snuuh just felt weird there. I don't know that it makes sense for Jon to try ans console her either, though.

 

[PFD]

I always laughed the Daario=Euron theories but show Daario running off with 93 ships just before the Ironborn arc is about to start...

All that means is they're cutting the entire ironborn arc. Gotta trim dat fat

 

[A-V-B]

is that the one that says "the dead can't hear us"?

Can't place that voice.

Coulda sworn that was Mance.

 

[Valhelm]

I just checked, and Michiel Huisman is 36 years younger than the guy who plays Balon. If Euraario is real, that would be the weirdest age gap between siblings on the show outside of Sandor being negative twenty years younger than his older brother.

But I guess warlock magic can probably explain that away, too.

Euron is significantly younger than Balon. In the books, Balon is probably about fifty. We know that he was married at seventeen, and his oldest sons were in their teens during his first rebellion. During that same time, his brother Aeron was around the same age. As Quellon Greyjoy had several consecutive wives, it's very likely than Balon and his older siblings were from wife number one. After she died past childbearing age, Quellon Greyjoy married a younger woman, who had Victarion, Euron, and Aeron.

 

[RedShift]

Thought of the night.

What if Stannis is on gurners?

Hence the teeth grinding. He's just fucking mashed all the time.

Think about it.

 

[Lonestar]

Coulda sworn that was Mance.

Definitely not Mance, as his voice immediately follows, and it's different (deeper). Could be Tormund, as before mentioned.

 

[Loke13]

Euron is significantly younger than Balon. In the books, Balon is probably about fifty. We know that he was married at seventeen, and his oldest sons were in their teens during his first rebellion. During that same time, his brother Aeron was around the same age. As Quellon Greyjoy had several consecutive wives, it's very likely than Balon and his older siblings were from wife number one. After she died past childbearing age, Quellon Greyjoy married a younger woman, who had Victarion, Euron, and Aeron.

Or a Valyrian swamp witch cursed Euron with eternal youth!!

 

[duckroll]

Agreed that Ygrettes death needed a touch more something. Her blurting out you no nuffin Jon snuuh just felt weird there. I don't know that it makes sense for Jon to try ans console her either, though.

What it needed was for me to give a shit about their relationship. That's not something you can fix at the point of death. I don't think the show has handled Jon Snow's character arc all that well, and that's just another consequence of it. Scenes won't be as powerful if people aren't as invested in the characters.

 

[Iksenpets]

Or a Valyrian swamp witch cursed Euron with eternal youth!!

What if one day when Euron's men were painting his ship in sacrificial blood to achieve warplock speeds, one of them accidentally knocked a bucket of it onto Euron, thus inadvertently performing youthfulness magic?

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I don't think the show has handled Jon Snow's character arc all that well

Understatement of the thread.

 

[Steelyuhas]

is that the one that says "the dead can't hear us"?

Can't place that voice.

"The dead can't hear us" is definitely Tormund.

 

[Loke13]

Understatement of the thread.

What exacly have they mishandled anyway? I mean season 1 was largely faithful to his arc and other than the Halfhand stuff is Season 2 his arc then was also pretty faithful to the books anything in Season 3 and 4 has been largely based on ASOS.

 

[toddhunter]

My only (non acting/fighting) problem with Jon is the most recent scene.

Why couldn't he have been sent on the suicide mission? It would have added some drama/urgency to it and helped setup future events. Otherwise it just fell flat.

Oh and having Gareth be a wildling was pretty off-putting.

 

[Iksenpets]

My only (non acting/fighting) problem with Jon is the most recent scene.

Why couldn't he have been sent on the suicide mission? It would have added some drama/urgency to it and helped setup future events. Otherwise it just fell flat.

Oh and having Gareth be a wildling was pretty off-putting.

Guess: No suicide mission because they're trying to do a partial redemption of Alisser so that he can take over Bowen's role next season. The suicide mission would've pushed him too far back into asshole territory.

Jon's problem is that they haven't really been able to explore any of his conflict or relationships because of lack of time. There was too little Halfhand stuff, so there was no relationship there and we never got to see the way the two of them explore his feelings towards his loyalty to the Watch and his jealousy towards Robb. Then when he's with the Wildlings they need all the time they have to make his relationship with Ygritte remotely believable, so his relationships with Mance and Tormund never develop, and we never really see Jon's attraction to the Wildling lifestyle and how that tests his loyalty to the Watch.

 

[toddhunter]

Fair points and I think Mance is central to that. If he had been a charismatic character, they could have short cut a lot of that as somebody you would want to believe in or fight for.

To date he has just been a non-event.

 

[Loke13]

Guess: No suicide mission because they're trying to do a partial redemption of Alisser so that he can take over Bowen's role next season. The suicide mission would've pushed him too far back into asshole territory.

Jon's problem is that they haven't really been able to explore any of his conflict or relationships because of lack of time. There was too little Halfhand stuff, so there was no relationship there and we never got to see the way the two of them explore his feelings towards his loyalty to the Watch and his jealousy towards Robb. Then when he's with the Wildlings they need all the time they have to make his relationship with Ygritte remotely believable, so his relationships with Mance and Tormund never develop, and we never really see Jon's attraction to the Wildling lifestyle and how that tests his loyalty to the Watch.

I agree on all your points. Honestly if the season was 12-13 episodes long we'd have more time to focus on the side characters and the like.

 

[Forkball]

Even though they haven't shown Mance this season, they've done an alright job building him up as a real threat. Jon mentions him constantly throughout this season, and that giant fire left an impression for sure.

I don't get the hate for Jon in the show or Kit Harrington. I think Harrington has certainly gotten a lot better in season three and four, though I didn't think he was bad at all in season one and two. I do wish they capped off the lord commander stuff this year, but we all know how barren in content books four and five are for Jon so they need something good for next season.

I think we can all agree that the biggest build up botch has been Tysha. All they had to do was mention her once or twice this season and it would've been alright, but so far NADA.

 

[Loke13]

Even though they haven't shown Mance this season, they've done an alright job building him up as a real threat. Jon mentions him constantly throughout this season, and that giant fire left an impression for sure.

I don't get the hate for Jon in the show or Kit Harrington. I think Harrington has certainly gotten a lot better in season three and four, though I didn't think he was bad at all in season one and two. I do wish they capped off the lord commander stuff this year, but we all know how barren in content books four and five are for Jon so they need something good for next season.

I think we can all agree that the biggest build up botch has been Tysha. All they had to do was mention her once or twice this season and it would've been alright, but so far NADA.

Kit has been nailing "LC" Jon Snow out of the park this season and it's something I've wanted to see since Season 1. As someone who quickly got tired of Kit in season 2 onwards I have to say he's been killing it this season.

 

[Kyougar]

I cant understand how some here really wish that book 4 and 5 will be completed season 5 when we have so much discussion how such and such charackter/scene/worldbuilding has too few scene. smh

 

[Forkball]

I cant understand how some here really wish that book 4 and 5 will be completed season 5 when we have so much discussion how such and such charackter/scene/worldbuilding has too few scene. smh

I've already planned out all the major events for next season.

Ep 1: Damphair declares no godless man may sit on the seastone chair
Ep 2: Godless man sits on the seastone chair
Ep 3: Victarion realizes Euron's gifts are poisoned, ACCEPTS EURON'S GIFTS
Ep 4: Darkstar declares that he is of the night
Ep 5: Fat pink mast
Ep 6: Myrish swamp
Ep 7: Tyrion contemplates on where whores go
Ep 8: Dany doesn't open the fighting pits
Ep 9: Quentin vs. two massive fire breathing magic dragons
Ep 10: Tyrion defeats Aegon at Cyvasse, who then invades Westeros

 

[Kain]

I'd be surprised if they casted Damphair as he is totally expendable.

I don't see Alliser fulfilling the role of Bowen because he already hates the guy. Bowen liked Jon (at least I remember he didn't hate him like Thorne), but they grew apart with Jon's decisions regardings the wildlings. Bowen had an internal struggle between following orders and doing what he thought was right, Alisser would had an internal struggle between following orders and looking for ways to kill the motherfucker. There would be no foreshadowing at all, it would be totally aparent from the moment Jon's elected Commander.

Unless that's the showrunners' intentions, of course.

 

[Steez]

"The dead can't hear us" is definitely Tormund.

I was just about to type that it's definitely Beric Dondarrion, lol.

 

[toddhunter]

I don't get the hate for Jon in the show or Kit Harrington.

I liked him in the books and I don't like him in the show, so something must be off with the whiny/heroic balance. Though season 4 has been much better.

I think we can all agree that the biggest build up botch has been Tysha. All they had to do was mention her once or twice this season and it would've been alright, but so far NADA.

Will they even go to the trouble of mentioning Tysha?

I'd be surprised if they casted Damphair as he is totally expendable.

They already had generic Iron Isles priest guy in the series, so I reckon they'll just stick with whoever that was. If they bother of course, I'm not even sure they'll kill Balon.

 

[Real Hero]

I'd be surprised if they casted Damphair as he is totally expendable.
.

How do you know that though? We have no idea what he's gunna do yet

 

[CassSept]

Ep 1: Damphair declares no godless man may sit on the seastone chair
Ep 2: Godless man sits on the seastone chair

 

[WrenchNinja]

I think Season 4 Jon has been done pretty well

 

[Kain]

How do you know that though? We have no idea what he's gunna do yet

If he actually does something, sometime, they can cast him then. Up until ADWD he only whines, drinks salt water and gets angry at everything.