BreezyLimbo
Banned
That's true
Tarly cares more that his women won't be attacked by those savage dothraki than he does about some old hag who wanted to help them.
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That's true
Tarly cares more that his women won't be attacked by those savage dothraki than he does about some old hag who wanted to help them.
The Artisan
Member
Dany wouldn't let them do that and I think Olenna being on her side would work in that favor.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
you sure about that
you reallllly sure dany would be able to leash her dothraki, that they would all be good poster boys
That was just a tragic accident and Cersei was just lucky to be late for her trial.
It's so weird how Cersei claims it was an accident, when one episode earlier Hot Pie tells Arya that 'everyone knows' that Cersei blew it up.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Well everyone knows that Jamie fucks his sister and nobody does anything
it's just one of those things.
Interestingly, that's never mentioned when trying to recruit people for his cause as well. You'd think he would mention it to Dany or that maybe Dany heard it from Melisandre, but nope. Why is no one acknowledging this actual miracle happening?
It's not like he doesn't have proof or anything, he has around 30 stab wounds on his body.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
because they'll look at him funny
Dany will probably be offended that Jon DARE be special in the presence of the breaker of plot, and behead him then and there.
I don't think it's weird. I think it is one of the few interesting characterizations of Cersei left in the show which isn't dumb. She has always been in denial all her life. She fears her own shadow and is very paranoid and insecure. So when she does something like this, even if everyone knows it is her, and it is totally brazen, she won't say she did. She won't admit she did it. She can't. It has to be the way she imagines it - an amazing plan where it looks like a tragic accident and she is the rightful queen. Not an usurper.
curiouscharles
Member
sorry, totally off-topic / totally tangential here, but it's "a usurper" not "an usurper".
i know we're told "a followed by a word starting with a vowel turns into an", but this is a classic example of one of the exceptions to this rule [regardless of origin of the English you speak].
seen this three times on GAF this week, needs to freaking stop [hurts my brain trying to say these mistakes in my head].
*for example, you'd never say "an university", or "an uniform"
**but you WOULD say "an uncle" - which is because "uncle" is a monopthong [single sound vowel], whereas "university" or "usurper" begin with the "ew" or dipthong [two sound vowel] version of the vowel.
#themoreyouknow
Davos did mention it. And he was immediately side-eyed by Jon. And both Dany/Tyrion noticed it.
You know, it's funny because I actually thought that while typing it because it sounded wrong, but I figured no one would care. I was wrong. I should have thought harder before hitting Submit Reply.
Exactly. Plus, in the first few episodes this year, Jon is still effectively acting as Lord Commander anyways.
Thanks for this.
But it's still less annoying than could of/would of/should of.
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Deleted member 30609
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i say oo-surper so duckroll is kind of right to me
ClosingADoor
Member
"I want you to help me defeat the dead, who have risen again. Btw, I was also dead and have risen again."
Not a good sales pitch.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Ollena told Jamie that she killed Joffery. Do you think that will absolve Tyrion of that particular crime in Jamie's eyes?
If so, with this fact in mind, along with the potential future Cersi/Euron romance, will it FINALLY bring Jamie back to where his plot and character is at in the novels?
The latest episode didnt show much of a reaction to Ollena's confession, other than anger. It didnt show confusion on Jamie's part, it feels kind of like a failure of writing to not explore this confession further.
For example, why did Jamie not ask if his brother and Sansa helped her kill his son?
Jamie always was the only one that trutly loved his brother, and was the only one who could challenge his love for Cersi and he would/could take sides over of her, as he did with helping Tyrion escape from his cell.
Would it not be a big deal to him that his brother was actually innocent all along?
That it would mean he did in fact not lose all of his family forever (again losing Cersi to Euron) and has a chance to repair his relationship with Tyrion and right the wrongs of Cerci?
I absolutely beleive that Ollena would havwtold him the truth in that moment. She had nothing to lose and wanted to hurt Jamie as well as she could. Telling Jamie that he aspires to kill his brother for essentially being framed could ruin him.
It boggles the mind as why Jamie didnt ask for more information where it was extremely relevant to the war,and to his family.
If so, with this fact in mind, along with the potential future Cersi/Euron romance, will it FINALLY bring Jamie back to where his plot and character is at in the novels?
The latest episode didnt show much of a reaction to Ollena's confession, other than anger. It didnt show confusion on Jamie's part, it feels kind of like a failure of writing to not explore this confession further.
For example, why did Jamie not ask if his brother and Sansa helped her kill his son?
Jamie always was the only one that trutly loved his brother, and was the only one who could challenge his love for Cersi and he would/could take sides over of her, as he did with helping Tyrion escape from his cell.
Would it not be a big deal to him that his brother was actually innocent all along?
That it would mean he did in fact not lose all of his family forever (again losing Cersi to Euron) and has a chance to repair his relationship with Tyrion and right the wrongs of Cerci?
I absolutely beleive that Ollena would havwtold him the truth in that moment. She had nothing to lose and wanted to hurt Jamie as well as she could. Telling Jamie that he aspires to kill his brother for essentially being framed could ruin him.
It boggles the mind as why Jamie didnt ask for more information where it was extremely relevant to the war,and to his family.
I forgot about that. That was a good indicator that he would switch sides for the Dothraki who are even more foreign than the wildlings.
He didn't need to. I think Olenna admitting she did it made it clear to him that Tyrion and Sansa weren't involved, and Tyrion was telling him the truth.
SporeCrawler
Member
even if it was an accident why would she be queen? wouldnt gendry have a stronger claim?
Okay,so if Jamie did indeed take Ollena's confession as an admission of Tyrion's and Sansa's innocence, do you think that Jamie will still want to kill Tyrion for Cersi, knowing that Tyrion was innocent all along?
His love for Tyrion and vis versa was the only genuinely healthy relationship both had ever had. With Cersi and Euron potentially starting a romance that puts a dent in the very last relationship he still has with his family
Will he now tell Cersi, and will her obvious insistence that Olenna was lying make him finally realize that she is insane and unhealthy for him and allow him to become more recgonizable as the character we observe in the novels?
If the show doesn't explore Ollena's confession further, I would personally feel that it would be a huge failure on part of the plot by the writers. Why write to make Ollena confess if there are no consequences to develop Jamie's character and plot in response to such a huge revelation?
I was under the impression he knew it wasn't Tyrion (everyone hated the kid), hence him helping the escape. It was the murder of Tywin he hates Tyrion for, which Jamie can't forgive, since he actually loved his father in some way.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
lol I totally agree with this. The longer this secret has been and is being kept under wraps the less effective the actual reveal is becoming. They really need to get it out of the way in the first half here.
Jon can prove he's Targ by not getting roasted/eaten by Dany's dragons. Especially if he ends up riding around on one by the end of the segment.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Is Gendry ever coming back on this show? What was he doing last time we saw him? That must've been, what, season 3? 4?
I was under the impression that Tywin's murder by Tyrion changed Jamie's mind about who killed Joffery in retrospect, and now Jamie blames Tyrion for both deaths.
NekoFever
Member
It also reflects how real life oppressive regimes handle open secrets. Like in the Soviet Union people knew the government was full of shit and there were jokes about it, but no one would be too public in their criticism because you were liable to disappear if you did. I think it's entirely possible for the gossip around Westeros to be that Cersei blew it up but 'officially' she didn't.
Production Spoilers:
Yes, seen on set in a few scenes
Leaks:
He is making weapons in KL, he helps Davos and Tyrion smuggle something in / out and takes out some Gold Cloaks with a warhammer
It's just two scenes and my feeling is they did it to tie off that plotline.
It's just two scenes and my feeling is they did it to tie off that plotline.
We last saw him in S3 iirc, rowing to KL.
The Artisan
Member
Yeah I'm sure. The Ironborn were into a degenerate lifestyle too and Dany made them agree to cut that shit out.
She's shown the Dothraki she means business and they'll have to follow ALL her commands just as Jon forced all the northerners and wildlings to make peace despite many of them probably wanting to kill each other.
Yeah it kinda lessens the impact on the world. They've had the effect on the viewer but as time goes on, in the current events of Westeros this secret is becoming less and less vital/relevant.
I can see only Jon & Dany themselves reacting to it the most, Jon will be shocked to death but I think it will make Dany want to be closer to Jon and never let him go even more.
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
Oh that makes me mad. Wth is could of/would of anyway. How does it make any sense?
You think this would look silly?
What the...
Mads!? I never knew how much I wanted him on GoT until now. Even if that looks a bit ridiculous he would have sold the shit out of it and made Euron a fan favorite.
She is not going to stop the Dothraki from raping and pillaging.
I that's true, why didn't Tywin try to marry Cercei to Dickon instead of Loras? Surely marrying into the Tarlys and Tyrells (via Maergery) would have made the Lannisters nigh unstoppable, and they even aged Dickon up so it would be appropriate on the show.
None of the northern lords know he died, though. This is a major plot hole.
Somehow she was stopping the Greyjoys from raping and pillaging too.
Frankly, he got rid of Ramsey so I think they just don't give a fuck.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Dany needs to be with someone more...brooding. If ya know what I mean
The Artisan, brah, you seem pretty invested in this nephew/auntie relationship happening
Yes, the northerners are definitely shown as people who don't give a fuck about tradition or laws.
He represents the other threads obsession with shipping
Sure they care about traditions, but the fact that they hated the Boltons, and the fact that Jon is still a Stark in their eyes, outweigh it.
Moff
Member
not with D&D writing
Remember how Jon couldn't recruit any Northern houses to his cause? Seriously, re-watch it. He got zero. But now he's a Stark so he's their king? A bastard deserter? Sure thing. No plot holes at all. Right.
So he recruited zero houses (that was Sansa, Tormen, and Davos), didn't win the battle (Vale Knights), and isn't a true Stark (Sansa).
i don't think it would look totally out of place, we've had a guy with blue lips before on the show
i could see it falling apart quickly if jon's parentage becomes known. he would be a threat to dany's claim
Sansa, Davos, and Tormen recruited the three northern houses that went against the Boltons.
Wait, Tormen got the wildings. Sorry about that.
Look, I love to hate on the show for legitimate plot holes, but Jon being KitN is not one of those.
Hell last episode this very point was brought up that he was chosen because they believed in him, and lead the charge against Ramsey. He was the commander of the forces that defeated the Boltons, it only makes sense for them to name him KitN.
Everyone sitting on the sidelines then jumping board when it becomes crystal clear who the winner is and who is in charge isn't a plot hole. That's how things work in real life.