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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread

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Real Hero

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To be fair about damphair, an unhinged religious type would probably translate well to tv. You don't really have to get in his head to see what he's about.
 
I always laughed the Daario=Euron theories but show Daario running off with 93 ships just before the Ironborn arc is about to start...

Except the timing makes no sense. Euron in the books was back in the Iron Islands a day after Balon died, which happened some time before the Red Wedding, so the theory is outright impossible unless Euron can teleport or travel through time. People just ignore the chronology and GRRM's foreward in AFFC and forget that the Ironborn chapters in there start in ASOS chronologically. It's strange that this particular crackpot theory has caught on here.
 

Kain

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*old-man-yells-at-cloud*

Exactly xD

Except the timing makes no sense. Euron in the books was back in the Iron Islands a day after Balon died, which happened some time before the Red Wedding, so the theory is outright impossible unless Euron can teleport or travel through time. People just ignore the chronology and GRRM's foreward in AFFC and forget/ignore that the Ironborn chapters in there start in ASOS chronologically. It's strange that this particular crackpot theory has caught on here.

But what if... what if... he could teleport?
 

Real Hero

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Except the timing makes no sense. Euron in the books was back in the Iron Islands a day after Balon died, which happened some time before the Red Wedding, so the theory is outright impossible unless Euron can teleport or travel through time. People just ignore the chronology and GRRM's foreward in AFFC and forget that the Ironborn chapters in there start in ASOS chronologically. It's strange that this particular crackpot theory has caught on here.
Yeah I don't get it. It wouldn't even be a good twist at all.
 
Except the timing makes no sense. Euron in the books was back in the Iron Islands a day after Balon died, which happened some time before the Red Wedding, so the theory is outright impossible unless Euron can teleport or travel through time. People just ignore the chronology and GRRM's foreward in AFFC and forget that the Ironborn chapters in there start in ASOS chronologically. It's strange that this particular crackpot theory has caught on here.

If you look at it that way, it doesn't make sense.

But look at it from the Ros, Talisa and even Arya perspective. If either Daario or Euron are scheduled to not do much in the series, then the role can easily be combined in the TV show. This lets them cut down on an actor/explanation/backstory/iron isles.

So if it makes sense, it makes sense. If that makes sense.
 
If you look at it that way, it doesn't make sense.

But look at it from the Ros, Talisa and even Arya perspective. If either Daario or Euron are scheduled to not do much in the series, then the role can easily be combined in the TV show. This lets them cut down on an actor/explanation/backstory/iron isles.

So if it makes sense, it makes sense. If that makes sense.

I haven't seen anyone arguing that it would be a change for the TV series. That's at least plausible, even if there is no evidence of it and it would be really strange and unnecessary.
 
Has anybody checked to see if any other "twists" have been entirely omitted/not alluded to in the "Previously..." recap? Honestly it's hard to think of an LSH equivalent in terms of "What the fuck?" unexpectedness.
 

Moff

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today is the day!
what I am looking foward to the most: Bloodraven
they will nail: Shae/Tywin
they will fail: Stannis
 

ebevan91

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today is the day!
what I am looking foward to the most: Bloodraven
they will nail: Shae/Tywin
they will fail: Stannis

I'm actually looking forward to Bloodraven and the Children of the Forest the most as well. Bran's storyline needs a boost.
 

Sotha Sil

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I've started a game on the Crusader Kings II GoT mod and it's pretty awesome. Can't believe I didn't try it out sooner. Didn't want to begin close to or during the war of the five kings, so I started a "Daemon Blackfyre and the Great Bastards actually team up and win the Iron Throne" alternate history. Given the dude has a dozen children already, the future civil wars should be fun. Thinking of starting a Let's Play thread, but it would basically be randomized fan fiction.

Can't believe how well-made this mod is; its features actually surpass the main game's.

(Oh and Team Stoneheart)
 
I've started a game on the Crusader Kings II GoT mod and it's pretty awesome. Can't believe I didn't try it out sooner. Didn't want to begin close to or during the war of the five kings, so I started a "Daemon Blackfyre and the Great Bastards actually team up and win the Iron Throne" alternate history. Given the dude has a dozen children already, the future civil wars should be fun. Thinking of starting a Let's Play thread, but it would basically be randomized fan fiction.

Can't believe how well-made this mod is; its features actually surpass the main game's.

(Oh and Team Stoneheart)

I've tried it a bunch and I can't say I like it much. The events are overly deterministic and inflexible (frustratingly so), and outside of that, it's a more barren and clunkier version of Crusader Kings 2. The base game just plays so much better.
 

Sotha Sil

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I've tried it a bunch and I can't say I like it much. The events are overly deterministic and inflexible, and outside of that, it's a more barren and clunkier version of Crusader Kings 2. The base game just plays so much better.

I don't know; I really love the base game, but I really like some of the new features (personal combat between lords during battles/trials, banishing people to the Wall, banning slavery in Essos, etc.). I didn't like playing during the events of the books and Robert's Rebellion, since the mechanics can't match the twists and turns of the plot. Really liking the Blackfyre playthrough though. I guess it's just a nice way to get to learn more about the landscape and history of Westeros.
 
I don't know; I really love the base game, but I really like some of the new features (personal combat between lords during battles/trials, banishing people to the Wall, banning slavery in Essos, etc.). I didn't like playing during the events of the books and Robert's Rebellion, since the mechanics can't match the twists and turns of the plot. Really liking the Blackfyre playthrough though. I guess it's just a nice way to get to learn more about the landscape and history of Westeros.

Here's my experience with it:

Game 1 : Played as Renly, automatically died without an option to change it via event choice.
Game 2: As King of the Rock against Aegon. Held my own and even slay a dragon, unknown event pops and forces me to surrender and lose war.
Game 3; Re-tried previous game, force a white peace. Events auto start wars every few years and the Targs seemingly have an infinite supply of dragons even if you kill them. Broken scenario.
Game 4: As Aegon, events force the pace of war and leave you no control. I quit after realizing it. Not that it was any fun playing with auto-win Dragons.
Game 5: Robb in ACOK, invade Westlands, some unknown event forces me to be at peace against Tywin, but not Iron Throne.
Game 6: Try again as Robb, this time Stannis wins, ending my war with the Lannisters and wiping out all my gains. Fun.
Game 7: As Stannis, took King's Landing, war is over and entire continent submits for some bizarre reason. 300 events for every single lord pop up and drive me insane.

There's more too. Something seemingly breaks every time I try to play it. It's clunky and the systems involving Westeros don't function correctly way too often. The mod tries to subvert and side step the game's base mechanics way too much and it doesn't work.
 

Famassu

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I'm looking forward to Stoneheart. Fuck y'all.

It will end with Bran going all tree on us and I will love it.
Bran won't have the time to do anything like that. He'll arrive at the place, be attacked and then they'll just meet the children of the forest and Bloodraven, they won't have enough time for Bran to do anything more than that. I don't see how they'd have time to do more than end with Bloodraven's introduction and he'll probably just say something like "Welcome, Bran Stark, I've been waiting for you", and then it'll fade to black or zoom out to show Bran with Bloodraven in the middle of the CotF for an epic (second to) last shot of the season (then Stoneheart reveal, plz).
 

Sotha Sil

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Here's my experience with it:

Damn, looks like I've been pretty lucky then. Gained the throne with Blackfyre in a few months (though it was a bit strange to see the Seven Kingdoms accept my rule quite happily), and it's been smooth sailing ever since. Daeron the Good has been sent to the Wall, and my good Bloodraven's been assassinating Targaryens left and right. I'll avoid more iconic events and eras then, thanks for the info!
 
Just rewatched ep 8 and 9 in anticipation of the finale. One thing that really bothered me about Ygritte's death is the removal of many key lines from that conversation. The lines about the castle, and more importantly, Jon reassuring her that she will survive, that they can still patch her up. Without that line, her 'you know nothing' sounds really forced at the end and makes no sense.

What makes it work in the book is that the battle is over. When he says, "The battle's done. Maester Aemon will see to you," he's holding on to false hope. Jon knows he can't help her during the battle in the show. There isn't time to reflect on castles or being kissed by fire.
 
By all means, don't share :p

don't want to be too specific because I don't want to draw attention when the person is not trying to draw attention. This is not the case of a troll going "I saw the episode and here it's how it goes" and you know they are attention seekers.

All I will say is that it was on Westeros.org
 

Emerson

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Bran won't have the time to do anything like that. He'll arrive at the place, be attacked and then they'll just meet the children of the forest and Bloodraven, they won't have enough time for Bran to do anything more than that. I don't see how they'd have time to do more than end with Bloodraven's introduction and he'll probably just say something like "Welcome, Bran Stark, I've been waiting for you", and then it'll fade to black or zoom out to show Bran with Bloodraven in the middle of the CotF for an epic (second to) last shot of the season (then Stoneheart reveal, plz).

I've been thinking it would end with the "no, but you will fly" line.
 

Famassu

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I've been thinking it would end with the "no, but you will fly" line.
That would actually be good point to end it, but that would probably require a longer scene between Bran and Bloodraven and I'm not sure if they'll (have the time to) do that or leave it at the introduction for maximum mystery to show watchers.
 

Emerson

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That would actually be good point to end it, but that would probably require a longer scene between Bran and Bloodraven and I'm not sure if they'll (have the time to) do that or leave it at the introduction for maximum mystery to show watchers.

To be fair I'm not entirely remembering the order of that part in the book, but I think they could do it without much time. All it would take is Bloodraven's introduction, Bran learning what this guy is, and asking him if he would ever walk again.
 

Famassu

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To be fair I'm not entirely remembering the order of that part in the book, but I think they could do it without much time. All it would take is Bloodraven's introduction, Bran learning what this guy is, and asking him if he would ever walk again.
I don't remember it all too well either, it'll probably come down to if the showrunners want to give a bit of a hint as to what kind of plans he'll have for Bran that watchers can speculate about or if they'll just leave it at the introduction, leaving Bloodraven's nature as more of a mystery.
 
Season Finale: The Children

In the Season 4 finale, Daenerys must face harsh realities; Bran learns more about his destiny; Tyrion sees the truth of his situation; and circumstances north of the Wall are altered by an unexpected arrival.


Programming note: Tonight's episode runs long, slotted in a 70 minute time slot (actual run time is listed at 66 minutes). Adjust your DVRs and watching schedules accordingly.
 

A-V-B

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Holy shit what if they've listed it as 66 minutes the whole time but there are four secret bonus minutes (insane hopeful theorizing)
 

RaidenZR

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Am I the only person who finds the way Jon Snow fights odd? He clearly knows how, but he comes off like the luckiest guy with the sword, just leaping through the air and praying he hits someone.

I've joked to friends that on the show he's the JarJar Binks of Game of Thrones. He's constantly in horrible, near-death situations that should have dire consequences and yet he fumbly manages to make it out alive or save the day each time.
 
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